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dukiejay

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I think it’s safe to say that no matter what, Duke has clinched a #1 seed now. With a win over FSU, are we the #1 overall seed? I think so.

How about the other #1 seeds? Virginia for sure. Is Carolina one? I think they’re one of the four best teams right now, but their losses are still their losses...although, they did beat the Zags.

Speaking of Gonzaga....still on the top line? If UT or UK win the SECT they almost certainly get a one, correct?

There’s six teams in contention for #1 seeds. I think UVa and Duke are locks. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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I agree with the locks and if UT or UK won the conf tourney they deserve it (although neither are a top four team IMO) if they both were to lay an egg I think Carolina and Gonzaga
 
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HuffyJB

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If Duke wins tomorrow, they should be overall #1 and get those DC games. I would also love it if wherever Duke is for the opening two rounds, UNC is somewhere else.
 
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dukiejay said:
I would if this happened to us and I think it’s totally unfair that it could even be a thing, but it would be funny if UNC and UK both wound up in the South region.
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I think that's going to happen.

I actually think Carolina is more deserving of a 1 seed than Gonzaga but I think the Zags will end up with it.

And that'll suck for Carolina because they aren't beating Kentucky.

And yeah if we win tomorrow we'll be the overall #1. We actually might be regardless.
 
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Arlene

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dukiejay said:
I think it’s safe to say that no matter what, Duke has clinched a #1 seed now. With a win over FSU, are we the #1 overall seed? I think so.

How about the other #1 seeds? Virginia for sure. Is Carolina one? I think they’re one of the four best teams right now, but their losses are still their losses...although, they did beat the Zags.

Speaking of Gonzaga....still on the top line? If UT or UK win the SECT they almost certainly get a one, correct?

There’s six teams in contention for #1 seeds. I think UVa and Duke are locks. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Think if Duke wins the ACC Tournament then we are the #1 overall seed. UVA is the other option for the top 1 seed. Winner of UT/UK gets a spot likely if they win the SEC Tournament. Think Gonzaga gets the 4th 1 seed but could see MSU getting it if they win the BIG10 title. UNC and either Gonzaga or MSU are the top 2 seeds with loser of UK/UT game being the 3rd best 2 seed. Think Texas Tech gets the last 2 seed which would be fine with me if we get them in our bracket.
 
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DiehardDukeFan4Life

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If Kentucky or Tennessee wins the SEC Tournament then I think they MIGHT be the fourth 1 seed buf if one of them doesn’t win the SEC Tournament then I think Duke, Virginia and UNC could all end up being 1 seeds because I think Duke has locked up a 1 seed even if we don’t win tonight
 
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I actually think we have the overall #1 locked up. I think the only team that has a shot now is UK. Bilas made a point last night that Duke is essentially 6-2 against 1 seeds. I don't think anyone else can boast that record.

I think the win last night and our overall strength of schedule has the #1.
 
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Arlene

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dbav said:
I actually think we have the overall #1 locked up. I think the only team that has a shot now is UK. Bilas made a point last night that Duke is essentially 6-2 against 1 seeds. I don't think anyone else can boast that record.

I think the win last night and our overall strength of schedule has the #1.
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Not sure who Bilas is counting as 1 seeds unless he’s including Texas Tech and UNC because the only 1 seed that is definite is UVA and Gonzaga. If you include Kentucky, UNC and Texas Tech then we are 5-3 against 1 seeds since we lost to Gonzaga and UNC twice. Have 2 wins over UVA, and wins over UK, UNC, TTU. Maybe I’m missing something.
 
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QC Dukie

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The only one seeds that are locks right now are Duke and uva. The other two I believe are still up for grabs. IMO, it should be zags and uk/tenn if one wins sec.if they both stumble, then I think the cheaters will get it.
 
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dukehokie

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No way Gonzaga gets one in my mind
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Their nonconference will be enough for the committee to make it work.

Duke should be the #1 overall. That’s all that matters. With Tennessee and UK being on the bubble for a one seed, winning that tournament won’t be enough for the overall #1.

Duke is the only team on the one seed line in their conference championship right now. All is right with the world.
 
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UNCheat fans need to tattoo the three games scores on their butt cheeks with a giant asterisk next to the first two. *Zion did not play*

Lunardi has us in KU's bracket. Love to get a crack at them again this year.
 
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SwatX1

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Unc obviously plays In a MUCH tougher conference than the zags, they have two wins over us, although we weren't at full strength, and they beat the zags. IMO, they are more deserving than the zags, but if we win tonight, I believe the 1 seeds, in order, will be Duke, UVA, zags, winner between uk-ut. To me, the zags only have 3 resume building games and they went 1-2 in them
 
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chov1125

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I want us to stamp our #1 overall seed with a win tonight.

I don’t agree with Gonzaga being a lock, but I believe they are. The conference schedule is so long and grueling, if you can’t win your conference tournament in that conference, you shouldn’t be rewarded. I would give them the 2 out West and reward a team that battled for the last couple of months. I know they can’t control their schedule, but they can control winning their tournament. They didn’t.

Virginia is a lock. I’ll be very curious to see how they respond if they fall behind in an early game. Their entire system is based on control. When they fall behind and have to change, they have historically struggled.

The last 1 will be decided in tomorrow’s SEC final. Obviously either Uk or Tn gets there. If they win it they get it. If not UNC. With one exception. If Mich St wins the Big 10 and looks dominant in doing so they are the wildcard.
 
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HuffyJB

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Lunardi's updated bracketology has Duke as a 1 now, but in the South (UVA still #1 in East). If Duke wins tonight, do they then jump UVA? I would assume DC would be preferable to Louisville for them.
 
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If Duke wins, including the acc tournament, Duke is 17-4 while uva and UNC is 17-3. But, but, but 1. Duke's sos in conference is better than uva and blows the cheats out of the water. 2. Even if we were healthy and we lose to the cheats twice, the committee has to think VT was a win and we were well on our way to slapping cuse silly until Tre gets hurt. 3. We beat uva twice.

Considering whole body of work, even taking injuries out of the equation, duke has a strong case for overall 1. Add the injuries into the equation, it is a no brainier.

And cheats can whine and cry about being the better to team and 2-1, but 1. Maybelline was zanos you-know-what yesterday and 2. There is a one game subset where Zion played, and you lost. Anyway you slice it (and let's not even delve into flopping like a fish and you don't get called for illegal screens. Hell, the last play last night, you should have been hit with one), there is no earthly excuse to see cheats above Duke.
 
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christophero

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I think we need to win tonight to get the number one overall seed. If we lose Virginia is number one overall (I know we beat them twice) and us, Gonzaga, and UNC are the other 3. Kentucky, MSU, Tenn., and someone else are the two seeds. FSU could be a 2 if they win tonight, but I think we'll win. So happy for Goldwire and Vrank. J-Gold now has an in as a defensive specialist. I think he improves a lot next year, which is a need for us. Vrank is an asset as well, a big body. He's a bit slow but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes and knows his role. Think he gets some time today. Go Duke! Let's bring home our first of 2 titles.
 
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SwatX1

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HuffyJB said:
Lunardi's updated bracketology has Duke as a 1 now, but in the South (UVA still #1 in East). If Duke wins tonight, do they then jump UVA? I would assume DC would be preferable to Louisville for them.
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ACC tournament champs and beat UVA twice. It seems that simple to me. We'll see I guess.
 
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chov1125

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kwyjibos13 said:
Oh wait, give cheats the better seed. I forgot their road wins over Elon and Wofford
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It’s actually even funnier when you think about it now. The argument is those early road games prepare you for later in the year. Think about our schedule, the venues we’ve played in. Now think about how much better prepared we would be if we had only gone to Elon instead of MSG in November.
 
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dukiejay said:
I would if this happened to us and I think it’s totally unfair that it could even be a thing, but it would be funny if UNC and UK both wound up in the South region.
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That would suck for UK. UNC is very capable of winning it all, imo.
 
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christophero

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Personally I think UNC would beat Kentucky the way they are playing now.
 
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Mpm277

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It would be in Louisville Kentucky though and KENTUCKY is very very good themselves. UNC would be playing a true road game
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Oh for sure. That place would be 99% UK fans and they would have slept in their own beds that night. Still, I think UNC is more than capable of winning that game. Also, would it still be in Lville by the time they met?
 
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Unless we look like crap in a loss to FSU, we may have already locked up the #1 overall. Clearly, UVA is a lock for a 1. I think Gonzaga is as well, but agree with those that think UNC is actually the better team. I think the other number 1 goes to the SEC champ if it is Tenn or UK. If the winner of that matchup loses in the championship game, I think UNC gets the 4th 1 seed. Kentucky and UNC will both be really tough outs in the tournament. I REALLY hope they both end up in the same region so that the complaining goes to 10. Then I hope they get beat by lower seeds in the first weekend.
I also would love, love, love to get Kansas in our region. I hate that entire fanbase and want our guys to smoke them in the tournament.
 
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christophero

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Why am I not worried about tonight? Having a one seed locked up and beating UNC were 2 big goals, the rest seems like gravy. Don't get me wrong I want to win but don't feel like we have to.
 
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DiehardDukeFan4Life

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I was watching ESPN right before the TENN/UK game and they were talking about the 1 seeds and they had Joe Lunardi via video and they asked him who he thinks are the 1 seeds and he said that Duke and Virginia are the only 2 teams that are locked in as 1 serfs right now. He also said that he thinks Gonzaga could either be the last 1 seed or a 2 seed.
 
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HuffyJB

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When they are evaluating, a big thing Duke will have going for it in comparison to UVA is that Duke's overall SOS is 2nd to UVA's 18th, and Duke's non-conference SOS is 5th, while UVA's is 170th. Obviously that is quite a difference.
 
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HuffyJB said:
When they are evaluating, a big thing Duke will have going for it in comparison to UVA is that Duke's overall SOS is 2nd to UVA's 18th, and Duke's non-conference SOS is 5th, while UVA's is 170th. Obviously that is quite a difference.
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Imo we should have the overall 1, shouldn’t even be up for debate
 
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youngman42

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dukiejay said:
I think it’s safe to say that no matter what, Duke has clinched a #1 seed now. With a win over FSU, are we the #1 overall seed? I think so.

How about the other #1 seeds? Virginia for sure. Is Carolina one? I think they’re one of the four best teams right now, but their losses are still their losses...although, they did beat the Zags.

Speaking of Gonzaga....still on the top line? If UT or UK win the SECT they almost certainly get a one, correct?

There’s six teams in contention for #1 seeds. I think UVa and Duke are locks. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I generally agree. And, I agree that Duke and UVA are #1 seeds. (the one possible exception is if Duke got really blown out by FSU - after looking ugly beating UNC).

One quibble is that while Gonzaga lost to UNC at UNC, they also beat Duke on a neutral floor; and Duke could be the #1 overall with a victory over FSU.

And, further, Gonzaga lost to UNC without one of their key players, Geno Crandall (who though he's not been the scorer he was the last three seasons is still a factor in games averaging 20 mpg).

It's going to be a tough call.

I think the UK-UT winner gets a 1 but Mich. St. and Michigan could wind up both as 2s along with the UK-UT loser and either Gonzaga or UNC (whichever is not a one).
 
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I don't see how UNC doesn't get a #1 honestly. They deserve it. They played the toughest schedule and are playing great right now.

UVa? Well i wouldn't be surprised to see them fall to a 2. The out of conf schedule was weak.

I don't agree that we have a #1 locked up right now. If we lose tonight - we are on the bubble for a 1 - imo. UNC would have just as good a claim as we would. we have to win to get the number 1.

So if Duke wins

Duke
UNC
UK/UT winner
UVa

Wow, # ACC teams - could it happen?
 
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