ACC Dead Pool

[steeleer]

It doesn't take ESP to see where this is heading. The ACC is as top heavy (Clemson) as any football conference can get. It really isn't an "if" as much as it is a "when". I assume once the Big 12 dust settles and Texas and OK are in the SEC, then the SEC will strike again.

The real questions will be:

1) When?

My guess will be 2025. That gives ESPN time to adjust to the UT/OK transition in 2023 (zero chance of that waiting 4 years).

2) What happens to the other ACC teams?

IMO, the SEC will table VT and FSU to see what else they can get (ND). A couple of teams get into the Big 10 (UNC and Duke). They rest are flotsam.

3) Will WVU join the ACC even if that happens?

Sad to say but probably. I'll guess some of the leftovers from the Big 12 will be invited. The fact that our academic numbers still suck 10 years later is 100% Gee's fault. We need a true plan of attack (turfing out to a CC system/reduce acceptance rates, ramp up research). Even if getting into the ACC only buys us until 2030, we can improve our lot.

There will be 2 rafts leaving the NCAA by 2030...the SEC and Big 10. If you aren't on one of those you are f'd. The open seats on those rafts are disappearing quickly. I would present our academic CAP to the Big 10 and SEC sometime yesterday and pray it works.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Big 10 just as top heavy as ACC.

See Ohio State

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Exactly but they are getting paid though
Only room for one school to recruit nationally at a high enough level
ACC not as much though because you have talent rich states. But CFP is taking that away. Plus Miami gets hit hard by SEC narratives

 

[WVUALLEN]

Exactly but they are getting paid though
Only room for one school to recruit nationally at a high enough level
ACC not as much though because you have talent rich states. But CFP is taking that away. Plus Miami gets hit hard by SEC narratives

WVU currently ranked 17th in recruiting.

 

[quinnjj]

Big 10 just as top heavy as ACC.

See Ohio State

The difference is the money.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The difference is the money.

If about money then the dead weight will be booted next.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Big 10 just as top heavy as ACC.

See Ohio State

In on field performance perhaps, but in monetary value to the conference, they are not an OU and UT away from being as bad as the Big 12 is now.

 

[WVUALLEN]

In on field performance perhaps, but in monetary value to the conference, they are not an OU and UT away from being as bad as the Big 12 is now.

That's because of media perception. Take out Ohio State and Michigan and their a top level G conference far ahead of the other G's.

 

[MichiganHerd]

That's because of media perception. Take out Ohio State and Michigan and their a top level G conference far ahead of the other G's.

I don't feel comfortable placing Michigan in that line of conversation. I can think of several B1G football programs that are head & shoulders above Michigan currently. Sad state of affairs in Ann Arbor. Even Northwestern has had a better program in the most recent years.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I don't feel comfortable placing Michigan in that line of conversation. I can think of several B1G football programs that are head & shoulders above Michigan currently. Sad state of affairs in Ann Arbor. Even Northwestern has had a better program in the most recent years.

Who would people rather see? Northwestern vs Alabama or Michigan vs Alabama?

 

[MichiganHerd]

Who would people rather see? Northwestern vs Alabama or Michigan vs Alabama?

If it's me, I would rather see Northwestern lose to Alabama by 50, than watch clueless Harbaugh lose by 60. But, I get your point.

 

[KingCoal]

That's because of media perception. Take out Ohio State and Michigan and their a top level G conference far ahead of the other G's.

I'm looking forward to the resumption of the WVU/Penn State series.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I'm looking forward to the resumption of the WVU/Penn State series.

I'm not. It gets old being embarrassed by the same team every year. Marshall even understands that in their series with WVU.

 

[KingCoal]

I'm not. It gets old being embarrassed by the same team every year. Marshall even understands that in their series with WVU.

Nobody cares about Marshall. Your G5 comments about the B1G without Ohio State and Michigan may come back to haunt you, as Penn State is no G5 program, and its current recruiting rating serves as a reminder of this.

 

[Euell]

I'm not. It gets old being embarrassed by the same team every year. Marshall even understands that in their series with WVU.

This isn't the 60's and 70's. WVU could play with PSU these days.

 

[WVUALLEN]

This isn't the 60's and 70's. WVU could play with PSU these days.

Last time WVU played PSU was 1992 and we lost 40-26. We trailed by 10 at the 6:34 mark of 3rd quarter. Tied the game 26-26 at 12:52 in the 4th. Then gave up 2 touchdowns in final minute of the game. That's the way it always went with PSU. You can't prove it any different until we see it on the field.

1992 L 40-26
1991 L 51-6
1990 L 31-19
1989 L 19-9
1988 W 51-30
1987 L 25-21
1986 L 19-0
1985 L 27-0
1984 W 17-14
1983 L 41-23
1982 L 24-0
1981 L 30-7
1980 L 20-15

Yup real competitive in the 80's and 90's. Best coach all time at WVU went 2-11 against PSU.

Overall 9-48-2

Going to have to prove it on the field to me.

 

[Euell]

Last time WVU played PSU was 1992 and we lost 40-26. We trailed by 10 at the 6:34 mark of 3rd quarter. Tied the game 26-26 at 12:52 in the 4th. Then gave up 2 touchdowns in final minute of the game. That's the way it always went with PSU. You can't prove it any different until we see it on the field.

1992 L 40-26
1991 L 51-6
1990 L 31-19
1989 L 19-9
1988 W 51-30
1987 L 25-21
1986 L 19-0
1985 L 27-0
1984 W 17-14
1983 L 41-23
1982 L 24-0
1981 L 30-7
1980 L 20-15

Yup real competitive in the 80's and 90's. Best coach all time at WVU went 2-11 against PSU.

Overall 9-48-2

Going to have to prove it on the field to me.

Maybe you forgot that Clarence "Doc" Spears was best coach of all time. Just ask GOAT sportswriter.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Yeah. If we dig him up and “Weekend at Bernies” him on the sidelines, WVU would be granted SEC spot over Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, NotreDame, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Kansas City Chief’s, etc. automatically!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

It doesn't take ESP to see where this is heading. The ACC is as top heavy (Clemson) as any football conference can get. It really isn't an "if" as much as it is a "when". I assume once the Big 12 dust settles and Texas and OK are in the SEC, then the SEC will strike again.

The real questions will be:

1) When?

My guess will be 2025. That gives ESPN time to adjust to the UT/OK transition in 2023 (zero chance of that waiting 4 years).

2) What happens to the other ACC teams?

IMO, the SEC will table VT and FSU to see what else they can get (ND). A couple of teams get into the Big 10 (UNC and Duke). They rest are flotsam.

3) Will WVU join the ACC even if that happens?

Sad to say but probably. I'll guess some of the leftovers from the Big 12 will be invited. The fact that our academic numbers still suck 10 years later is 100% Gee's fault. We need a true plan of attack (turfing out to a CC system/reduce acceptance rates, ramp up research). Even if getting into the ACC only buys us until 2030, we can improve our lot.

There will be 2 rafts leaving the NCAA by 2030...the SEC and Big 10. If you aren't on one of those you are f'd. The open seats on those rafts are disappearing quickly. I would present our academic CAP to the Big 10 and SEC sometime yesterday and pray it works.

Your entire post ignores the legal fact that all ACC schools have no leverage for 15 years. You can post 1000 times until you are blue in the face and that won’t change any legal fact. Your post is silly and irrelevant.

 

[Tylerite]

Your entire post ignores the legal fact that all ACC schools have no leverage for 15 years. You can post 1000 times until you are blue in the face and that won’t change any legal fact. Your post is silly and irrelevant.

What you say is true to a certain extent. And even though I don't think Clemson, FSU, or anyone else wants out of the ACC, you know through negotiations, and/or courts these things can be settled. Granted it may take 1 or two years, but not 15. If a school wants out bad enough, they will make it happen.

 

[steeleer]

Big 10 just as top heavy as ACC.

See Ohio State

Michigan is 5x the brand that any non-Clemson ACC team is right now. They just need a real coach. Wisconsin would normally house anyone in the ACC not named Clemson. Penn State? Iowa? Even Indiana has figured it out.

UNC is a nice story. I doubt they keep it up and Mack Brown isn't coaching much longer. They'll go back to their putrid ways once he's gone. Miami has been all bark and no bite since they left the Big East.

 

[steeleer]

Last time WVU played PSU was 1992 and we lost 40-26. We trailed by 10 at the 6:34 mark of 3rd quarter. Tied the game 26-26 at 12:52 in the 4th. Then gave up 2 touchdowns in final minute of the game. That's the way it always went with PSU. You can't prove it any different until we see it on the field.

1992 L 40-26
1991 L 51-6
1990 L 31-19
1989 L 19-9
1988 W 51-30
1987 L 25-21
1986 L 19-0
1985 L 27-0
1984 W 17-14
1983 L 41-23
1982 L 24-0
1981 L 30-7
1980 L 20-15

Yup real competitive in the 80's and 90's. Best coach all time at WVU went 2-11 against PSU.

Overall 9-48-2

Going to have to prove it on the field to me.

The ROD teams would have housed PSU. They had their hands full with Pitt when they finally played them. Paterno ain't walking through that door.

 

[steeleer]

Your entire post ignores the legal fact that all ACC schools have no leverage for 15 years. You can post 1000 times until you are blue in the face and that won’t change any legal fact. Your post is silly and irrelevant.

Well, no one has challenged the GOR yet. When the Big 10 and the SEC literally have no reason to worry about anyone leaving (why the hell would they?), then they will openly recruit Clemson. The ACC will contest it. The Supreme Court will say the GOR stifles free commerce and the ACC might get a subway token as compensation. The Big 10 and SEC might even get rid of their own GOR in advance to help their cases. The SEC has spent 95% of their existence without one.

The PAC 12 will get the same treatment.

You sound scared Greg. You should be.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Well, no one has challenged the GOR yet. When the Big 10 and the SEC literally have no reason to worry about anyone leaving (why the hell would they?), then they will openly recruit Clemson. The ACC will contest it. The Supreme Court will say the GOR stifles free commerce and the ACC might get a subway token as compensation. The Big 10 and SEC might even get rid of their own GOR in advance to help their cases. The SEC has spent 95% of their existence without one.

The PAC 12 will get the same treatment.

You sound scared Greg. You should be.

Are you @TownesVanZandt haha. You post like him. Trying to turn personal brainstorming opinions into facts. I mean why should anyone think you have any idea what you’re talking about. Not scared of anything college football related. I didn’t miss a Duquesne home game for four years and went to a lot of their away games. It’s all about the game and family for me bruh. I still love high school games on Friday nights.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

SEC doesn’t have a GOR
Schools can leave anytime they want

 

[WVUALLEN]

The ROD teams would have housed PSU. They had their hands full with Pitt when they finally played them. Paterno ain't walking through that door.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Rodriguez with Pat White at QB YES. Other than that no.