I agree that there are some terrible teachers but it seems they all get lumped together as being bad. And yes my wife is a very good teacher who has been a finalist for the Valvoline KY teacher of the year award, she serves as a board member on some type of education board that oversees KY, TN, VA and WV as one of only 2 teachers representatives on the board (the rest are college presidents, school district superintendents, state department of education heads, etc), she has been featured in an article of the Washington Post for things she has done in her school system among other things. She is one who works hard, cares about the kids and their education, goes above and beyond and it ticks me off when I hear guys lump her in a category of being selfish, entitled, money hungry, etc.
According to a tweet from Jeff Hoover the new state budget gives state employees a raise except teachers.....
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Every companies has bad employees. Every school has bad teachers. My wife does too much in my opinion. She’s on the site based committee, coaches the academic team, mentors a first year teacher, and is 2 classes from having her PHD. Don’t lump all teachers together.
I love most teachers but my god the most vocal ones are the biggest crybabies. Those people expect some sort of hero worship as if teaching kids 2/3 of the year (if that) deserves some sort of hazard pay and fanfare.
I have several teachers in my family. They all do it because they find the experience rewarding; not because they expected to get rich. Anyone doing that job for the money should've just done something else. All parties would've been better off.
Again most are great and wonderfully do their jobs but the most vocal are just unbearable. Teachers consistently got raises over the course of years whereas state employees didn't get one in forever. It's a shame everyone can't get paid what they're worth, but with all the covid malfeasance at both state and federal levels, we are in for some major economic hardship across the board.
I have several teachers in my family. They all do it because they find the experience rewarding; not because they expected to get rich. Anyone doing that job for the money should've just done something else. All parties would've been better off.
Again most are great and wonderfully do their jobs but the most vocal are just unbearable. Teachers consistently got raises over the course of years whereas state employees didn't get one in forever. It's a shame everyone can't get paid what they're worth, but with all the covid malfeasance at both state and federal levels, we are in for some major economic hardship across the board.
What are teacher retirement benefits? Seems relevant when comparing to the private sector and/or evaluating their compensation.
their benefits package is no better or worse than most jobs but they do have to waive all rights to any Social Security benefits where someone like myself can draw my on my 401K and also SS.
If you get 8% this year and 12% in 2 years, isn’t that more than 20% total? If I make 100,000 and I get a 20% raise, I am making 120,000. If I get an 8% raise and then a 12% raise, I am making almost $1,000 more.
Google Average teacher salary in Kentucky. Know what comes up? How about $57,182.00 a year. Then figure that teachers teach 170 days a year x 6 hours a day that comes out to be that teachers work 1,020 hours a year. Then divide 57,182 dollars by the 1,020 hours that they work. That comes out to be $56.06 an hour. Just do the math.
There are a lot of vocal teachers who complain. I see a ton of my teacher friends on social media trying to shove how hard they work into everyone's face. IMO part of the reason is because of the way part of society views teachers. A lot of people don't look at teachers as professionals due to familiarity with the teaching profession (i.e. going to school for 13 years of their lives and seeing teachers do their jobs every day). They lack respect for teachers, see them as glorified babysitters, put them down, etc. etc. I think it makes some teachers have "little man syndrome," for lack of a better term, and they speak up to try to combat that stereotype.
However, it could also be said that this constant vocal complaining further reduces that respect in the eyes of many people. It probably doesn't help and definitely doesn't achieve its desired effect. It's a vicious cycle. I'm half in one camp half in the other - I'm of the opinion that teaching is a very difficult job, but also think that my salary is commensurate with time worked.
It is the only profession I know where members repeatedly tell people how hard they work and that no one would want their job or could do their job. When I was in the school of education at UK, there were many future teachers who had just learned they were not going to be doctors or engineers. So, they decided to teach.I own a small business. My pay is directly tied to how much money I generate and how much I work. It varies from year to year.
I enrolled my kids in private school this year, so all good
I get it - you guys are married to teachers. It’s a biased conversation and you guys can’t be rational about it. However this is the only place in society I can complain about teachers without my life being ruined, so I will. One of the most entitled professions in the world, and COVID was disappointingly eye-opening.
I love teachers and once upon a time worked for a school, but their schtick as a collective gets old.
I knew a guy who landscaped during his break. After years of building a landscaping business, he left teaching. What a great way to build a business.
Of course it's their underlings unless there's a problem. But they do hire the super who hires the folks doing the hiring/firing.So you actually think the hiring and firing in a school system is done by the elected leaders of the school district? Elected School board members couldn't give 2who teaches first grade.
The point was the hiring/firing has nothing to do with the state but is handled by the local district. But a hope you feel better from that rant.
I know a lot of teachers who retire in their early 50s. That plan is better than most jobs of equal salary.
It’s actually way better. Never gets mentioned however.
My wife has been teaching for over 15 years and doesn't make that much. Also it's either 180 or 185 days a year that they have to be in classroom doing instruction but that doesn't cover all other days for PD, working in the classroom without students etc. Also where in the world do you get a 6 hour work day? That must be some common core math.
Teachers get paid fairly well once you factor in their 3 months of vacation annually.
As a group, public school teachers complain more than any other profession out there. I'd be fine with paying them more if we went to a full year schedule, but that won't be happening anytime soon.
As a group, public school teachers complain more than any other profession out there. I'd be fine with paying them more if we went to a full year schedule, but that won't be happening anytime soon.
Another one of the usual suspects. I’ve never read a thread about teachers that you didn’t piss on. Who hurt you? Maybe talking about it will help.
He got him numbers by backing into the $50 an hour he claimed. 6 hours a day. I’ve never heard of a school where the teachers worked less hours than the school was in session for. Our school is in for 7.5 hours, and that doesn’t count drop off or pickup, both of which the teachers do.My wife has been teaching for over 15 years and doesn't make that much. Also it's either 180 or 185 days a year that they have to be in classroom doing instruction but that doesn't cover all other days for PD, working in the classroom without students etc. Also where in the world do you get a 6 hour work day? That must be some common core math.
Alluded to this earlier. If you want to calculate that way, then every other office job can then tack on time after their 40 hours.
If you're worth your salt in ANY field, chances are you're working more than 40 hour weeks. I'm working on a project tonight at 8pm, that has to be done after hours. Anyone in sales, likely taking calls on weekends and nights. Anyone in technology is on call. Anyone doing ANY kind of emergency work, also on call.
Teachers love to talk about grading papers at night in front of the TV, as some sort of "extra" work, the type that the rest of us are never subject to.
Want more money as a teacher? You can tack on another $10k if you work a summer job. Some teachers do, most dont.
I don't know how many times it has to be said but they don't have off from the last day of school to the first day of the next school like some of you seem to think. Could they find a part time job that will allow for them to be off for the PD days and other days they work during the summer? Sure but from personal experience there are very few times that my wife isn't at her school working or traveling somewhere for training/professional development at least one day during every week over the summer. The lone exception is usually if we are on vacation or if janitors have waxed the hallways and nobody is allowed in the building.
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Ah ha! Somebody from an era when schools actually taught math! An outlier nowadays for sure.....I genuflect in your direction CC.
It’s not three months in the summer, but if you add Christmas and Spring break (and now fall break) it adds up to about that.
And it’s not six hours, as mentioned previously it’s about 7.5. The main thing that most don’t account for is that, at least in elementary, if the days starts at 7:30 you hit the ground running with kids in your room. I’m fortunate enough to not start my day that way. I like easing into my day as I’m sure most of you all do too.
Benefits are pretty damn good. You can do the math with my username and will see that I could retire quite soon. That’s not very realistic for my situation, but it’s there. I could start a second career or do something part time and do quite well.
As for vocal teachers, hey, someone has to do it. I’m sure most warehouses and factories and other workplaces have a union chief or whatever who is kind of a dick. And that’s why things get done. I’m glad someone is being loud even if they’re super annoying.
And it’s not six hours, as mentioned previously it’s about 7.5. The main thing that most don’t account for is that, at least in elementary, if the days starts at 7:30 you hit the ground running with kids in your room. I’m fortunate enough to not start my day that way. I like easing into my day as I’m sure most of you all do too.
Benefits are pretty damn good. You can do the math with my username and will see that I could retire quite soon. That’s not very realistic for my situation, but it’s there. I could start a second career or do something part time and do quite well.
As for vocal teachers, hey, someone has to do it. I’m sure most warehouses and factories and other workplaces have a union chief or whatever who is kind of a dick. And that’s why things get done. I’m glad someone is being loud even if they’re super annoying.
It was in reference to the poster saying they worked 6 hours a day. Which he made up to make his numbers work. All of us have taken work home. That wasn’t the point
Teachers don’t take time off during the school year. Maybe a couple of sick days. And for the most part there is zero downtime. They can’t close their doors and zone out for an hour. She has kids all day. Eats her lunch with them.
That’s what makes me mad about people mouthing off about their schedule. Says they get the summer off is not accurate. We had to pass on a family time share at the beach one July because my wife had training that couldn’t be rescheduled. Yes some of the perks are good. And most teachers don’t complain about their pay. But the vocal ones are real loud.
Yah I don't disagree with your first point from that post, I don't know where he got those numbers from lol. I was just referencing the last point, and the general talking point of "we teachers do work after hours".
My wife was a teacher, my grandmother for over 50 years, my aunt etc. I know teachers and I know the job.
Every teacher I know cares about education. But they blindly follow, worship, promote and allow an organization that cares nothing about education or children. The teachers union is a political organization that puts politics over education. As long as teachers continue to promote that organization, they will continue to drop in public popularity.
Every teacher I know cares about education. But they blindly follow, worship, promote and allow an organization that cares nothing about education or children. The teachers union is a political organization that puts politics over education. As long as teachers continue to promote that organization, they will continue to drop in public popularity.
There's a reason so many ice cream shops in the northeast are run by teachers.
I have quite a few teachers in my family and the one closest to me is my step-mom. Some summers she's worked, and others she hasn't. She's taking this summer off.
I'm mostly on the side of the teachers in this thread, but things like this tend to lose me.....
In Kentucky, I currently know 5-6 teachers who work full time jobs during the Summer. at a call center, as a restaurant server, doing taxes, mowing lawns, construction. I even know 1 teacher who hasn't worked during the Summer, but is a bachelor and has spent his Summer overland camping in his Jeep for 3 out of the past 5 Summers.....going all over the US.
In Tennessee, I currently know close to 10 friends/family who routinely work 30+ hrs/wk during the Summer. At the co-op, as a car mechanic, mowing lawns, running a daycare, at a Faber-Castel pencil factory, at a make-up factory, a Ranger at a National Park out in Colorado (yes, he relocates during the Summer), construction.
And a good portion of those teacher friends/family of mine that don't work say that they don't do so because they want the time off to recharge or spend with their kids.
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I didn't know. Glad to hear. I mean they don't make all that much so it's good they get decent old age protection.
Because lets be real.. aside from some one week training, or a few meetings here and there.. they have summer's off lol. There's no way around it.
In one breath they will tell you they don't, and in the next breath they can't wait to tell you how excited they are for the last day of school. Weird, huh? Mid June means nothing to the rest of us... but it sure means something for teachers.
In MY personal experience, no student gets out of a school faster than a teacher, whether it's for the summer or end of the day.
What's a pension?
"Rev. Stat. § 161.155. (2) Each district board of education shall allow to each teacher and full-time employee in its common school system not less than ten (10) days of sick leave during each school year, without deduction of salary."
Boo-*******-who..
What do you think most office jobs are like? As an IT guy (which I can vouch for with past posts), there's no down time for me. There's no "off the clock". MY students? Those are the internal staff, who can bother me at any time for something, people that I also eat with, in the break room or cafeteria. I don't have a door, and I can't close myself off from anyone. People can approach me, call me, email me, slack me.. I don't have some "safe space" to go hide..
This is the part that annoys me. I'm fine with teachers making more money.. the good ones should IMO. But sitting atop of your throne like you're the only ones who have hardships at work.. Gets so tiresome. There's a reason why these threads exist and why the rest of us roll our eyes when a teacher complains.
The unions are my gripe. There are whiners in every profession. Teachers get a societal benefit of the doubt that others where say police and fire don't. Aside from that, the two largest teacher's unions in the US were downright despicable in how they handled covid. It was all about them with little to no thought of the harm on kids.
You have to take the good with the bad. I have dreams during the summer of what it would be like to not have to take a single call from a customer and not have to deal with a single issue but I'd rather grind it out now and reap the rewards later with hopefully a fatter stack of cash. If someone wants to teach and maybe take that time before retirement, entirely their choice. You just aren't going to win over many saying you deserve more money when the rest of the labor force can make the same statement and are likely eating a bigger **** sandwich everyday.
I also thought that it was 180 days a year until I googled how many days are in a Kentucky school year & it showed 170 days. And as far as the 6 hours a day goes. School starts at 8:00 am & lets out at 3:00 pm. Then subtract their time off for lunch, then subtract their time off for something called a planning period when most off them do nothing. They might not even work 6 hours a day, might be more like 5 1/2 hours a day.My wife has been teaching for over 15 years and doesn't make that much. Also it's either 180 or 185 days a year that they have to be in classroom doing instruction but that doesn't cover all other days for PD, working in the classroom without students etc. Also where in the world do you get a 6 hour work day? That must be some common core math.