Accreditation

[HerbCrookforPrez]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

 

[gocds]

I'm neither a Bevin supporter or non supporter but if you'll read the latest reports on this issue you'll see that we are on track to solve these issues. J. David Grissom is in charge and he knows exactly what he's doing. We have a new interim president and Mr. Grissom has put the foundation on notice to get it's collective asses in order or else. We are NOT going to lose accreditation.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[HerbCrookforPrez]

I'm neither a Bevin supporter or non supporter but if you'll read the latest reports on this issue you'll see that we are on track to solve these issues. J. David Grissom is in charge and he knows exactly what he's doing. We have a new interim president and Mr. Grissom has put the foundation on notice to get it's collective asses in order or else. We are NOT going to lose accreditation.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[HerbCrookforPrez]

I'm not sure that this alleviates the fact that we were put on probation because of Bevins haphazard manner of dismissing the previous board…

 

[ShortCreek]

This concerns me too. Needs to get fixed pronto. Bevin is an idiot. No telling what his motives are, the guy would love to be a dictator.

 

[Rollem Cards]

As far as the Fox in the Henhouse, the last board, appointed by the other guy, is the one who got all this started. Jim Ramsey brought this school from an urban commuter school in CUSA to where we are today. And we canned him. Maybe the foundation did something wrong, maybe they didn't. But everything Ramsey did was good for UL. And he's gone.

I'm so jaded in my old age that I think there is no "association", panel, committee, or anything else that can't be "fixed" with money.
We have it, and the Southern Assoc of Colleges and Schools know we have it. All I see with these groups is hands out waiting to be filled.

Which brings me to the question...what about those poor old northern schools?

 

[rentalman]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

It will never happen. It will get worked out.

 

[gocds]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

I believe this is an over reaction. The accreditation folks have already indicated that the "recent moves" have been positive. Us totally losing accreditation isn't going to happen and losing our ACC affiliation isn't going to happen either.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

Tim Couch or Jared Herb.... which was your favorite Cat?

 

[GOCARDS6]

Not going to happen, too much money involved that people would lose should such a thing happen...

 

[zipp_rivals]

Concern over nothing. And there's nothing in our ACC relationship that's been damaged. Next issue...

 

[tluck28]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

I'm sure there is a safe space somewhere close for you to voice these concerns.

Quit being scared. It ain't happening and this needed to happen to clean that place up. it was on the verge of becoming an embarrassment. I'd be willing to bet money that if he left the previous admin in there to keep doing what they were doing, our athletic program and school really may have been shut down.

 

[beantowncard]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

That would be an impeachable offense.

 

[WildCard]

I still don't understand why these University governance problems are a "threat" to what I presumed was meant to an academic accreditation. For that matter, I would have thought UNC's long running spurious AFAM department would have been a far greater blow to academic integrity that anything that happened at UofL.

Peace

 

[beantowncard]

I still don't understand why these University governance problems are a "threat" to what I presumed was meant to an academic accreditation. For that matter, I would have thought UNC's long running spurious AFAM department would have been a far greater blow to academic integrity that anything that happened at UofL.

Peace

But,but,... they're UNC, and U S News says they are really, really , good academically, so that kind of stuff doesn't matter.

 

[wilkie01]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

 

[Guardman]

But,but,... they're UNC, and U S News says they are really, really , good academically, so that kind of stuff doesn't matter.

Well UNC SHOULD be good academically if they don't require anyone to go to class but give them all A's. I mean all 'dem degrees, 'dey gotta be saying 'dat the akudimuks is betuh in karulina.

Just Ishu dem degrees to pruv der gud.

 

[CardX]

Is anyone else really concerned about this?.....I mean, if this doesn't get cleaned up it is literally lights out for us....bye, bye ACC....

I feel like Bevin is a fox in the henhouse......Wouldn't put it past him orchestrating all this to destroy UofL's athletic program.

I was concerned. We now seem to be on track to have everything resolved. But, Bevin's actions did put the university on probation. He grossly overreached when he terminated the entire board without cause. What he should have done was ask for resignations, and systematically replace board members. It was just a shockingly brazen and immensely stupid decision he made.

 

[Guardman]

I was concerned. We now seem to be on track to have everything resolved. But, Bevin's actions did put the university on probation. He grossly overreached when he terminated the entire board without cause. What he should have done was ask for resignations, and systematically replace board members. It was just a shockingly brazen and immensely stupid decision he made.

Your gross overexaggerations and overstatements and hyperbole are shockingly appalling.

The previous governor was just fine with breaking all the rules all the time.

 

[CardX]

Your gross overexaggerations and overstatements and hyperbole are shockingly appalling.

The previous governor was just fine with breaking all the rules all the time.

Previous governor didn't cause probation. It's ok to admit the current governor made a mistake.

 

[tluck28]

Previous governor didn't cause probation. It's ok to admit the current governor made a mistake.

The lack of any oversight by our previous establishment (the most crooked governor ever), is what has caused this mess. Thank God we have elected someone to clean this mess up or we might actually be facing a school shutdown in the near future.

God forbid anyone is held accountable for anything in libtard land. The fact that republicans had a clean sweep this past election, says it all.

This all happened under Beshaer's watch at one of our state schools.....don't you ever forget that!

 

[Guardman]

Previous governor didn't cause probation. It's ok to admit the current governor made a mistake.

The current governor made a tactical error. The previous governor WAS a mistake.

 

[CardX]

The lack of any oversight by our previous establishment (the most crooked governor ever), is what has caused this mess. Thank God we have elected someone to clean this mess up or we might actually be facing a school shutdown in the near future.

God forbid anyone is held accountable for anything in libtard land. The fact that republicans had a clean sweep this past election, says it all.

This all happened under Beshaer's watch at one of our state schools.....don't you ever forget that!

I'm not disagreeing the UofL board wasn't compliant in its makeup. The way Bevin "fixed it" screwed it up worse. Again, UofL was not on probation when Beshear was governor. UofL is on probation now after what Bevin did. Deflecting blame does not change the fact Bevin put UofL's accreditation at risk.

 

[CardX]

The current governor made a tactical error. The previous governor WAS a mistake.

Yes, he did make a tactical error that put UofL's accreditation at risk.

 

[Guardman]

Yes, he did make a tactical error that put UofL's accreditation at risk.

The previous governor made far worse errors and was never called to task for it. If anyone should have received blame it should have been him.

 

[gocds]

The previous governor made far worse errors and was never called to task for it. If anyone should have received blame it should have been him.

And I wonder when Andy "tiny" Brashear is going to investigate the previous govenor? Oh yeah, he ain't gonna do that cause that's his daddy. If I wuz "tiny" i believe I'd be damned careful about who I made political friends with.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[bobwest]

The current governor made a tactical error. The previous governor WAS a mistake.

Bingo Guardman

 

[CardX]

The previous governor made far worse errors and was never called to task for it. If anyone should have received blame it should have been him.

The previous governor did not cause UofL to be on probation by their accrediting agency.

 

[CardX]

And I wonder when Andy "tiny" Brashear is going to investigate the previous govenor? Oh yeah, he ain't gonna do that cause that's his daddy. If I wuz "tiny" i believe I'd be damned careful about who I made political friends with.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

Bevin, wasting $500K of tax payer's dollars by hiring an Indiana law firm, is already investigating. This thread, btw, is indicative of today's political climate. Mocking, name calling, deflecting, belittling, way to go, guys. All because I pointed out our governor's mistake. People you vote for do make mistakes. Quit being so butt hurt when they **** up.

 

[gocds]

Bevin, wasting $500K of tax payer's dollars by hiring an Indiana law firm, is already investigating. This thread, btw, is indicative of today's political climate. Mocking, name calling, deflecting, belittling, way to go, guys. All because I pointed out our governor's mistake. People you vote for do make mistakes. Quit being so butt hurt when they **** up.

First, if you think "requiring a specific" donation for an appointment to the old BOT was a "good thing" then shame on you. Second, I'm a Democrat and I'm ashamed of the past administration as they attempted to destroy our beloved University strictly to get control over our foundation and it's assets. Also, I want to say that I'm not a Bevin supporter nor surrogate as you seem to be for Behear(sp). I hope we can agree on the fact that this whole thing seems to be on the road to recovery and that "probation" will be a short lived situation regardless of who created the problem. I do believe that Mr. Grissom, a Democrat by the way, has grabbed the bull by the horns and that he will run things the way a business should be run. His first actions to get us a new, bright interim President was stroke of genius and, second his reminder to the foundation that there was a new sheriff in town was not only refreshing but heartening. Dr. Ramsey was a good President and our University is a much, much better place for his actions but to deny that he "did some things incorrectly" is akin sticking your head in the sand.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[Guardman]

The previous governor did not cause UofL to be on probation by their accrediting agency.

That statement is correct, on the face of it.

I'm not sure the previous governor shouldn't have been impeached, however.

 

[Guardman]

The previous governor would not fix, and only made worse, the improperly constituted board. For years. And years. And allowed a board to become completely and grossly dysfunctional, without making any attempt to fix it. And the accreditation agency thought that was just fine to have a wrongly constituted board, and one that was unable to take action because of dysfunction. And a governor that wouldn't do anything about it but make it worse.

But the minute the current governor steps in to correct that university-destroying dysfunction and also correct the makeup of the board, the agency steps in to stop that.

The agency would allow utter destruction of a university and mismanagement and dysfunctionality without any threat of sanction, while also not asking that the university follow its own procedures. What does that say about the agency? Then the agency steps in to call timeout when someone tries to come in and fix it!

The board was completely broken! It had been unable to properly function for at least two years! While Rome burned, the previous governor sat on his hands and simply installed more birds of a feather as board members.

So is it idiocy, neglect, malfeasance or politics from the agency itself? Or from the former governor? I choose to blame the former governor and the accreditation agency for chicanery, malfeasance and also for probably playing inside politics with dissident board members.

If anything the agency itself should be subject to an audit. The agency probably has rubber-stamped the accreditation of ideologically-aligned universities for decades.

An agency that allows what went on in the previous governors' term(s), looking the other way to dysfunction and imbalance, shouldn't be allowed to accredit. They should be shut down and reconstituted. They allowed a mess to exist starting years and years ago. And they sat by and watched, and chose not to do anything until a new guy came in and tried to do something.

The current governor didn't cause the accreditation issue. The previous governor did, due to both willful and benign neglect of his administration.

 

[KingHenry_X]

The previous governor would not fix, and only made worse, the improperly constituted board. For years. And years. And allowed a board to become completely and grossly dysfunctional, without making any attempt to fix it. And the accreditation agency thought that was just fine to have a wrongly constituted board, and one that was unable to take action because of dysfunction. And a governor that wouldn't do anything about it but make it worse.

But the minute the current governor steps in to correct that university-destroying dysfunction and also correct the makeup of the board, the agency steps in to stop that.

The agency would allow utter destruction of a university and mismanagement and dysfunctionality without any threat of sanction, while also not asking that the university follow its own procedures. What does that say about the agency? Then the agency steps in to call timeout when someone tries to come in and fix it!

The board was completely broken! It had been unable to properly function for at least two years! While Rome burned, the previous governor sat on his hands and simply installed more birds of a feather as board members.

So is it idiocy, neglect, malfeasance or politics from the agency itself? Or from the former governor? I choose to blame the former governor and the accreditation agency for chicanery, malfeasance and also for probably playing inside politics with dissident board members.

If anything the agency itself should be subject to an audit. The agency probably has rubber-stamped the accreditation of ideologically-aligned universities for decades.

An agency that allows what went on in the previous governors' term(s), looking the other way to dysfunction and imbalance, shouldn't be allowed to accredit. They should be shut down and reconstituted. They allowed a mess to exist starting years and years ago. And they sat by and watched, and chose not to do anything until a new guy came in and tried to do something.

The current governor didn't cause the accreditation issue. The previous governor did, due to both willful and benign neglect of his administration.

 

[CardX]

First, if you think "requiring a specific" donation for an appointment to the old BOT was a "good thing" then shame on you. Second, I'm a Democrat and I'm ashamed of the past administration as they attempted to destroy our beloved University strictly to get control over our foundation and it's assets. Also, I want to say that I'm not a Bevin supporter nor surrogate as you seem to be for Behear(sp). I hope we can agree on the fact that this whole thing seems to be on the road to recovery and that "probation" will be a short lived situation regardless of who created the problem. I do believe that Mr. Grissom, a Democrat by the way, has grabbed the bull by the horns and that he will run things the way a business should be run. His first actions to get us a new, bright interim President was stroke of genius and, second his reminder to the foundation that there was a new sheriff in town was not only refreshing but heartening. Dr. Ramsey was a good President and our University is a much, much better place for his actions but to deny that he "did some things incorrectly" is akin sticking your head in the sand.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

I liked Ramsey a lot. Loved the guy. I'm afraid when all is said and done, forensic audits and what not, he might end up in jail. Hope not. We all trusted the guy. Maybe too much. We'll see.

 

[CardX]

The previous governor would not fix, and only made worse, the improperly constituted board. For years. And years. And allowed a board to become completely and grossly dysfunctional, without making any attempt to fix it. And the accreditation agency thought that was just fine to have a wrongly constituted board, and one that was unable to take action because of dysfunction. And a governor that wouldn't do anything about it but make it worse.

But the minute the current governor steps in to correct that university-destroying dysfunction and also correct the makeup of the board, the agency steps in to stop that.

The agency would allow utter destruction of a university and mismanagement and dysfunctionality without any threat of sanction, while also not asking that the university follow its own procedures. What does that say about the agency? Then the agency steps in to call timeout when someone tries to come in and fix it!

The board was completely broken! It had been unable to properly function for at least two years! While Rome burned, the previous governor sat on his hands and simply installed more birds of a feather as board members.

So is it idiocy, neglect, malfeasance or politics from the agency itself? Or from the former governor? I choose to blame the former governor and the accreditation agency for chicanery, malfeasance and also for probably playing inside politics with dissident board members.

If anything the agency itself should be subject to an audit. The agency probably has rubber-stamped the accreditation of ideologically-aligned universities for decades.

An agency that allows what went on in the previous governors' term(s), looking the other way to dysfunction and imbalance, shouldn't be allowed to accredit. They should be shut down and reconstituted. They allowed a mess to exist starting years and years ago. And they sat by and watched, and chose not to do anything until a new guy came in and tried to do something.

The current governor didn't cause the accreditation issue. The previous governor did, due to both willful and benign neglect of his administration.

Lots of words there. In short, you're wrong. Beshear has blame, but he did not cause probation. Bevin had solutions he could have chosen that would have prevented probation. He chose unwisely. Again, it's ok to have people you voted for let you down. They aren't perfect.

 

[gocds]

Lots of words there. In short, you're wrong. Beshear has blame, but he did not cause probation. Bevin had solutions he could have chosen that would have prevented probation. He chose unwisely. Again, it's ok to have people you voted for let you down. They aren't perfect.

I believe you are mistaken, totally mistaken. Beshear appointed people that got what all of them wanted and that was to get rid of Dr. James Ramsey. The other purpose has failed and that was to get control of the millions in the foundation coffers so they could use it for whatever purposes they deemed "perfect". J. David Grissom will do what's right and like he said, "there's a new sheriff in town".

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[KingHenry_X]

Lots of words there. In short, you're wrong. Beshear has blame, but he did not cause probation. Bevin had solutions he could have chosen that would have prevented probation. He chose unwisely. Again, it's ok to have people you voted for let you down. They aren't perfect.

You might want to brush up on cause and effect. Beshear CAUSED the problem. Whether the accreditation ministry took issue with what Bevin did is irrelevant. The board was illegitimate. Bevin sought to remedy that. Bevin is a republican. Educators are notoriously liberal because that is all their liberal arts degree are good for - teaching impractical BS to students who will study and then teach more impractical BS.

 

[Cardinal Cash]

You might want to brush up on cause and effect. Beshear CAUSED the problem. Whether the accreditation ministry took issue with what Bevin did is irrelevant. The board was illegitimate. Bevin sought to remedy that. Bevin is a republican. Educators are notoriously liberal because that is all their liberal arts degree are good for - teaching impractical BS to students who will study and then teach more impractical BS.

As an engineering major at U of L I take offense to that the accreditation deal affects my major the most from what I've heard and to my knowledge SACS did not take issue with the previous board. You are dead on in the fact that academia is run by liberals, but you have to play by their "rules" if you will because this accreditation thing is totally decided upon by them. It's a bad situation, but pure bullheadedness from Bevin will not appease SACS in the least. He needs to learn to work well with others on this and not try and step on any toes. Do whatever they say to get the accredidation off of probation. That's what's most important.

 

[gocds]

As an engineering major at U of L I take offense to that the accreditation deal affects my major the most from what I've heard and to my knowledge SACS did not take issue with the previous board. You are dead on in the fact that academia is run by liberals, but you have to play by their "rules" if you will because this accreditation thing is totally decided upon by them. It's a bad situation, but pure bullheadedness from Bevin will not appease SACS in the least. He needs to learn to work well with others on this and not try and step on any toes. Do whatever they say to get the accredidation off of probation. That's what's most important.

And I believe we are on target to achieve the removal of "probation".

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[Rollem Cards]

As an engineering major at U of L I take offense to that the accreditation deal affects my major the most from what I've heard and to my knowledge SACS did not take issue with the previous board. You are dead on in the fact that academia is run by liberals, but you have to play by their "rules" if you will because this accreditation thing is totally decided upon by them. It's a bad situation, but pure bullheadedness from Bevin will not appease SACS in the least. He needs to learn to work well with others on this and not try and step on any toes. Do whatever they say to get the accredidation off of probation. That's what's most important.

If you're going to be an engineer, as long as you drive that train better than anybody else, it won't matter if we're accredited or not!!