Adolph Rupp

[I’m The Village Idiot]

There are plenty of other examples.

At least on KSBoard the Nate Oats obsession is at a fever pitch. Not withstanding that Alabama currently only has one more win than we do, he went 16-15 in just first season at Alabama and missed the tournament. Made the Sweet 16 his second year. Then 19-14 his third year for a first round exit. It’s only been the last four years (counting this one) that his team has been consistently good. It took him four year to get there, and when you look at a lot of great coaches it takes time to build a program. Also, I think he’s a jerk and I don’t want him here.

Bruce Pearl posted a losing record three years in a row when he first took the Auburn job.

I’m not thrilled with this season either, but I just don’t see the evidence that a lot of the coaches many are convinced would be better actually are. The grass is always greener, and the internet is a magnet for complaining.

Pope’s year one was preseason #23 and a lot of speculation as to whether we would even be a tournament team.

He got us to the same seed line as Calipari the year before who had multiple NBA players, one of them a top 3 pick, the #1 high school class and a 20ppg veteran guard and did it with a portal class that wasn’t great by any preseason prognostication. He’s having a bad year, but people are having to disregard year 1 and act like most of BBN didn’t have their own preseason expectations exceeded by a wide margin. Sweet sixteen with multiple rotation players out for the year — others banged up playing less than 90%. It was a remarkable job. Year 2? It stinks, no other way to put it. I think this was a learning experience for Pope. I still believe he can do massive things at Kentucky because I haven’t forgotten what he has already done.

 

[Supafuzz75]

From 1939-1943 his team lost 26 games. According to some people on here he should have been fired. Little do we know what the future holds.

Dumb..

 

[Weston36]

There’s this other wrinkle where the season is only half over. The eye test isn’t great, but the truth is we don’t know what’s going to happen.

 

[TotheMoon88]

I disagree. Pope was really good at BYU. Did you think he was going to win a title at BYU?

Don‘t ever compare coaching a5 a school like BYU to Kentucky. That’s stupid.

Pope was great at BYU. He’ll be great at Kentucky. Just let him figure it out.

I don’t see how he was great at byu, they actually got worse after the prior coaches players left. And we’re talking about the same byu where kevin young has apparently figured it out in just his second year

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I don’t see how he was great at byu, they actually got worse after the prior coaches players left. And we’re talking about the same byu where kevin young has apparently figured it out in just his second year

Remember how you talked about whether things are analogous earlier? This applies even more here.

Majority of Pope’s career with BYU, it was a mid major. Young got the job with special familial ties and the 2nd year of it being a Big XII school. The Pope-Young dynamic is one of the worst bad-faith comparisons out there.

 

[TotheMoon88]

Remember how you talked about whether things are analogous earlier? This applies even more here.

Majority of Pope’s career with BYU, it was a mid major. Young got the job with special familial ties and the 2nd year of it being a Big XII school. The Pope-Young dynamic is one of the worst bad-faith comparisons out there.

It’s not, you’ll literally try to find any excuse possible to act like pope is great. It’s getting old, he’s a mediocre coach. Kevin young immediately improved byu when he left and has done a far better job this year.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

It’s not, you’ll literally try to find any excuse possible to act like pope is great. It’s getting old, he’s a mediocre coach. Kevin young immediately improved byu when he left and has done a far better job this year.

Why don’t you respond to my points instead of what you think my intent is?

Pope’s BYU tenure — mid major job, mid major resources

Young’s BYU tenure — major conference job, massive influx of resources

You’re trying to compare those the same way someone would try to compare two teams going 24-12, without looking at any underlying factors.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

This kind of refusal to acknowledge any points whatsoever that are in favor of Pope are exactly why, after you all run the remaining reasonable posters off (already ran off a bunch), you’ll have nothing left but an echo chamber. You’ll have no one left except those who completely have bought into the conclusion that Pope is literally the worst coach on the face of the planet — you’ll hear nothing otherwise and there’s literally no way he will back for a third year….WAIT, WHAT!!?? What do you mean he’s back for a third year!?! Well, that’s literally not possible!!??? Literally everyone on the message board said that was the only rational thing —- I was entirely blindsided because anyone who made even the most faintly reasonable objection to our fortified wall of cognitive bias, we ridiculed them mercilessly until they just shut up.

 

[TotheMoon88]

Why don’t you respond to my points instead of what you think my intent is?

Pope’s BYU tenure — mid major job, mid major resources

Young’s BYU tenure — major conference job, massive influx of resources

You’re trying to compare those the same way someone would try to compare two teams going 24-12, without looking at any underlying factors.

Let’s compare popes two years in a major conference job to young’s two years. Keep in mind young has far less experience as a college head coach and he immediately came in and improved BYU did he not? Has he not done a better job this year as well?

 

[Vek96]

I don’t see how he was great at byu, they actually got worse after the prior coaches players left. And we’re talking about the same byu where kevin young has apparently figured it out in just his second year

Uh, Young has a ton of NIL money to spend. Pope didn’t.

Look, let’s not act like Pope is some bum off the street. He did a great job last season.

He’s had some misfortune this year. Injuries, and some poor assessments. However, don’t pretend that you didn’t think we were loaded to start the season.

Pope will figure it out. Relax.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Let’s compare popes two years in a major conference job to young’s two years. Keep in mind young has far less experience as a college head coach and he immediately came in and improved BYU did he not? Has he not done a better job this year as well?

Anyone with a brain stem would agree this year stinks. That’s not under contest.

 

[TotheMoon88]

This kind of refusal to acknowledge any points whatsoever that are in favor of Pope are exactly why, after you all run the remaining reasonable posters off (already ran off a bunch), you’ll have nothing left but an echo chamber. You’ll have largely to the conclusion that Pope is literally the worst coach on the face of the planet — you’ll nothing otherwise and there’s literally no way he will back for a third year….WAIT, WHAT!!?? What do you mean he’s back for a third year!?! Well, that’s literally not possible!!??? Literally everyone on the message board said that was the only rational thing —- I was entirely blindsided because anyone who made even the most faintly reasonable objection to our fortified wall of cognitive bias, we ridiculed them mercilessly until they just shut up.

You refuse to acknowledge any points that don’t favor pope. No one has said he won’t be back for a third year so I don’t know where you’re getting that, all anyone has said is that he doesn’t deserve it, and he doesn’t. There’s nothing in his coaching history that says he’s gonna get any better, he is who he is.

 

[TotheMoon88]

Uh, Young has a ton of NIL money to spend. Pope didn’t.

Look, let’s not act like Pope is some bum off the street. He did a great job last season.

He’s had some misfortune this year. Injuries, and some poor assessments. However, don’t pretend that you didn’t think we were loaded to start the season.

Pope will figure it out. Relax.

Oh so pope doesn’t have a ton of nil money to spend here? He’s not gonna figure anything out, this is who he is, this is just a normal year for pope it’s not some down year. He’s on pace to lose around the same amount of games he always has

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

You refuse to acknowledge any points that don’t favor pope. No one has said he won’t be back for a third year so I don’t know where you’re getting that, all anyone has said is that he doesn’t deserve it, and he doesn’t. There’s nothing in his coaching history that says he’s gonna get any better, he is who he is.

False. I acknowledge things literally all the time.

I’ve acknowledged he gets teams off to a slow start. I’ve acknowledged his rotations are head-spinning. I’ve acknowledged he’s not an elite recruiter. I’ve acknowledged he’s not an elite defensive coach. Anyone familiar with my posts knows all that for a fact. On the other hand, anyone who says something that seems favorable about the guy, they get ridiculed. Look at what OP said and how he was responded to.

 

[TotheMoon88]

False. I acknowledge things literally all the time.

I’ve acknowledged he gets teams off to a slow start. I’ve acknowledged his rotations are head-spinning. I’ve acknowledged he’s not an elite recruiter. I’ve acknowledged he’s not an elite defensive coach. Anyone familiar with my posts knows all that for a fact. On the other hand, anyone who says something that seems favorable about the guy, they get ridiculed. Look at what OP said and how he was responded to.

Because what he said made no sense. And you literally refuse to acknowledge that young has done a far better job than pope his first two years at fricking BYU

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Because what he said made no sense. And you literally refuse to acknowledge that young has done a far better job than pope his first two years at fricking BYU

I don’t think it’s analogous and I think it’s very disingenuous to make the comparison like I said. No one reasonable would try to draw lines there. Would be like comparing a Sun Belt team to an ACC team —- no one without an agenda thinks that is fair at all.

 

[TotheMoon88]

I don’t think it’s analogous and I think it’s very disingenuous to make the comparison like I said. No one reasonable would try to draw lines there. Would be like comparing a Sun Belt team to an ACC team —- no one without an agenda thinks that is fair at all.

Compare popes final year at byu to Kevin young’s first. You can’t honestly sit here and tell me that you think byu would be in a better spot with pope right now

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Compare popes final year at byu to Kevin young’s first. You can’t honestly sit here and tell me that you think byu would be in a better spot with pope right now

Bro…listen. I don’t think it’s analogous. Pope was helping usher a mid major into a high major conference. Did you know Pope’s BYU team was projected preseason that year to finish near the bottom of the Big XII? They massively overperformed. Next year, Young got to step into an established Big 12 school and had a relationship with Jazz owner and a huge influx of cash. It’s simply not analogous.

 

[TotheMoon88]

Bro…listen. I don’t think it’s analogous. Pope was helping usher a mid major into a high major conference. Did you know Pope’s BYU team was projected preseason that year to finish near the bottom of the Big XII? They massively overperformed. Next year, Young got to step into an established Big 12 school and had a relationship with Jazz owner and a huge influx of cash. It’s simply not analogous.

It’s not analogous because it makes pope look bad. Young at byu has outperformed pope at Kentucky where he has plenty of resources.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

It’s not analogous because it makes pope look bad. Young at byu has outperformed pope at Kentucky where he has plenty of resources.

I’m done arguing with you, man. You’re not even trying.

Pope bad…that’s all that matters. Good luck with the echo chamber stuff. This place is going to be a bundle of joy before long.

 

[TotheMoon88]

I’m done arguing with you, man. You’re not even trying.

Pope bad…that’s all that matters. Good luck with the echo chamber stuff. This place is going to be a bundle of joy before long.

Yeah figured you wouldn’t acknowledge that fact

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Yeah figured you wouldn’t acknowledge that fact

I already acknowledged Young has outperformed Pope this season. It was never being contested. That wasn’t enough for you so you try to draw an absurd comparison and rather than seeing the contrast between the two situations, you doubled down. I’m not wasting my time with it.

 

[TotheMoon88]

I already acknowledged Young has outperformed Pope this season. It was never being contested. That wasn’t enough for you so you try to draw an absurd comparison and rather than seeing the contrast between the two situations, you doubled down. I’m not wasting my time with it.

What absurd comparison? Two coaches at the same exact school in the same conference? It’s absurd because when young got there they had been in the big 12 for 1 year and that makes them an established team?

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

Can anybody picture Rupp coaching tyran stokes lol

 

[RunninRichie]

Pope's troops are desperate.

 

[RunninRichie]

Pope’s year one was preseason #23 and a lot of speculation as to whether we would even be a tournament team.

He got us to the same seed line as Calipari the year before who had multiple NBA players, one of them a top 3 pick, the #1 high school class and a 20ppg veteran guard and did it with a portal class that wasn’t great by any preseason prognostication. He’s having a bad year, but people are having to disregard year 1 and act like most of BBN didn’t have their own preseason expectations exceeded by a wide margin. Sweet sixteen with multiple rotation players out for the year — others banged up playing less than 90%. It was a remarkable job. Year 2? It stinks, no other way to put it. I think this was a learning experience for Pope. I still believe he can do massive things at Kentucky because I haven’t forgotten what he has already done.

He had the oldest team in college basketball.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

He had the oldest team in college basketball.

One, that is a red herring — has nothing to do with any of my points.

Two, it’s also false. Google search says BYU, Minnesota and Auburn were the oldest major conference basketball rosters in college basketball for the 2024-25 season.