In all the uproar over the gang members, this hasn't gotten enough attention. A lot of these people stuck their necks out to help our troops, and this is how we repay them. Why this story didn't replace the other gang deportations story is mind boggling to me.
Afghan Refugees
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The leaving was a cluster and almost zero vetting was done on those we did bring in. We likely got as many people who worked for AlQaeda and the Taliban as we did ones who helped us. Taliban had access to passports and other data so no telling who actually got in here.
A "Christian site" that nobody has ever heard of and that is maintained by a single person who appears to be Chinese. She doesn't even provide her full name. https://www.mnnonline.org/staff/
Anybody related to Pence is toxic when it comes to be critical of Trump.
The former manager. Oh, you mean somebody who could be bitter for no longer having the job?
I'm just saying.
What I don't understand about some of these deportation bleeding hearts is: Why is USA or bust?
Why can't any of these people apply for citizenship in literally any other country in the world? It doesn't mean that they will be accepted, but why do you act like it's only: 1) stay here in the USA under special status and be funded by the government for the rest of their life, or 2) be deported back to their country of origin? Those are really the only options that you can fathom?
In the case of 300 Afghan Christians, assuming that's a real issue, why aren't these resettlement non-profits trying to get them to a Christian community in Africa? Mexico has a large Christian community. Why not there?
Why can't any of these people apply for citizenship in literally any other country in the world? It doesn't mean that they will be accepted, but why do you act like it's only: 1) stay here in the USA under special status and be funded by the government for the rest of their life, or 2) be deported back to their country of origin? Those are really the only options that you can fathom?
In the case of 300 Afghan Christians, assuming that's a real issue, why aren't these resettlement non-profits trying to get them to a Christian community in Africa? Mexico has a large Christian community. Why not there?
Their lives are in jeopardy because they supported our military operations there. Doesn’t seem like a big cost to give shelter to 300 people that were willing to step up and help us.
We can get them shelter in Mexico with other Christians and a lower cost of living.
The war in Afghanistan was not solely a U.S. operation. There is no evidence that any of these people are actually Christian or directly supported the military.
I get that there should be gratitude for them.
The reality is that they have a religion and culture that could cause them to kill non-Muslims at pretty much any time. It happens everywhere that Islam goes.
Pay a Muslim ally to take them. Not here.
We scanned their damn retinas so we could ID them when they worked with us so when you say there is no evidence it sounds like you are ignoring some pretty obvious ****. Are we Mexican now? Why would we send someone to another country? Pay the debt to these folks. It’s the right thing to do.
Our biggest problems as citizens is thinking that everyone over there who helped us were just striving for democracy and freedom. Truth is that we paid people tons of money to work for us and some were legit but a great number of them would sell us out for the same amount of money. Culturally, do you think people who engage in child sex trafficking will ever make good US citizens? Some cultures just don't do well in modern western democracies.
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To the reader of these articles provided by the OP, there is no evidence that any of the group of "300 Christian refugees" in Des Moines, Iowa supported military operations. The stories and situations of all these Afghanis are being convoluted. They didn't all support military operations.
Yes, we should attempt to resettle Christian refugees who fear persecution in a Muslim-majority nation to another Christian-majority nation where the cost of living is lower (like Mexico). The U.S. does not owe anything to these people. They were brought here by non-profits like this one, and there is no evidence that these people are lifelong Christians or are converts that are playing the role of chameleon to maintain their free ride: https://www.afghanpartnersiniowa.org/
As for Afghanis who supported military operations, I'm not a fan of MOST of them being here either. They were trained to lead military efforts and to sustain stability after the eventual U.S. withdrawal. This didn't happen because the majority of the people we trained and armed abandoned their posts and ran. No thanks.
Who cares if they're Christian or not. Helping people isn't specific to a religion.
Read the articles provided. That is the basis for the argument against sending this particular group of refugees back to be religiously persecuted.
We would be helping them by relocating them to Mexico. Mexico is nice, no?
Aren’t we supposed to be the “home of the brave?”
We should be loyal to those who have supported us, even if that comes with potential risk. Throwing them all out because of concern about what one of them might do is a cowardly act.
Let’s not subject all of them to further hardship simply because we’re worried there might be a bad guy among them. We should be better than this and we should have more courage than this.
I agree, but you’d be surprised how many folks think everyone who belongs to a religion different from their own is beneath them/bad.
Humans have been doing it since the dawn of time. You’re seeing some of the broad generalizations in this thread.
lol. What?
How many Americans would you say are worth getting killed in the inevitable Islamic terror attacks that one of these guys would commit? 1? 10?
You’re being sarcastic, right?
How do you know that we haven't? We may have already expedited citizenship (under Biden) for people who have been loyal, but this particular segment affected by TPS ending may not have qualified.
Correct. I'm sorry, but didn't Jesus Christ say something about his in the Bible?
Do you honestly believe every member of the Muslim religion is a terrorist? If not, what is your estimated percentage.
I’m being sincere and not trying to flame or troll you.
No, He didn't specifically say that.
On the other hand, JC is HUGE in Mexico. Seems like refugees would fit right in there?
I'd say it's safe to say about 20% of muslims see terrorism as an acceptable tool to get results. Thats just in the US.
India and Pakistan are currently in a war. Pakistan was harboring terrorist who killed over 20 Hindu people just for being Hindu. After India took out the terrorist camps the Pakis attacked back. The problem with moderate muslims is that they often side with the radicals over moderates of other religions. Imagine hot being able to get along with Hindus.... LoL
I served in Iraq, and we often used Arabic speaking people as our translators. Many were from Jordan, Lebanon, or Kuwait. I would lay my life down for almost any of those guys, they really helped us out.
Out of all of the interpreters that we had, there was maybe only one who was shady and he was gone within two weeks. I find it funny that people are so quick to judge someone by a different color when they haven’t even lived in their culture or have even tried to begin to understand their plight.
Any interpreters who served and did their duty should be American citizens…
Out of all of the interpreters that we had, there was maybe only one who was shady and he was gone within two weeks. I find it funny that people are so quick to judge someone by a different color when they haven’t even lived in their culture or have even tried to begin to understand their plight.
Any interpreters who served and did their duty should be American citizens…
Even if they raped children?
Are you saying that being an interpreter for us would make someone who practices this is OK to be an American citizen?
I can't imagine trying to have a conservation with someone and that person letting photos, twitter links, and various random YouTube clips and videos do the talking for them. It's asking others to sift through your nonsense and respond to that as you hide behind links. Just constant links.
Person A: I have an opinion
Person B: I disagree and here's why: LINK LINK LINK LARGE PHOTO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO PHOTO LINK LINK
LOL
Person A: I have an opinion
Person B: I disagree and here's why: LINK LINK LINK LARGE PHOTO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO PHOTO LINK LINK
LOL
Yea. Imagine providing reason and insight to your beliefs instead of just pretending you know what you're talking about and pretending to be morally superior to everyone online.... That would be even worse.
Obviously there should be exceptions and vetting, but continue to ask retarded questions if you must.
That's kind of the point though.... almost none of the people who came over during the Afghan withdrawal was vetted due to how chaotic and unplanned the pullout was.