Allocating the minutes

[BeerPoisoning]

Even though Z was out tonight, playing time was dispersed in shocking ways. DeLaurier 27 minutes and Bolden only 10. Alex getting 34 minutes. Even seeing Vrank and Baker enter the game before Bolden saw minutes. Jack seeing 0 minutes....... Makes you wonder what GOAT has in mind lineup wise for when Z’s healthy after experimenting around tonight. Obviously the 4 freshmen are getting their minutes but who’s the 5th starter? 6th man? How much depth do we dig into? Outside of the 4 untouchable freshmen and their minutes, how would you allocate... let’s say, 60 minutes? 40 of those being for the 5th man on the floor and 15 total rest minutes for the diaper dandies.

Starters: Freshmen + AOC (25mpg)
This truly makes us positionless without a post disadvantage because of Z’s ability to play the 5 spot. Alex’s shooting potential demands respect and widens the pack-line or condensed zone, opening up cuts and attacking the basket. DeLaurier or Jack used as a sub when Alex is in (better D to offset Alex’s liability) and Bolden more heavily used when Alex sits.

Thoughts?
(I know, I probably love AOC a little too much)

 

[Kingbluedevil]

I like to see the bench players get more minutes. Some of the difference in the substitution pattern tonight was because of the Syracuse defense.

 

[hart2chesson]

I do not know about the exact allocation of minutes, but I also say we have about 7 starters when Z's healthy. I say this because you might see K GO SMALL w/AOC, or go big w/Marques or Javin. I will be very surprised if we see Jack start again this year. I see Joey as a vauable 8th man. Remember '15, "and Eight is Enough?"

OFC

 

[BeerPoisoning]

I like to see the bench players get more minutes. Some of the difference in the substitution pattern tonight was because of the Syracuse defense.

I think we’d all like to see that, but there’s only so many minutes. When the 4 freshmen are healthy, they virtually play the entire game. I don’t want to single out Reddish, but if I had to pick one to drop minutes off of - it’d be him. 34mpg in conference. How many of those minutes do you sacrifice?

 

[Shatterthesky22]

After the VT game we have 2 "gimme" games against Miami and Wake, I'd love to see something like this in those two games to get the bench going.

Starters:

Tre - 25 min
AOC - 20 min
RJ -25 min
Zion?/ Delaurier - 20 min
Bolden - 20 min

Bench:

Goldwire- 15 min
Cam - 20 min
Jack - 20 min
Baker- 20 min
Zion/ Delaurier 20 min

I know my minutes distribution isn't exactly right but that's just to give a general idea of what I'd like to see in those two games where we won't have to lean on the starters as much. The reason I moved Cam to the bench is because I feel like he plays better when he has the ball in his hands and is initiating the offense as opposed to catch and shoot, and could give our bench some serious firepower that way. I just feel that if we use these two games as early season games for the bench it could pay big dividends come tourney time, and who knows, maybe AOC or Baker can become that reliable 4th option and shooter we desperately need, and an even bigger maybe, we can jolt the Big Aussie back to life.

 

[Buzzooka Joe]

After the VT game we have 2 "gimme" games against Miami and Wake, I'd love to see something like this in those two games to get the bench going.

Starters:

Tre - 25 min
AOC - 20 min
RJ -25 min
Zion?/ Delaurier - 20 min
Bolden - 20 min

Bench:

Goldwire- 15 min
Cam - 20 min
Jack - 20 min
Baker- 20 min
Zion/ Delaurier 20 min

I know my minutes distribution isn't exactly right but that's just to give a general idea of what I'd like to see in those two games where we won't have to lean on the starters as much. The reason I moved Cam to the bench is because I feel like he plays better when he has the ball in his hands and is initiating the offense as opposed to catch and shoot, and could give our bench some serious firepower that way. I just feel that if we use these two games as early season games for the bench it could pay big dividends come tourney time, and who knows, maybe AOC or Baker can become that reliable 4th option and shooter we desperately need, and an even bigger maybe, we can jolt the Big Aussie back to life.

That would be great to give the bench/role players that many minutes.. but there is about a 0% chance of it happening..

Tre and RJ usually play the entire game.. and neither have played less than 32 minutes in a game since we played Princeton.. Cam hasn’t played less than 32 minutes since January 8th against Wake.. those 3 are going to play 32+ minutes no matter what..

 

[PatrickYates]

Cam Reddish is one of the more naturally talented freshman we've ever had. Combining his amazing D, with his capable O, and you have a guy who is better than a large majority of the players we've had in the OAD era. I mean that his play this season is better than most of that of the other players in the last 5-6 years, regardless of class.
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And he is a distant 3rd to the other two frosh forwards.
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Point being, ride those horses. RJ is good for 38+ mpg, so that is how many he should play. Cam and Zion are good for34+ mpg, so that is how many they should play. Tre probably needs to stay under 36, but more than 33-34 (a tight window, I know).
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These guys are amazing. And they won't be here next year. But they will be great players (the 3 Fs anyway) for the next 12-20 years in the NBA. This team, and these guys, will be K's "legacy." By that, I mean they are the guys Duke will point to when we are recruiting. We've got 2 guys that can be K's Michael Jordan for future generations. And it is important that they win, while putting gup monster numbers. To further cement them in peoples' minds when those people think of Duke or those players.
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Ergo, we need to win, as impressively as possible. And if those guys have to play big minutes to achieve that, fine.

 

[Shatterthesky22]

That would be great to give the bench/role players that many minutes.. but there is about a 0% chance of it happening..

Tre and RJ usually play the entire game.. and neither have played less than 32 minutes in a game since we played Princeton.. Cam hasn’t played less than 32 minutes since January 8th against Wake.. those 3 are going to play 32+ minutes no matter what..

Yeah I know it isn't going to happen, I would just love to see it. I wouldn't care if we only win those two games by 10 points if it means we develop our bench quite a bit.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

After the VT game we have 2 "gimme" games against Miami and Wake, I'd love to see something like this in those two games to get the bench going.

Starters:

Tre - 25 min
AOC - 20 min
RJ -25 min
Zion?/ Delaurier - 20 min
Bolden - 20 min

Bench:

Goldwire- 15 min
Cam - 20 min
Jack - 20 min
Baker- 20 min
Zion/ Delaurier 20 min

I know my minutes distribution isn't exactly right but that's just to give a general idea of what I'd like to see in those two games where we won't have to lean on the starters as much. The reason I moved Cam to the bench is because I feel like he plays better when he has the ball in his hands and is initiating the offense as opposed to catch and shoot, and could give our bench some serious firepower that way. I just feel that if we use these two games as early season games for the bench it could pay big dividends come tourney time, and who knows, maybe AOC or Baker can become that reliable 4th option and shooter we desperately need, and an even bigger maybe, we can jolt the Big Aussie back to life.

I don’t see any sense in giving JG minutes. We know he’s a good defensive guard that provides virtually no offense. He’s useful for full-court traps or some extra defensive wing pressure. I say this with all due respect to him. Just calling a spade a spade.

Definitely would love to see Baker get a solid 20 minutes so I can make a fair assessment on the kid. We burned the redshirt, let’s see what we got!!! Watching him play 5 minutes is like getting a new toy and not being able to mess with it. I’m ready to see his game.

 

[Shatterthesky22]

I don’t see any sense in giving JG minutes. We know he’s a good defensive guard that provides virtually no offense. He’s useful for full-court traps or some extra defensive wing pressure. I say this with all due respect to him. Just calling a spade a spade.

Definitely would love to see Baker get a solid 20 minutes so I can make a fair assessment on the kid. We burned the redshirt, let’s see what we got!!! Watching him play 5 minutes is like getting a new toy and not being able to mess with it. I’m ready to see his game.

Goldwire doesn't have to score himself to provide offense. I want to see him just run the offense and take of the ball for a while. We're going to him to be able to spell Tre in the tourney, and we could use a good distributor next year, so why not give him the chance in two games we'll win regardless ? Agree on Baker. I want to see him get some real burn. Apparently he can light it up from deep well, guess what K, we need someone who can! lol

 

[Mac9192]

There's 4 guys that will play almost the whole game. Baker will probably see some good minutes the next couple games to see how he will fit and let him get some game action.

Minutes for the others will be on a game by game basis.

 

[dukebluesTX]

K likes his top 6-7 (occasionally 8 in some games) every season. I don't ever see that changing.

 

[chov1125]

K may like 6-7 per game but it doesn’t need to be the same 6-7 every game. If we need some shooting AOC, Joey may get some burn. If we need rebounding or toughness, Jack. If we need press defense, Jordan. Depending on our opponent we can allocate minutes based on need.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

Due to this team having such massive strengths and also some glaring weaknesses. I think the minutes distribution should almost be allocated on a game-by-game basis and also dependant on who the opponent is.

The 4 freshman are all gonna see 30+ minutes unless something crazy happens. I actually think Tre's minutes should go down a bit, but save that for another day.
For example: if we come out firing and hitting from 3 (see the UK or @UVA game) than I'm not so sure Alex needs to play much.
If we are ice-cold, than we need Alex in the game a lot more.
If a team plays zone, Alex should play over 20 minutes.

If our defensive intensity is lacking or if the opponent has 2 really good guards, than Goldwire should get more burn.
Jack?? I don't know, he needs to make shots again or else he shouldn't really be playing.
Will Baker now take all of Jack's minutes??
I've spent all year trying to figure out when it's best to use Marques or Javin, and I'm still clueless. I personally think Marques is much better but he can still occasionally be lazy which is not a worry with Javin.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

Due to this team having such massive strengths and also some glaring weaknesses. I think the minutes distribution should almost be allocated on a game-by-game basis and also dependant on who the opponent is.

The 4 freshman are all gonna see 30+ minutes unless something crazy happens. I actually think Tre's minutes should go down a bit, but save that for another day.
For example: if we come out firing and hitting from 3 (see the UK or @UVA game) than I'm not so sure Alex needs to play much.
If we are ice-cold, than we need Alex in the game a lot more.
If a team plays zone, Alex should play over 20 minutes.

If our defensive intensity is lacking or if the opponent has 2 really good guards, than Goldwire should get more burn.
Jack?? I don't know, he needs to make shots again or else he shouldn't really be playing.
Will Baker now take all of Jack's minutes??
I've spent all year trying to figure out when it's best to use Marques or Javin, and I'm still clueless. I personally think Marques is much better but he can still occasionally be lazy which is not a worry with Javin.

Great post, I couldn’t agree more.

Jack is a touchy subject. Even aside from his shooting woes, he has had some questionable defensive performances in conference. Butterfingers on the glass too. I’m not sure if his confidence is drained or if he was just somehow playing above his capabilities before ACC play.

Marques is better than Javin offensively. I love Javin’s hustle and defense but he may be the most inept offensive player in Duke history. When it comes to defense and rebounding, Javin is consistent. He’s a great pesky defender and a pretty good rebounder. I feel like Marques isn’t as good defensively and his rebounding ability is the same as Javin’s. The thing that bothers me about Marques is his different levels of intensity. When he’s amped up, his defense is amazing and he’s snag God. But that’s what bothers me... Effort should always be 110% - Not wishy washy.