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jwheat

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Have absolutely skyrocketed since the rona. I just got 1k 5.56 green tips for tad over .40 per round. Many people are asking close to $1 per round right now for those


https://www.wikiarms.com/group/223

Best prices I have seen are from sportsman’s guide. That link is set up for 223/5.56 but you can pick whatever you are looking for at the top left
 

mashburned

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.40cpr is as good as it gets for .223/5.56.
.30cpr is 9mm.

Cabelas/basspro is where I’ve had luck. They actually have/had Herters 9mm for .20.
 
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Gun nuts can be scared into making a run on ammo all the time. It's what the NRAs main objective is. It's not to keep guns legal. It's to scare cowards into hoarding them because they'll be illegal and the Chicagoans might come get them. Gun companies keep those donations coming for it.
 
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jwheat

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.40cpr is as good as it gets for .223/5.56.
.30cpr is 9mm.

Cabelas/basspro is where I’ve had luck. They actually have/had Herters 9mm for .20.
If you don’t mind shooting steel through your AR you can get them closer to .25. My AK eats steel up like it’s gourmet
 

jwheat

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I regret not having an AK. What kind do you have?

I have some Wolf .223. It woks, and cant beat the price.
Converted saiga. I love it tbh. Much more than my ARs. It’s just so damn easy to make an AR exactly how you want it with minimal tools. AKs are a completely different beas

edit: my next trump bucks may go towards another AK
 
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Gun nuts can be scared into making a run on ammo all the time. It's what the NRAs main objective is. It's not to keep guns legal. It's to scare cowards into hoarding them because they'll be illegal and the Chicagoans might come get them. Gun companies keep those donations coming for it.
Well put.
 

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Converted saiga. I love it tbh. Much more than my ARs. It’s just so damn easy to make an AR exactly how you want it with minimal tools. AKs are a completely different beas

edit: my next trump bucks may go towards another AK



The Zastava’s have been drawing rave reviews. Unless you’re wanting American made......which supposedly are improving rapidly.
 

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I’ve gone from not owning a gun to being up at 6am trying to find ammo in about a month. I’m not having very much luck with 380 and 9 mm.
 

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After the last 22 shortage, I started slowly stocking up. Between 22,9mm, 22 mag, 223 and 556 I have over 20,000 rounds. I vowed to not be caught flat footed again. I think the main reason is that millions of guns have been sold since the riots started. They need ammo too.
 

BlueRaider22

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I’ve gone from not owning a gun to being up at 6am trying to find ammo in about a month. I’m not having very much luck with 380 and 9 mm.


For right now, just get "enough." Now, certainly, "enough" is subjective to the individual. After all of this calms down, then buy at much better prices.....stock up. They say that ammo lasts 10 yrs........but in reality if stored properly it'll last a lot longer than that......a lot.

I keep a cache of ammo on hand, shoot the oldest stuff, and buy to keep up the stock. In times like this I buy very little.
 

jwheat

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For right now, just get "enough." Now, certainly, "enough" is subjective to the individual. After all of this calms down, then buy at much better prices.....stock up. They say that ammo lasts 10 yrs........but in reality if stored properly it'll last a lot longer than that......a lot.

I keep a cache of ammo on hand, shoot the oldest stuff, and buy to keep up the stock. In times like this I buy very little.
How do you store yours? I have a mix between wooden crates and ammo cans right now.
 

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My assumption is the increase is probably due to, according to our resident legal savant in the other thread, it now being legal to break into anyone's house unnarmed and just take whatever you want without the possibility of firearm reprisal from the homeowner. Seems legit.
 

BlueRaider22

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How do you store yours? I have a mix between wooden crates and ammo cans right now.


I'm not a model of perfection when it comes to ammo storage. I've always gone under the thought of "cool, dark, and dry." Other than that, I don't worry much.

-Cool - I've always thought that my home is climate controlled enough to qualify as "cool."

-Dark - I keep my guns in my safe......but next to it is a locker which is where I keep ammo, ear/eye pro, etc.

-Dry - This is probably something that I need to improve upon. My storage is in our finished basement. Like many basements, the humidity is higher down there. But, as I said earlier that I shoot my old ammo......so, I've never had any issues with it going bad.
 

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I've always heard that you shouldn't use steel cased ammo in an AR, but an AK eats it without causing any problems. I don't have an AK (yet), but have 3 ARs, 2 home builds and one Daniel Defense. The steel cased ammo costs a lot less, but does it eff up your rifle? Limited amounts only? Anybody have any experience on this?
 
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I've always heard that you shouldn't use steel cased ammo in an AR, but an AK eats it without causing any problems. I don't have an AK (yet), but have 3 ARs, 2 home builds and one Daniel Defense. The steel cased ammo costs a lot less, but does it eff up your rifle? Limited amounts only? Anybody have any experience on this?



The debate rages on. "AR + Steel case = bad"

Here are the crib note: It used to matter, now it really doesn't matter too much. Although people sure like to talk like it does.


Now the geeky stuff.

A long time ago steel cased was more corrosive and caused too much wear on the barrel, chamber, and extractor. Also, earlier AR part designs often led to some reliability issues with steel cased.

However, things have changed a lot. You have to shoot in upwards of 10,000 rounds before you start to notice the difference in wear between brass and steel. And as far as reliability, generally speaking the better the brand and parts on the AR reliability pretty much becomes a non-factor.



https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/


https://www.pewpewtactical.com/brass-vs-steel-ammo/
 

mashburned

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The Zastava’s have been drawing rave reviews. Unless you’re wanting American made......which supposedly are improving rapidly.

Yea, some places had those Zastava ZPAP’s in last week. They lasted minutes. Seemed pretty pricey. $800-$1000. I’ll try and wait till things get back to “normal”, though I don’t think AK prices will really ever be low.

The Palmetto State AK’s seems promising, but it’s still an American AK. Having an AK with a FN barrel would be kind of cool.
 
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Yea, some places had those Zastava ZPAP’s in last week. They lasted minutes. Seemed pretty pricey. $800-$1000. I’ll try and wait till things get back to “normal”, though I don’t think AK prices will really ever be low.

The Palmetto State AK’s seems promising, but it’s still an American AK. Having an AK with a FN barrel would be kind of cool.


Supposedly the Zpaps are just a shade below in quality from the Arsenals. If quality is that good, it’ll be worth the price.

The American brands have really improved from what I’ve heard. PSA supposedly was so-so when they first came out but apparently have gotten very good.
 

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Supposedly the Zpaps are just a shade below in quality from the Arsenals. If quality is that good, it’ll be worth the price.

The American brands have really improved from what I’ve heard. PSA supposedly was so-so when they first came out but apparently have gotten very good.
psa makes a much better AK than they do AR. I’ll likely end up with one at some point. It I want a zpap
 
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I just bought a Glock 43 yesterday for my dads birthday. Paid double what I paid for mine a year or two ago. Had to buy on gunbroker none of the stores can get them.

Still worth it.
 

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Supposedly the Zpaps are just a shade below in quality from the Arsenals. If quality is that good, it’ll be worth the price.

The American brands have really improved from what I’ve heard. PSA supposedly was so-so when they first came out but apparently have gotten very good.
Caution your thinking on "American brand" here. Using Arsenal as the example for my response: their business model is excellent. However they import as kits from Bulgaria all off their primary components: milled receivers, barrels, rear sight block, trunnions, bolts / carriers. Other parts are re-used on many models: gas tubes, pistons, sight blocks, gas blocks. Not a thing is wrong with any of this. Their main concern when "building" (which means re-assembling and doing some customizing + finish work) is compliance with 922r . . . a nuisance law on importing firearms, which means if you made a change to an import such that it does not / no longer meet the definition of a "sporting rifle / shotgun" it must have a minimum of 10 parts made in the U.S. So Arsenal replaces the trigger group, butt stock, US made pistol grip . . . floor plate, and follower count . . . anyway, it has to add up to 10. These are Bulgarian milled AKs, customized in the US, in Nevada, by Arsenal, and are, yes, probably a shade better than Zastavas, which many of those are quite good. Pistol models are outstanding. Wear your hearing protection.

Caveats to everything . . . I am suspicious that the current production at Arsenal may be affected by CV-19, as the only kits I've seen available for several months (Apex) are a pair of expensive Russian kits original to one of two famous Russian (Soviet) weapons plants.

Which brings me to another point of emphasis about Arsenal concerning their slightly older "builds". Arsenal only began producing from Bulgarian milled when the market for Russian Saiga's dried up several years ago. Obama banned the further import of Saiga products following Russia's invasion of Crimea. The American AR industry should get down on their hands an knees an thank Obama for doing this. You used to be able to buy a sporter Saiga for $350. And for another $350 convert it yourself and have a tricked out AK that would perform equal to the highest of high quality US built ARs. So . . . point being, if you find an older Arsenal converted from a Russian Saiga, those are among the best quality AKs (although semi-auto and not really an AK) that you will ever see or hear about.
 
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Caution your thinking on "American brand" here. Using Arsenal as the example for my response: their business model is excellent. However they import as kits from Bulgaria all off their primary components: milled receivers, barrels, rear sight block, trunnions, bolts / carriers. Other parts are re-used on many models: gas tubes, pistons, sight blocks, gas blocks. Not a thing is wrong with any of this. Their main concern when "building" (which means re-assembling and doing some customizing + finish work) is compliance with 922r . . . a nuisance law on importing firearms, which means if you made a change to an import such that it does not / no longer meet the definition of a "sporting rifle / shotgun" it must have a minimum of 10 parts made in the U.S. So Arsenal replaces the trigger group, butt stock, US made pistol grip . . . floor plate, and follower count . . . anyway, it has to add up to 10. These are Bulgarian milled AKs, customized in the US, in Nevada, by Arsenal, and are, yes, probably a shade better than Zastavas, which many of those are quite good. Pistol models are outstanding. Wear your hearing protection.

Caveats to everything . . . I am suspicious that the current production at Arsenal may be affected by CV-19, as the only kits I've seen available for several months (Apex) are a pair of expensive Russian kits original to one of two famous Russian (Soviet) weapons plants.

Which brings me to another point of emphasis about Arsenal concerning their slightly older "builds". Arsenal only began producing from Bulgarian milled when the market for Russian Saiga's dried up several years ago. Obama banned the further import of Saiga products following Russia's invasion of Crimea. The American AR industry should get down on their hands an knees an thank Obama for doing this. You used to be able to buy a sporter Saiga for $350. And for another $350 convert it yourself and have a tricked out AK that would perform equal to the highest of high quality US built ARs. So . . . point being, if you find an older Arsenal converted from a Russian Saiga, those are among the best quality AKs (although semi-auto and not really an AK) that you will ever see or hear about.
So what you’re telling me is my izhmash is sick af
 
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That’s what it sounds like. Thank Obama for your sick *** AK that can no longer be bought.
 

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That’s what it sounds like. Thank Obama for your sick *** AK that can no longer be bought.
Two-way street on that. His administration also banned the import of 5.45 steel core ammo. Prior to both bans, a fully converted Saiga in 5.45 was worth some real cash compared to a 7.62 x 39 (or a .223 . . . which is actually chambered for 5.56). Prior to the bans you might have seen some fully converted 5.45s go for $2k. Not bad for a sporter that someone bought for $400 or so, spent no more converting. But after the bans the prices on 5.45s fell hard.
 

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Caution your thinking on "American brand" here. Using Arsenal as the example for my response: their business model is excellent. However they import as kits from Bulgaria all off their primary components: milled receivers, barrels, rear sight block, trunnions, bolts / carriers. Other parts are re-used on many models: gas tubes, pistons, sight blocks, gas blocks. Not a thing is wrong with any of this. Their main concern when "building" (which means re-assembling and doing some customizing + finish work) is compliance with 922r . . . a nuisance law on importing firearms, which means if you made a change to an import such that it does not / no longer meet the definition of a "sporting rifle / shotgun" it must have a minimum of 10 parts made in the U.S. So Arsenal replaces the trigger group, butt stock, US made pistol grip . . . floor plate, and follower count . . . anyway, it has to add up to 10. These are Bulgarian milled AKs, customized in the US, in Nevada, by Arsenal, and are, yes, probably a shade better than Zastavas, which many of those are quite good. Pistol models are outstanding. Wear your hearing protection.

Caveats to everything . . . I am suspicious that the current production at Arsenal may be affected by CV-19, as the only kits I've seen available for several months (Apex) are a pair of expensive Russian kits original to one of two famous Russian (Soviet) weapons plants.

Which brings me to another point of emphasis about Arsenal concerning their slightly older "builds". Arsenal only began producing from Bulgarian milled when the market for Russian Saiga's dried up several years ago. Obama banned the further import of Saiga products following Russia's invasion of Crimea. The American AR industry should get down on their hands an knees an thank Obama for doing this. You used to be able to buy a sporter Saiga for $350. And for another $350 convert it yourself and have a tricked out AK that would perform equal to the highest of high quality US built ARs. So . . . point being, if you find an older Arsenal converted from a Russian Saiga, those are among the best quality AKs (although semi-auto and not really an AK) that you will ever see or hear about.




Oh no, no. I wasn’t saying Arsenal was an American brand. My post had 2 separate comments. The first was saying that Arsenal and Zastava (imports) are the upper graded AKs. The 2nd comment was in regards to the American made AKs......PSA, Kalash USA, etc.


Your post is spot on though.
 
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