An exclusive look at how the Bush administration ignored this warning from the CIA months before 9/1
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It's one thing to say something is going to happen, it's another to know how. To say it's coming here, without how they are going to do it, is to pass the buck. It was the analyst's job to find out where and how. there was nothing there to say that they had any real specific info. Would you then agree that Col North's testimony about Bin Laden being the most dangerous individual that he knew of was just as important? He named him in congressional hearing in the late 80's.
W had 7 years to kill bin laden. At one point not long after 9-11, he said he didn't think about him much anymore. Shall I find the actual quote? But Obama got it done-as he promised he would.
The bottom line here is this, W and his administration allowed 3000 Americans to be killed on American soil. I'll concede that the environment at the time was different than it is now. But they were warned and warned repeatedly. Richard Clarke's book documents that. Now this Politico piece echoes it. Since 9-11, both the W and Obama admins did(have done) a good job of keeping America safe. Yet, now with this Paris bombing, suddenly the wingnuts are out in full force pointing to a "weak" Obama as the reason. And the bodies aren't even cold yet. I didn't hear these same people blaming W for the London subway bombing in 2005 where 53 were killed. Or the Madrid train bombings in 2004 where 191 were killed. Why is that? You people truly are a pathetic lot. You continually give the man no credit and all the blame all the time. Shame you you.
Again, being warned that they are going to hit us, and in a vague warning that it's going to be here, isn't conclusive. They knew? how about going back to FDR's blockade of japan. Anyone with half a brain knew that japan was going to attack, do you blame FDR? That led to many more deaths than 3,000. Led to a World war? Where do you want to take this? Do we blame Bush1, Clinton for not taking out Bin Laden/ Clinton had him but chose not to. Where do you want it to end?
Obama doesn't want to confront radical islam. that's his prerogative. I'm not sure anything is going to get better until we convince all the ME that they need to clean up their act or we will start eliminating large areas of their countries. It's our was of life that is at stake too.
And another thing, without W's decision to invade Iraq (which has been shown to be for illegitimate reasons) there would be no ISIS. Iraq would not be a haven for terrorists. Syria would not be in a civil war providing another haven for ISIS, W's neocon buddies helped create ISIS. ISIS didn't even exist before we went into Iraq.
Laugh - you're reaching
If Obama didn't punt Iraq and if Obama had an actual plan to replace Assad (instead of empty threats) maybe we wouldn't be where we are at today. But, ISIS came to power during Obama's term, Obama is the one that down played the threat, and Obama is the one that caused the power vacuum I Syria.
How can you say that with a straight face? Have we not been bombing the hell out of those guys in Syria? Did we not just conduct an operation to kill the butcher? Do we not regularly conduct special ops raids to kill ISIS leaders? Obama has killled more of al qaeda leadership than W's admin. Those are facts. If you read the end of the politico story, you see the issue that tenet (I believe) brings up about creating more terrorists. That is the line that Obama is walking. Kill them without creating more of them to kill. It ain't all black and white like some of you think it is. I suppose we could adopt your suggestion and kill all Muslims just like Hitler wanted to kill all Jews. But is that who we want to be? Are those the values we stand for/
You my friend are a ATTENTION ***** extraordinarre. Plus clueless too.
We need to do everything and anything to get them to understand that when push comes to shove,we can eradicate the cesspool that is the ME. Let Saudia Arabia, Kuwaiit et al, we will not stop until it ends. That can be done with diplomacy as long as the commander in chief backs it up. Obama has lost almost all his credibility with foreign govts though.
This struggle will be with us no matter who is President for as long as we both live as long as there are religious zealots who are willing to blow themselves up in order to kill innocents. We've done a great job as a country of preventing attacks here. And we have killed a lot of them over there. You need intel to do that just like we needed intel to kill bin laden. But we have a ways to go and no doubt there is a lot we can improve on. And I'd imagine that we will. But there will be more attacks no matter if we unleash the whole Army and Air Force. They don't seem to mind dying to further their cause. That is hard to stop. Regardless, we are going after them. The jihadi john guy was waxed. And just before the Paris attacks, the US killed the other isis mouthpiece who killed the coptic christians in the video on the beach in Libya. Pretty amazing that they can track these people down-hoods and all. Short of invading (and we ultimately may do just that), not sure we could be doing much better.
Who is pathetic? I mean the bodies in Paris are not buried and here you are playing politics. Thankfully your hero had ISIS contained or that could have been ugly.