Analysis of the Core 8s TV numbers from Baylor
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You‘re such a delusional punk
. You offer nothing other than providing googled talkin head links. You were wrong several years ago and Greg provided inside negotiated info. Real easy to go back and fact check. You, expansion boy, showed up again a few weeks ago when the news of Texas/Oklahoma came down. You haven’t called one thing this time either goofball. Actually Greg posted early and often about mergers and alliances while you were talkin BigTen and SEC. You are useful in providing talkin point links but stop with the dot connecting expertise routine you puke 
out onto the site. Greg actually posted a week or two ago about how quiet his contacts were and that something may be up. Then BOOM you get to provide fresh links on something that may come down in a short time. You know.......a merger/alliance of resources. Ummmm.....wonder who posted that early and often.You are a troll, a liar, and quite possibly insane.You‘re such a delusional punk
Everything I've said was accurate at the time it was stated by myself.
and BTW, Discussing news articles is not me "calling" anything, its discussing news articles. So if you don't like FACTS or NEWS loony boy, then don't read. Obviously you have no comprehension skills since you think if I post an article, that its the same thing as myself stating something?! What kind of idiot would think that?! You obviously are more than a bit off the deep end.
Never ceases to amaze how you jackasses constantly drive yourself into frenzied rages every time I post something, then rush back to try to tell everyone not to pay any attention to me because I'm always wrong, blah blah blah.
If I'm always wrong then WTF are you so worried about?
Well I guess your lying @$$ better tell the BIG 12, Big Ten, ACC and PAC that--because 3 of them are forming an alliance against your beloved traitors because of what they did behind everyone's back, and the other is waiting for them to dole out hundreds of millions of $$ for the damage their lying @$$es have caused.
What a nutjob.
For anyone else that hasn't checked out completely from this board due to the troll garbage here, its pretty funny these bot/trolls are so angry when any positive facts about WVU and/or the BIG 12 conference are presented.
Notice they talk alot of $h!t about the numbers, but they haven't actually presented ANYTHING to dispute the numbers (because of course they can't)--so they've decided to come after me like a loony Trump supporter trying to overthrow the United States.
Classic troll derailing and deflection.
Notice they talk alot of $h!t about the numbers, but they haven't actually presented ANYTHING to dispute the numbers (because of course they can't)--so they've decided to come after me like a loony Trump supporter trying to overthrow the United States.
Classic troll derailing and deflection.
“Discussing” is one thing. Your arrogant OPINIONS are another. You’ve stated many things goofball. Actually just about every talkin head thing you post is followed with your remedial thoughts about what the author means. I have zero doubt you’ve misrepresented the talkin heads many times. The rest of your post is jibberish and is emotional and uncalled for nonsense.
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See what I mean........
You are a smug little douche that thinks you know more than the next guy.
Hey Greggy is this you.
Shouldn’t have put your husband in that position
Pittsburgh racist as hell. Black guy gets jumped on by 2 white people and they kick the black guy out
Shouldn’t have put your husband in that position
Pittsburgh racist as hell. Black guy gets jumped on by 2 white people and they kick the black guy out
The numbers aren't the problem. It's the conclusions. At the end of the article, this author compares the ratings of the Remaining 8 to the ACC without Miami/Clemson/Florida St, the Big Ten without Ohio St/Michigan/Penn St, the Pac 12 without Texas/Oklahoma, and the SEC without Alabama/LSU/Florida. The problem, the other conferences aren't losing those schools. What matters is the comparison of the Remaining 8 to the other conferences with all those schools.
Hey Greggy is this you.
Shouldn’t have put your husband in that position
Pittsburgh racist as hell. Black guy gets jumped on by 2 white people and they kick the black guy out
Your racist baiting projection is disgusting you POS.
And BIG 12 schools aren't going to just be playing themselves, and OU/UT didn't get their ratings just from themselves either.
Goes both ways. Some attempt to cut out ONLY things representing positives for the Core 8 schools in the BIG 12.
Texas could have left a decade ago but ESPN kept the conference together by giving them the Longhorn Network.
Like it or not, the B12 wasnt/isnt sustainable. No power school was going to get involved in that mess when they already had stability, and there is no non-power school that would have done anything to give what Texas/OU need.
Those aren't being cut out. For example, if Oklahoma st plays UCLA, then that was still calculated. That's fine. However, it's not reasonable to remove the ratings for teams from the other conferences just to make the comparison look better. That's not accurate because the other conferences aren't losing those schools.
The BIG 12 has --going forward 8 schools. Say they remain together as an 8 team conference. They will play 5 OOC foes and you can bet that several of those are going to be power schools, at least one a year up there with the OUs and especially the UTs of the world.
Pretending that OU/UT are removed from the schedule and no one is replacing them is ---you got it, cutting teams out for BIG 12 schools.
It is absolutely reasonable to look at schools in other conferences without the top 20% schedule in their conference--which also drives a good portion of THEIR ratings, if you are trying to claim BIG 12 schools "have no value". You compare apples to apples. What does an ACC school look like not playing Clemson and whatever other two teams are driving the top 20% of their ratings? Same for Big Ten, SEC, PAC etc. otherwise you are giving a false diluted take on the BIG 12 schools.
I mean, if WVU plays i.e. Penn State, UCLA, VT and 7 BIG 12 schools along with a couple G5--their ratings are NOT going to be 50% reduced from if they had played OU/UT instead of PSU, UCLA and VT. In fact, they may be BETTER overall.
The only thing that made the BIG 12 not sustainable is that UT didn't want it to be, and to a more recent extent Oklahoma after UT kaibashed expansion and a conference wide network.
The BIG 12 could have been proactive and for the existing members it should have been--the added schools would have been members of the party for half a decade now and it would be very difficult for anyone to be claiming they didn't belong anywhere as the attempt currently is.
Texas made sure it was not proactive and successful long term.
The reality is the B12 died a decade ago and Texas extended the conferences life longer, which probably benefited WVU more than any other university considering the situation we were in back then.
If we would have added more schools back then, it would have just diluted our paychecks and we'd still be in the same situation we are in today - so same outcome but with less money.
Texas and Oklahoma are going to make $20 - $50 million more PER YEAR in the SEC (and the money will grow). There is really no logical argument to make them to stay because there isnt an option the B12 can provide them that gives that same paycheck, and the security of being in the most powerful and competitive conferences....they just have a better deal that no one else can match.
A B12 Network probably wasn't going to happen. You only have Texas, Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas and WV to push the network...the footprint is too small.
The point is, you don't have to see what the ACC looks like without Clemson, or what the SEC looks like without Alabama, because these schools aren't leaving the conference.
Nobody is saying the remaining schools have "no value." They are saying the value of the conference will be significantly diminished when Texas and Oklahoma leave, and that's true. Even Bob Bowlsby said that was 50% of the Big 12's value. That's not me saying that, or social media saying that. It's the commissioner of the Big 12 himself saying that.
The issue with your argument is that playing some OOC games does not in any way make up for the loss of two programs. Again, that's why Bowlsby made that statement.
Aside from that, you also can't overlook the fact that the remaining 8 schools are playing OOC games now. You aren't starting from zero. Some of that value is already factored in. That said, it's simply not realistic to suggest that simply playing OOC games brings that much value. If that was the case, then conferences wouldn't need to expand. They would just play more OOC games.
Again, nobody is saying the remaining schools have no value. The problem is the conference as a whole loses a lot of value with Texas and Oklahoma. Even the commissioner says so.
Hey Greggy is this you.
Shouldn’t have put your husband in that position
Pittsburgh racist as hell. Black guy gets jumped on by 2 white people and they kick the black guy out
The black guy was punching the mans girl friend. I guess that is acceptable to the woke crowd like yourself.
She actually put up a better fight than her boy friend. Guessing he voted for O'Biden.
You‘re lying to yourself if you think Oklahoma and/or Texas needs the Little8 in any way. Your post is mindless homer garbage.
Guy was trying to grab her titties in the end after he knocked out her husband and was pushing her to the seat.
Should have kept her mouth shut and if she couldn’t at least keep your hands off people.
Females think they can slap someone without repercussions
Should have kept her mouth shut and if she couldn’t at least keep your hands off people.
Females think they can slap someone without repercussions
It's people like you that fill the world with hate. How much do you like Biden the man you voted for? I'm guessing you gave him a standing ovation for his evacuation of Afghanistan.
Don’t care about that nonsense
Trump is such a joke that we have Biden as President now.
Hate?
People are racist. This is well known.
But racism comes out in other ways.
Very easily to blame the black man because blacks commit the majority of crimes
Or at least this is how people think
Yes, plenty have claimed the remaining 8 have no value or greatly reduced value--because they are pretending these schools will only play a 7 game schedule from here on out.
If you are going to say Y or Z has no value or are devalued by not playing A and B--and you are comparing them apples to apples with everyone in between, then you have to use the same information to value each school.
If i.e. you are comparing Virginia to Oklahoma State, you can't take just a portion of Oklahoma State's schedule but use the entirety of Virginia's schedule to say UVA has worth but OK State has less worth--because there isn't going to ever be a time when OK State plays just a 7 game schedule.
They will REPLACE OU/UT with other schools on their schedule in or out of conference.
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Biden is president because people like you voted for him. The way you are posting right now is racist.Don’t care about that nonsense
Trump is such a joke that we have Biden as President now.
Hate?
People are racist. This is well known.
But racism comes out in other ways.
Very easily to blame the black man because blacks commit the majority of crimes
Or at least this is how people think
Terrible that TVZ doesn't care about America. You communist pinko bastard.
Biden is President because Trump was terrible
if you cannot accept this don’t know what to tell you
Never said he wasn't terrible. I was educated enough to know Biden was a fraud with Dementia.
Have fun playing AAC schedule homer. Let’s see what the pay day and ratings ends up being.
Both suck
But the guy with dementia is better because he is too stupid to do anything
Trump on the other hand felt th this country should be ran like his business
Why CEOs especially ones that have ultimate power make bad politicians
Government doesn’t work like that
You don’t have that much power
This is the problem. You aren't comparing Virginia to Oklahoma St. You are comparing the value of the conferences as a whole. Comparing the Big 12 without Texas & Oklahoma to the SEC without Alabama and Florida is not apple's to apple's, because the SEC is not losing those teams.
To your other point, nobody is saying the remaining 8 will only play 7 games. Everybody knows they will play OOC games. The problem is, if Texas Tech plays Virginia OOC, that doesn't draw the same ratings as Oklahoma playing Virginia.
The other problem is, you don't replace the value of schools in your conference with OOC games. The value of a conference's TV contract is primarily based on the school that are MEMBERS of the conference.
And Trump was President because Obama was horrible, that's how it always goes...with a few exceptions of course.
And if the Dem establishment didn't consolidate power and screw Bernie for the nomination, it would still be Pres Trump...but the universal ballots and ballot harvesting did the trick, barely....razor thin margins in swing states and blue wall states with a juiced electorate who mailed votes from home.
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Trump never ran against Obama
He won because Hillary wasn’t well liked.
Only presidential candidate who had lower numbers was 2020 Trump.
There is some truth to what you are saying but wrong person.
I disagree but its my opinion. IMO, I think Trump would have creamed Obama in 2012. Romney was a weak campaigner who was scared to attack Obama and was an unexciting nominee to the GOP base....their wasnt/isnt much daylight between a Romney and Obama.
The Hillary as a weak candidate isnt a theory I accept. A marginally unliked Democrat doesn't lose PA, Wisc, Michigan all at once. The truth is Trump had a solid message that attracted voters...