If I owned a restaurant and the fines were less than actually closing and make me face bankruptcy I would almost being willing to take fine and stay open. Now the police shutdown would be a different story if they went that route. Hopefully at some point they hold Andy accountable and make him answer for his actions.
Andy Beshear - Not a fan of Science
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If I owned a restaurant and the fines were less than actually closing and make me face bankruptcy I would almost being willing to take fine and stay open. Now the police shutdown would be a different story if they went that route. Hopefully at some point they hold Andy accountable and make him answer for his actions.
You were the one who whined and said this thread is Trump vs Beshear. I just said it hasn’t been. Then made a point about overall party themes thru this. Even mentioned it may be by luck.
In my opinion - it’s hard for people like you who seem to be an honest and evidence based Democrat try to backup decisions made by Democrat leaders. I understand it - but the science hasnt been with you. Especially with schools.
But that’s exactly my point. Let’s not guise this to think you aren’t clearly biased in your opinion. It’s amazing how the same crowd lined up to oppose Beshear who happens to be a Democrat and they happen to be Republican. It’s just politics. And yea, there can be exceptions, but only way we could have this conversation is to have it under false pretense of “science.”
-if you are supporting ANDY!'s moves on this you're either afraid* of a virus w/ a 99.7% survival rate, secretly pro-economic collapse...or a feckless c*nt/party hack. THE DATA DOESN'T SUPPORT CLOSING SCHOOLS...and the jury is out on bars/restaurants.
-just be honest with yourself.
*completely understandable if you are old/fat/immunocompromised...or a caregiver of such a person.
-just be honest with yourself.
*completely understandable if you are old/fat/immunocompromised...or a caregiver of such a person.
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Does the science align with Beshear or not with advising against school openings and now school closures? Answer - no it doesn’t.
Does the science align with any Governor presenting a shutdown? No it does not - there’s 100s of state vs state and country vs country examples.
Does wearing masks being your #1 tool against spread (#maskupky) follow any kind of science? Mandated vs non mandated states, RCT of no evidence masks protect the wearer etc...on and on.
Does the science say this wave will be 8-12 weeks and go through a natural lifespan? Yes - and this started Oct 1 or earlier...
and if you want to say Rs are just gonna be homers - I think propping up Fauci and Birx was terrible, as they have been wrong quite often...and politically appointed CDC Redfield has been atrocious (although today he said schools should be open). And there’s just a few R governors that I can really appreciate their response during this.
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The lack of modern baseline makes it almost impossible to answer a lot of questions definitively, especially to laymen. Contemporary studies of covid certainly indicate that school shutdowns might have less than marginal impact on spread. However, on macro level we’ve also seen steep increase since the new school year. Some of which can definitely be attributed to seasonal trends we see with other viruses, but how much?
Liberals have ideas so good they want to force everyone to comply
Deputy *****: we need to follow the science.
Head of the CDC today: Kids can be in school with face to face learning.
Deputy *****: Fkuc the science. Shut them all down!
Head of the CDC today: Kids can be in school with face to face learning.
Deputy *****: Fkuc the science. Shut them all down!
In case anyone now doubts that Andy is fos. Not only does he not follow science, he doesn't even bother having our 900+ contact tracers keep info on bars, restaurants, retail etc.
Lmao is this even real? Then what are those nearly thousand contact tracers doing?
you are the first to mention Trump. You are also wrong in the articles you posted earlier. All they say is that other governors and mayors are closing schools. Andy isn’t the only American political executive who doesn’t follow science and data
the hilarity in these articles is that they almost all acknowledge that it’a not spreading in schools.
There seems to be a LOT of misunderstanding about the data coming from COVID transmission in the school setting.
Yes, data taken over the last half-year suggests schools, particularly K-8, are much less likely to be superspreader events. Schools still certainly can cause outbreaks but are much less likely than, say, a gathering of adults on the WH lawn in which most are not wearing masks. Also, the findings from the international reports state show that transmissions in school are lower IF COVID is contained within the community, IF teachers and staff are required to masks, IF proper social distancing can be implemented through isolated pods, IF teachers can quarantine when cases are detected and the school can stay adequately staffed, and IF schools are operating a decreased capacity.
We obviously need more data, and it's difficult when there is no effort from the federal government to systematically track school openings and COVID cases, but so far the evidence suggests keeping schools open for K-8 in communities in which COVID cases are low and schools can implement measures to reduce transmission (masks, social distancing, operating at a lower capacity, etc).
Yes, data taken over the last half-year suggests schools, particularly K-8, are much less likely to be superspreader events. Schools still certainly can cause outbreaks but are much less likely than, say, a gathering of adults on the WH lawn in which most are not wearing masks. Also, the findings from the international reports state show that transmissions in school are lower IF COVID is contained within the community, IF teachers and staff are required to masks, IF proper social distancing can be implemented through isolated pods, IF teachers can quarantine when cases are detected and the school can stay adequately staffed, and IF schools are operating a decreased capacity.
We obviously need more data, and it's difficult when there is no effort from the federal government to systematically track school openings and COVID cases, but so far the evidence suggests keeping schools open for K-8 in communities in which COVID cases are low and schools can implement measures to reduce transmission (masks, social distancing, operating at a lower capacity, etc).
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Kristof is a huge liberal, btw.
Could be me but it seems like a huge shift in narrative lately. Especially related to schools. The fact Europe kept schools open is pretty hard to refute. I think that's pissing off a lot of scribes.
Could be me but it seems like a huge shift in narrative lately. Especially related to schools. The fact Europe kept schools open is pretty hard to refute. I think that's pissing off a lot of scribes.
That's nice. We don't have more time. We're talking over a year of school for some of these kids and if they don't go back in January it'll basically be 2 grades that are throw outs.
There's no science out there to even lead a discussion on waiting. Everything through 9 months, the cdc, the who, pediatrics, brown u, Europe, literally everything short of unions and liberal politicians, say that kids are safer in school. The CDC literally said that verbatim, today.
you are wrong. It can spread and there are cases but it’s much less than society in general. This is irrefutable and well established. And you injecting politics is proof of your bias. We have enough data. It’s remarkable how people will rationalize and when they don’t like the Data they just say “we need more”.
No, not all liberal politicians. Macron, Merkel, etc... all support and follow the science. The phenomena of “closing schools” is a uniquely American thing amongst western/developed countries.
This sufficient to say schools are safe or should we wait awhile to see how many kids we can leave behind?
Where do you get these #s? CDC says that deaths have gone down from Oct 24 to Nov 14.
The AP and NYT. Also today is the 19th not the 14th and we set a record number of cases today. Also you can just google Kentucky Covid 19 cases and deaths and it will give you an interactive graph. It does this for every state. Specific states are seeing a huge spike in cases.
https://www.wkyt.com/2020/11/19/watch-live-gov-beshear-gives-update-on-covid-19/
No evidence that this surge is related to k-12 education. In fact, Fayette and Jefferson
Are worse off than most and they’re the two that haven’t had in person instruction for public schools.
AP and NYT use state report date, CDC uses date of death.
KYs daily report from the governor is a mismatch mess of case reporting...over 2400 cases is more accurate from local daily reporting - found on bing.
KYs daily report from the governor is a mismatch mess of case reporting...over 2400 cases is more accurate from local daily reporting - found on bing.
They don’t make em like you anymore do they Jim Bob? You didn’t need no good teachin did ya buddy? You live off the land and watch Alaska’s last frontier. You get like a real man should. Schoolin is a waste of time init brother?
Almost everyone was supportive of the initial lockdown. It is clear that they didn't have the effect intended and that the disease isn't as deadly as we first thought. Instead of admitting that, certain people seem to want to act like this is still the worst plague in a century. When you pretend one side is biased and you are using science when you blatantly ignore the facts for political reasons then you come off like a huge hypocrite.
If you are this scared then just sit at home and cower. Let the rest of us live our lives.
You only use the anecdotal Level Da when you don’t have the micro level data.
Again. You are wrong. The Data does not support your theory.
The CDCs website redirects you to the KY CHFS daily report website where it shows you the total number of cases today is 3,649. On the CDCs Covid page you can see the map of the US and click on Kentucky it will redirect you here.
Robert Redfield, a controversial political appointee, did say that today but didn't what schools must do to remain relatively safe. He's also made some other statements that the majority of the scientific community rejected.
We actually do have time for short stints of closure. Not saying that's why schools should be closed, but we're 2-4 months out from the distribution of vaccines to the general public.
Europe has been successful in reopening schools in conjunction with much more strict lockdown measures. We can't even agree on masks here.
The WHO has recommended school re-openings for communities in which transmission rates stay low and the schools can safely implement proper mitigation measures.
Sounds like the new COVID task force of the incoming administration supports cautious re-opening of schools, so we're moving more in that direction.
Everyone wants schools to stay open, including teachers and LIBERALS. But it's not as simple as schools open GOOD - schools closed BAD during this pandemic.
you are wrong. The efforts need to have effect. There is no evidence That closing schools reduces spread based on data collected from Around the world and likewise,
There is no evidence, in fact some to the contrary, that opening schools during a surge accelerates it. Read the studies, read the articles (from npr and The NY Times)
you’re operating from a misled premise
That “closing” school reduces cases. The data says closing schools doesn’t reduce.
there is at least some Data that says overcrowded bars and restaurants, weddings and events may accelerate spread. Though the data supporting the spread in those settings is less conclisive than the data that says schools
Don’t.
the most studied setting for the spread
Of the virus is schools. Why? Because its
The one thing that is the most Harmful, long term, if we can’t do it. (Outside of
The most basic necessities. Eating, healthcare etc. )
We're going to be average 2K deaths per day for the next few weeks, the highest since April.
Our mask compliance is on par with every European nation. JFC, do you all read anything outside of CNN headlines?
These are the nation's that have required school closures: Mexico, South America, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Romania, Ukraine.
Lol.
Plenty of things to focus on, dying on the school hill is not wise. There's no argument.
These are the nation's that have required school closures: Mexico, South America, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Romania, Ukraine.
Lol.
Plenty of things to focus on, dying on the school hill is not wise. There's no argument.
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not sure what 'around the world and likewise' means
Closing schools in communities with outbreaks and lack of adequate quarantine measures will reduce the spread. See Israel. The data that we're all talking about points to schools not being the cause of outbreaks compared to other superspreader events.
But sometimes schools have to shut down when it's difficult to impossible for in-person instruction due to inadequate staff from outbreaks.
Yeah - the kygov numbers are not accurate daily or even cumulative. Local numbers like JeffCo or Fayette websites are more trustworthy day to day.
No I only read CNN I'm a CNN bot CNN is life
Our mask compliance is on par with some European countries and below others, including Italy and Spain. But lockdown measures are more strict than what was implemented here.
All European countries had school closures, except for Sweden, and most didn't fully reopen until August.