Angel is not stupid. If it is a toss up tight match, he inserts himself against Hawks, always has. He will give token stall calls in Hawks favor if we have a heavy favorite or match is wrapped up. My opinion over the years, he is biased against Hawk and he unwittingly made it obvious Friday in the safety of the Devaney Center.
Angel Rivera is terrible
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Reviews need to go. I haven’t seen very many ever over turned and if the official who made the original call is doing it, do you really think they are going to want to make themselves look bad? It’s a joke that has helped ruin the sport. Put conditioning back in as a factor to determine winners. Good example is the clowns throwing the brick on locked hands in the Kennedy match when they knew they needed a breather. It’s a joke and a waste of time.
I just watched that match again & Bailey had a textbook takedown. Angel needs to be suspended for his blatant bias bs. He has been doing this for many years, get this guy out of the sport. The ref should not have this much power to review his own call. Angel is the shinning reason for a change with the reviews. Get this clown out of having this much say. The term "don't leave it up to the referee" has no bearing when it comes to Angel.
I'm not saying it plays a role, but Iowa doesn't help themselves when the team is constantly giving Angel a hard time during the dual. Let the coaches handle it.
I hope he does the Nebraska- Ohio State match this afternoon.
And they give Manning and TanTom real bricks to throw.
And they give Manning and TanTom real bricks to throw.
Or that ref Brands calls Ohio because he lives in Ohio and is BT ref.
But Im sure we will see him in a couple of weeks at Ohio State.
It's both. Yep.
He'd be happy to know he got his own thread...again. He gets at least one on this board every year.
He's been consistently the worst ref in college wrestling for at least ten years. I can think of several others over the years, but I think he edges out Freddie Ambrose for the all-time title.
Final score Friday night was; IOWA 6, ANGEL 2, NEBRASKA 2, but Angel was right in the thick of a few matches.
Posted this is another thread but posting it here too:
I believe angel didn’t even know when he made the call that the match was in sv. You can see after he makes the stall call he signals the wrestlers to a neutral start.
I believe angel didn’t even know when he made the call that the match was in sv. You can see after he makes the stall call he signals the wrestlers to a neutral start.
Oh he knew, he’s just that big of a tool bag.
I will say after having some time to cool off. JW needs to get off his knee and not allow himself to be pushed off the mat. The combo is a bad look, and when you have a ref as dog **** as Angel sometimes a bad look is all it takes.
that said, dog **** stall call at that point in the match.
Oooooooooh cause letting the Iowa coaches handle the refs will definitely play into our favor. Lol you ever watch the heckling our coaches give to refs? I’d much prefer a bunch of 18-21 year olds yelling at me if I was the ref.
If reviews stay in this sport, there needs to be a time limit..maybe 30 seconds? Also the original ref should not be allowed to review their own call.
I would think as a referee that you would hesitate to stall a guy out in sudden death. Defintely didn't know that was the consequence of his decision. They just had a hell of a sequence. I didn't like the call.
It's curious. Over the years there is only one ref I know by name, and that is Angel. He is consistently very very poor. The fans, the coaches and the wrestlers all know it, yet this guy has 9 lives. It makes you wonder what criteria of any is used to move on from refs who don't have what it takes. When you think about it there is little worse than robbing one wrestler of a victory because of a refs' inadequacies, let alone changing the outcome of a dual.
83 percent of the time he hasn't reversed his original call.
I didn’t notice that on my original watch, but,watching the replay, Angel puts both hands up to signal restart in neutral. That moran either didn’t know they were in overtime or, possibly more likely, didn’t know JW had a previous stall warning.
I think he thought he was giving the home crowd their token stall call and forgot it ended the match instead.
Stalling is stalling, regardless of the score and time in the match. You dont want officials to swallow their whistles (in any sport) in crunch time. If he felt it was stalling, I am ok with him calling it to end a match. That is more on Williams than on Angel.
He is still considered by other ncaa officials and the selection committee as one of the better refs, which is why we keep seeing him at ncaa's and doing the finals.
Hard to imagine how that is even possible.
I'd say theres more than an 83% chance that number is too small.
Watched match live on TV- thought he missed the Bailey, Williams, Caliendo calls in live action. Also the no stall calls were baffling. Then rewatched the match a second time- Angle really screwed the Hawks on the three calls listed above. The no calls on the stalling made no sense. I hope there is a "board" the reviews the refs calling of the match. Gives him a grade or whatever on the match. Just really criminal how he goes after Iowa. He does not make the same, consistent calls against the opponent that he makes against the Hawks. Pathetic!
He told him he did before starting the OT. He said you have one stall and two cautions if I'm remembering the right match.
He signals stalling and then puts up one finger for a point and then gives the signal for both up in neutral!!!! He had to know that once he gave the point there is no going back to neutral. What a moran!
Think how fvcking sad that statement is
Don't care all that much about a time limit (30 seconds could be too short for some reviews), but definitely agree on independent ref doing the review. And the reviewing ref's name should remain anonymous to the original ref.
Edit to add: While this idea could be too difficult/costly or time consuming, I'd even favor having 2 reviewer refs available. If the first reviewer reverses a call, 3rd guy breaks the tie. Because let's not forget, Angel would presumably be a reviewer too. At least knowing 2 of 3 concurred would increase likelihood bias was removed.
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I sort of agree but I bet they have a private locker room and the refs still have to stick together. ????? Just like politics>>>
******** call. I have seen a thousand matches, that in overtime, wrestlers stalled with no calls. Faking injuries, taking lots of time to stroll back to the middle or just staying on a knee getting an extra breath in. Stalling could be called in virtually every overtime match as wrestlers are looking for any breather they can get. Let a wrestling move decide the match, not some subjective observation by a ****** referee.
Years ago a baseball writer mentioned that you need to dominate the game enough so lucky break can't affect the outcome.
If it's tied at one in OT you don't have room for error,
I had a tough time with that call. Especially after the review. I know what I saw. That was a takedown.
So? That's irrelevant concerning whether the call was right or wrong.
I have an idea. He should have pinned him before OT. That would've prevented this. Don't leave it in the ref's hands.
Leave it in the refs hands , it might not go your way .So? That's irrelevant concerning whether the call was right or wrong.
I have an idea. He should have pinned him before OT. That would've prevented this. Don't leave it in the ref's hands.
You're right, try wrestling so stall calls don't matter .