Ha ha ha. You even put accident in there. Like muslim terror is "accidental" ha ha.
The ignorance that you constantly display is absolutely astonishing
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Ha ha ha. You even put accident in there. Like muslim terror is "accidental" ha ha.
The ignorance that you constantly display is absolutely astonishing
And, I suspect, check out the "hangover cures" thread.
lol, so much no in this post (no offense ) I just think you don't know any better / can't grasp the real problem and possible solutions.
Honestly , what would your plan of action? What do you suggest? Honest question
Your points are useless. Yes we have problems but, why import more? That is just insane and stupid. It goes right along with your line of thinking.
Nothing alcohol related is an "accident". People drink on purpose, therefore alcohol related collisions (often referred to as accidents regardless of cause) are "accidents" in that they were not done with intent. Those killed in such fashion are no less dead.
Yet we as a society accept the risks created by allowing alcohol consumption. An act that kills 75,000 Americans every year.
Sorry to make arguments that go over your head. Of course, over your head is still a pretty low bar. Kind of like a snake's belly in a wagon rut.
No, I wouldn't agree that "a large portion of Muslims want to kill westerners". It's actually a very small portion. There are 100's of millions of Muslims that live with westerners every day and do so peacefully.
Can't separate the good from the bad? You can certainly screen people. We deny visas, deny entrance into the US to people every day because we have probable cause to deny that person. I have no objections to screening people. My objections is to unilaterally deny the 99.999% of innocent people because you fear the .001%. Yet that is what you wish to do. That is not the America that I know.
1. We do not need probable cause to deny entrance.
2. It's not just a matter of whether or not they want to kill us, it's also a question of commitment to becoming a contributing part of our society AND assimilate our culture. If they want to come here, adhere to American traditions; general moral values; the principle of life and liberty for all; freedom of the right to worship as one would wish; live according to accepted Judeo-Christian values (not the religions, but the values espoused by those religions that have been part of our culture from the beginning, etc....If they want to ASSIMILATE, then bring them in.
It's more than .001% fuzz, it's more like 10-15% that directly support beliefs that's are complete opposite of American beliefs in liberty and freedoms.
The terrorists have support systems, someone close to them know their feelings, family, friends and such. They too are culpable if they do nothing to stop them.
So we're talking 160 to 240 million people, in my mind it's simply not worth the risk to American citizens. That's not simply the risk of terrorism, many of them simply don't mix well with young women, or what we believe is right or wrong.
I saw first hand a Muslim gas station owner slap the piss out of female customer that was complaining about prices.
Muslims are entirely in control of this situation, stop killing innocent people, assimilate into western countries or don't come.
They do that and I guarantee the western countries will stop killing them.
I sat back and waited but now I'm just gonna have chime in. Number one, you're a Muslim apologist. You're the same person who probably says "the Muslim religion is peaceful". You have all of these cliche answers that have been programmed by apologists.
You say the same thing I've heard for years. "Only a small portion want to kill westerners". Bull s*+t. You're judging a religion based on people HERE in the U.S. but this isn't where the religion formed. IT WAS OVER THERE WHERE THEYRE KILLING PEOPLE. Many people in the Middle East ARE NOT like they are here. So don't judge a religion based on westernized muslims, because THAT is the small percentage and the true religion is where it was originally formed, in the Middle East. So westerners CAN NOT tell me what the muslim religion "truly" stands for when they adopted it from the Middle East anyway. Have you looked at polls? Have you seen how many muslims empathize with suicide bombers and terrorists that kill American or European soldiers?
Here, go ahead and deny this and tell me how its a made up lie. That's your next response anyway.
" World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf"
And then tell me how the Muslim religion is peaceful. You know that quote a bunch of Hollywood idiots have said recently? Even Obama said it (and I'm not even getting into that subject). Ya know, the one where the Quran says that if you kill another human you are killing all of humanity?!?!(it's interpreted in verse 5:32 FYI) Yeah, why don't you finish that sentence for me.... Here, I'll do it for you, it says the following verse (5:33 in the Quran) says ""...Our apostles brought them [the Jews] veritable proofs: yet it was not long before many of them committed great evils in the land. Those that make war against Allah and His apostle [Muhammad] and spread disorder shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the country. (Qur'an 5:33)"
So after all of that, my last comment, these idiots aren't blowing people up because westerners are treating them ANY certain way. You said "Treating all Muslims like terrorist will only result in more Muslims willing to act like terrorist." That's an asinine statement. A snake is a snake. You can treat them nicely, coddle them, tell them they're special, pet them, feed them and take care of them, but they're still a snake. Same thing with terrorist. Something that pisses me off is when people say "well, of course they hate us, we bomb them and kill innocent people. That's why they become terrorists". WHY DOESNT THAT EXCUSE WORK FOR US WITH 9/11?!?! I'm pretty sure they killed innocent people and NOT the other way around. So what about those 3,000 people?!?! It's a bs excuse. We're over there because they CONTINUOUSLY ATTACKED US AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES!
The Muslim religion drives up terrorism. Not Americans who criticize them. Period. Open your eyes. There's going to be more terrorist attacks in our lifetime and likely sooner rather than later. Stop empathizing with terroristic muslims, because regardless of how you treat them, or how you feel about them, which is obviously with rose tinted glasses that blind you from obvious truth with your .001% comment, and call it like it is. Millions of muslims hate us and are ok with us or any western person dead. It's a sad truth that's hard for some to grasp in their fairytale outlook, but it is what it is. I'm not saying to treat a Muslim bad here, because that's obviously ignorant. I treat everyone with love and respect and encourage the same. But I too have to have a realistic approach and you should too.
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I have shared scores of Pew stuff with fuzz over the years, he doesn't care. Dude is a nut job.
First what hate speech? Second hate speech is protected under the first amendment.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all because of the Muslim religion despite the fact that the religion has existed for 1500+ years but ISIS for only 13 years. Other Islamic extremist groups like Al-Qaeda date to 1988.
If foreign troops were in the US or our close allies you damn well know that anyone could produce a survey that showed American favored killing those troops and others involved. Why would you think it be different anywhere else?
Add that our enemies frame that we are in Afghanistan and Iraq in battles against Islam. Just as some conservatives here try to frame that "liberals" are at war with Christianity. Uneducated people are easily swayed and buy into false narratives.
I guess you forget that the Bible was used for burning those thought to be witches (Exodus 22:18 "You shall not permit a sorceress to live.", Leviticus 12:27 “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”), to justify slavery, segregation, the conquest of lands... It's not the book *******, it's how people try and use the book. We can all cherry-pick to find what we want.
Following the Crusades Muslim and Christian people lived pretty peacefully together for 100s of years. I guess those were just poor, ignorant Muslims who hadn't read their Quran. Of course you also ignore that ISIS, Al-Qaeda, et al have killed many more of their fellow Muslims than Christians.
The issues couldn't have more to do with politics and poverty could it?
I'm no conservative by any stretch, but I support a comprehensive travel ban.
I want it to include ALL the Middle Eastern countries, not just the places where President Reads At Toddler Level doesn't have a personal financial interest aka Saudi Arabia aka the place that shoulders most of the 9/11 responsibility.
I'm not as scared of the brown boogeyman as many of you because a) I don't watch/listen to/read right-wing fear mongering media (or leftist media for that matter) b) living in rural BFE Kentucky, I'm probably 30 times more likely to be killed by a hilljack with a legal gun than I am an Islamic extremest, but safety first, common enemy and what not. Anything to prevent mass casualties is cool with me.
I want it to include ALL the Middle Eastern countries, not just the places where President Reads At Toddler Level doesn't have a personal financial interest aka Saudi Arabia aka the place that shoulders most of the 9/11 responsibility.
I'm not as scared of the brown boogeyman as many of you because a) I don't watch/listen to/read right-wing fear mongering media (or leftist media for that matter) b) living in rural BFE Kentucky, I'm probably 30 times more likely to be killed by a hilljack with a legal gun than I am an Islamic extremest, but safety first, common enemy and what not. Anything to prevent mass casualties is cool with me.
Name 1 Christian sect or group that is off beheading kids and women and bombing / killing a crap load of people .
I'll wait
(No I'm not Christian )
Do you like have a man crush on me or something...I'm always suspect of any random person who has me on their mind.
You must live a sad and uneventful life...
[roll] The gift that keeps on giving. Your posts are very... entertaining
Nah man, no " man crush " what's the saying? "a spade is a spade " :cool2:
Wel, idk. Unfortunately it .. sorta is ? (Not arguing ) I mean KKK/ the klan can hold rallies / marches etc in public (they even came to louisville a few years back ) and essentially proclaim hate etc "(hate speech ") about blacks , Jews , gays etc
Same with the idiots with the westboro church or whatever they call themselves
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Because this is a private message board and the mods can censor you per terms of the "terms and conditions" you agreed to when you signed up.
For the slow kids in the back, the First Amendment only protects you from being jailed by the United States government for the stuff you say. It doesn't include protections from your employer, your school or your posting privileges on a private message board owned by a private company. Freedom of speech and speech without consequences are two entirely different things that often get confused and referred to simply as "FREEDUM A SPEECH!!!!1!!"
I'm bamboozled by people who argue politics but don't understand the first amendment doesn't apply to a GD message board. You people are too much sometimes.
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Currently or ever?
Also, is it just beheadings that bother you or do other forms of murder and abuse count?
Are you familiar with the Inquisitions?
The forced conversions of American Indians?
The North American slave trade?
You seem to miss the point...how unsurprising.
No, as basically everyone in this thread has pointed out ... it's you who seems to keep missing the point (entirely ) backpeddling , moving the goal posts and making obtuse straw man arguments .
When proven wrong with facts , or even a valid difference of opinion/ point... you cease to make even a remotely credible case for yourself/ position (which seems to have been lost as I don't think you even know what you're really discussing anymore )
Not surprising ... pretty evident from your first couple of posts on this matter that you aren't very knowledgeable on the subject at hand.
Can't blame ya tho... regurgitating the same thing you hear on CNN or MSNBC or your favorite twitter superstar, won't get ya to far in arguments/ debates
It's advisable to conduct your own research and form your own opinions , so as to better be able to discuss these things.
Maybe nxt time tho?
And how many occultists have been beheaded/blown up by orthodox Jews shouting YAHWEH IS GREAT in the past 50 years?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
What do either of these things have to do with Christianity?
Fuzz, let's be clear....NO Christian, when acting in accord with the teachings/directives of the Son of God, has ever engaged in behaviors such as you cite.
Now that you've called me an ******* I can tell your feelings got hurt. Still, most everything you said is still full of willful ignorance and stupidity.
I appreciate your biblical reference but I'm sorry to tell you, that is from the Old Testament. Nobody believes that is how things should be carried out (stoning people to death). If you don't know the difference then maybe you should enlighten yourself with some research. Also, you're all over the place but are we arguing all religions? Never have I said that everything in the Bible is ok, so Secondly, you quoted the Bible verse saying "They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” So as crazy as that sounds, are christians stoning people to death? Because believe it or not, muslims do carry out such atrocities in the Middle East. Gay people are murdered and thrown off of roofs, people are getting beheaded and Christian's are being slaughtered. If christians were doing that then I'd obviously be very against that too. But I shouldn't even have to say that.
Next up, the al-Qeada and ISIS references leave me completely confused. Uhhh, you do know terrorism in the region is FAR older than these two groups. So WTF are you talking about? You're just babbling the same garbage people who don't think for themselves do.
Nextup, politics and poverty?!? Again, wtf are you talking about? You do know most of the people that lead these terrorist organizations actually are highly educated people, right? Bin Laden was a civil engineer. Many other leaders of terrorist organizations were doctors and professors. So these aren't just an ignorant pocket of the Muslim community over there.
Have you heard of sharia law? Unless you're out of touch with reality (strong possibility) many countries over there are ran parallel with Muslim law, though from several different beliefs. Saudi Arabia beheads people in the middle of town that simply filmed something or have an opposing opinion to government. THAT HAS GONE ON FOR GENERATIONS!!! Stop stupidly tying everything to the United States which is little over 200 years old! It's lead on by sick ideology and religion and has nothing to do with what western civilization has done. It's simply the current excuse that people like you eat right up.
I don't hate muslims. I hate violent people that kill people because they don't believe the same way. Muslims for the most part in the USA are different in that they don't go blowing themselves up or continuously kill innocent people on a regular basis. (Though some here do and have) Most DO want peace and contribute greatly with society as do most christians, but unfortunately they are very different from most in the epicenter of religion, the Middle East. And don't patronize me and act as if you know my A) religious beliefs and B) my political party to fit your warped ideology. You're a part of the current problem in society, not me, and it's because if someone has a certain opinion, you categorize them with a group of people, conservatives or liberals. That's a stupid way to justify your own I'll informed opinions,