Another day without a DC
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Yeah does not work that way sorry. I’m as confused and frustrated as anyone, but posts like this are just asinine.
Oh yes - this is an epic fail either way if he doesn’t land a real candidate besides himself. There’s no question about that.
oh it definitely wasn’t “the plan A”. I don’t think anyone was implying that were they? He struck out and now it might be the plan B.
Greg was the right choice to bring us out of the Ashes...but man- as much as I hoped for a guy to just get to the next step- he has really hit his ceiling...the man actually has a pretty high floor but his ceiling makes it a crawlspace
Seeming that way. Going to be interesting to see how the hire (or appointment, if it’s just him) is handled. He must know this isn’t going to be a good look unless he pulls an unexpected ace out of a hole. If he does what Cali suggested, he’ll look ridiculous, but I can’t even picture how he might frame a promotion for Fraser. How long has it been since he’s held a real position not called analyst or qualit control assistant?
Yes, and he does not want to show his hand to our B1G foes.
That’s been his “disguise “ ( and not naming Starters/ Injuries) all these years. Meanwhile they can care less and are laughing at him.
the problem is that Greg is a lame duck coach and nearing the time when a decision is made to retain or not to retain. No one wants to come for a year and with it looking like another bad year, you'd be gone in 12mos.
this is an issue- and why he really needs to have found someone from the lower ranks that has been crushing it or he should have promoted from within already.
people simply don't get it and just want to attack people for pointing out the obvious issues with Greg. Makes the board hard to enjoy and turns into a back and forth (I'm just as guilty of it so no mud slinging from me). People are more loyal to Greg than they are to Rutgers which is the main issue for some.
Eh - I’m not buying that. The offense turned a corner. Greg has had success with D throughout his career. You can’t tell me he couldn’t have convinced one respectable midmajor DC to take the job right after the season ended to guide us through the portal season pick ups and hire a staff. Richie made a good point on the podcast. There is a unique opportunity for an incoming DC to come in and have an extremely low bar for success. We were one of the worst defenses in all of FBS last year. If someone came in and improved us to 80th or something like that it would be perceived as progress. The narrative doesn’t work. Greg clearly wanted a specific person and thought wrong that he could convince that guy to come here.
Seriously, if Greg takes the job we now have to wait to fill out the D staff. How easy would you see that happening?
Penn State:
Get to know new Penn State edge coach Christian Smith
Penn State’s first coaching staff under Matt Campbell is officially filled, and there’s a new position that’s been filled by one of Campbell’s former players.
Right now we have Charlie Noonan as Defensive Tackles coach and Julian Campenni as outside linebackers coach.
Here is what a "normal" staff looks like courtesy of Iowa:
DC/Secondary - Phil Parker
Asst DC/Linebackers-Seth Wallace
DL-Kelvin Bell
Asst DL Coach-Jay Niemann
Wisconsin has a Secondary Coach and separate Cornerbacks and Safeties Coaches.
respectfully, that's a cool story on the offense but 5-7 and view of next year doesn't change. After this season, he has 1yr where a realistic view of his future will be decided. Anyone with a lick of football IQ can see next year is going to be a struggle to win 6 games. Why would you risk your career for what could be a 1yr gig while uprooting yourself and your family
it's absolutely a concern and you are looking at this from a fan's perspective and not a father, coach, business like where fandom feelings have no play
1) if Greg could have hired a mid major DC earlier in this process why didn’t he?
2) Why at this point in Greg’s career does he still have to “convince” someone to join his staff. I don’t want people I have to “convince” to work for me to work for me. I want people running to me not from me.
3)The unique opportunity is a curse. Because it’s a low bar for a reason. And it’s not all about the jimmys and joes.
4) if Greg clearly wanted a specific person. He need to get off that specific person earlier. He had a 40 day lead in to make sure that person was willing and able to join his staff prior to end of season.
5) offense did turn a corner but that also took 2.5 years to clearly turn that corner.
I completely agree on 4. If I had to guess, I think this was it. He did the exact same thing again and got burned. He probably wanted someone who was coaching on a playoff team or NFL and that guy strung him along (because - why not?). Said right now Im busy coaching but I’m interested in considering it after the season. Why not say that? Always good to keep your options open. Greg fell for it and waited. Whoever he wanted clearly isn’t interested and now Greg has his back against a wall.
I’m not saying otherwise. My point is only that the state of the team is not Ash 2019 where that would be the reason nobody would take this job. Its not a career death sentence. He absolutely could’ve found someone. He went for the homerun and struck out.
Do you really believe this to be true? Not sure what line of business you are in. But if someone in my business told me he was interested and that I would have to wait 3 months for him to join me. I would move on because that person is not serious. And there is a greater chance of that person not taking the position than joining me. Also this hire is extremely time sensitive. For multiple reasons. The coaching business is extremely small. And the talent pool for this type of position is even smaller. Information gets out very easily. Once there’s blood in the water sharks will feast. And that’s exactly what happened here.
Yeah it’s pretty remarkable that this is happening… Hard to believe, but it’s just not possible that “nobody” was interestedz. Richie even reported there was interest and Schiano turned down several options. Also - didn’t it come out that this exact thing happened with Robb Smith? Greg held out for someone and got burned. The fact that he would do the same thing again and expect a different result is mind boggling.
If it happened once. How does it happen twice? This is actually the third time(Ciarroca did the same thing). But who’s counting?Not saying no one is interested.i have a hard time believing Greg turned all of the people he brought in to interview. That is logically impossible. You don’t bring people in at this level unless you are willing to offer and they are able to take the job on the spot. This isn’t a low level position coach entry level job. Greg is the CEO of the football program and the DC is the equivalent of CFO or COO. The list is small. The fact that the rumor is greater than 5 people interviewed is very telling.
Yeah I don’t know. It seems crazy but without knowing who those 5 interviews were with we don’t have perspective on what exactly he was passing up. Even now it seems unlikely that there’s no mid-major DC out there with a decent track record that would take an opportunity for a salary increase and higher profile role. Greg’s problem now is if he brings in a MAC DC it raises all kinds of questions about why he didn’t do it sooner if it’s not someone with any splash.
I agree. But it doesn’t matter if we know who he brought in for interviews. As has been said you don’t bring in someone for this level job to pass on them! These are people that he personally had on HIS list. If they are not viable options. And you are not willing to offer and they are not able to accept. You don’t run the risk of bringing them in.
Or those guys don't want to work for Greg.
and while the offense was great this past year, I'd argue it was primarily driven by a functioning QB - something Greg 2..0 has majorly whiffed on until Kak
and while the offense was great this past year, I'd argue it was primarily driven by a functioning QB - something Greg 2..0 has majorly whiffed on until Kak
Greg wasn't even responsible for AK, that was ALL Kirk. By default, Greg get's credit which is more than acceptable
According to Richie - Greg turned them down. We don’t know who they are though. And yeah, can’t answer the question of why we bothered to bring them in if Greg wasn’t ready to move forward. No idea on that either.
I would be okay with Schiano hiring himself as DC if he then hired someone else as HC.
