Another Dirty Bird Flying the Coop Early

[DSmith21]

Starting Safety James Sample (team leading tackler) is now joining fellow underclassmen DB's Gerold Holliman and Charles Gaines in leaving early for the draft. These three were all key pieces of Clint Hurtt's second recruiting class. The loss of these three plus senior Terrell Floyd means that UL is losing its entire starting secondary. The birds will sugarcoat the losses by talking about the two UGA transfers but this is a major blow.

That makes 7 starters that will not be back on the UL defense and the offense loses as much if not more. One more (DL) may also be considering leaving early. I very much like our chances next year against UL. The talent pendulum now favors us.





This post was edited on 1/6 9:28 AM by DSmith21

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/01/05/louisville-football-talent-fill-nfl-draft-departures/21303789/

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

Both Holliman and Sample need another year. I think they both have NFL potential but they're just not ready. Maybe they don't like Bobby P.

 

[Steelers2012_rivals379029]

James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

Is there anything to the rumblings that Grantham is on LSU's radar as DC? Other than message boards I couldn't find anything.

 

[C1180]

Originally posted by DSmith21:
Starting Safety James Sample (team leading tackler) is now joining fellow underclassmen DB's Gerold Holliman and Charles Gaines in leaving early for the draft. These three were all key pieces of Clint Hurtt's second recruiting class. The loss of these three plus senior Terrell Floyd means that UL is losing its entire starting secondary. The birds will sugarcoat the losses by talking about the two UGA transfers but this is a major blow.

That makes 7 starters that will not be back on the UL defense and the offense loses as much if not more. One more (DL) may also be considering leaving early. I very much like our chances next year against UL. The talent pendulum now favors us.






This post was edited on 1/6 9:28 AM by DSmith21

The Curious Journals ball hanging article on UofLs football program is curious indeed. They lose their entire starting secondary but not to fear the reserves are as good or better.

Grantham is looking to jump ship because he sees the hand writing on the wall of this defenses demise next season.

 

[wbryant316]

It's too bad their third string QB didn't leave. Stoops is 0-2 against Petrino. Hopefully the law of averages kick in eventually and we win in the series again.

 

[@lleycat]

Originally posted by fballcats76:

It's too bad their third string QB didn't leave. Stoops is 0-2 against Petrino. Hopefully the law of averages kick in eventually and we win in the series again.

Not sure who, but you can expect one or more UL QBs to transfer. They have several on scholarship.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by @lleycat:

Originally posted by fballcats76:

It's too bad their third string QB didn't leave. Stoops is 0-2 against Petrino. Hopefully the law of averages kick in eventually and we win in the series again.

Not sure who, but you can expect one or more UL QBs to transfer. They have several on scholarship.

The QB transfer from Washington St is leaving.

 

[DSmith21]

Originally posted by C1180:
The Curious Journals ball hanging article on UofLs football program is curious indeed. They lose their entire starting secondary but not to fear the reserves are as good or better.

Grantham is looking to jump ship because he sees the hand writing on the wall of this defenses demise next season.

If you look at their depth chart for the Georgia game, Tumanine Washington is listed as the backup for both CB positions and Jermaine Reve is the backup for both S positions. That is not much coming back to add to the two transfers.

All three of these early entry guys are not NFL ready. There must be some other reason for them to leave. Could it be that Honest Bob is as big an a-hole as everyone says?

This post was edited on 1/6 9:53 AM by DSmith21

 

[Steelers2012_rivals379029]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

Is there anything to the rumblings that Grantham is on LSU's radar as DC? Other than message boards I couldn't find anything.

Other than on here, I haven't even heard the rumblings. But, I'm not really an ear to the ground kind of guy. No inside connections at all. Just what I read on Rivals, and research myself. QB Tyler Bruggman, the Washington St. transfer, HAS already transferred out.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by fballcats76:

It's too bad their third string QB didn't leave. Stoops is 0-2 against Petrino. Hopefully the law of averages kick in eventually and we win in the series again.

In 2012 we lost 32-14 and it really wasn't that close. Charlie called off the dogs in the 4th quarter. That game made me realize just how much better their roster was than ours. I went to that game and they were bigger faster stronger etc...

In 2013 we lost 27-13 and again it was obvious their roster was better but the game seemed more competitive and I felt we were getting closer.

In 2014 we lost 44-40. We were driving with a chance to win the game and we were a dropped interception away from winning at Papa Johns. I sucked it up and watched the game again and I felt the rosters were close. They were better in some areas we were better in some areas.

So...in 2015 I think the rosters will be at least even. We (Stoops) need to win in 2015. I think we will.

 

[bigbluegrog]

Originally posted by gobigblue812:

Both Holliman and Sample need another year. I think they both have NFL potential but they're just not ready. Maybe they don't like Bobby P.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there wasn't at least a little bit of truth in this.......Grantham too if what Grumpy says is true about him.....

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

Is there anything to the rumblings that Grantham is on LSU's radar as DC? Other than message boards I couldn't find anything.

Other than on here, I haven't even heard the rumblings. But, I'm not really an ear to the ground kind of guy. No inside connections at all. Just what I read on Rivals, and research myself. QB Tyler Bruggman, the Washington St. transfer, HAS already transferred out.

Found this from yesterday

LSU has not honed in on any candidates, but a host of big names are possible: current Georgia defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt, Louisville and former Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham, former Ole Miss coach and long-time Southern Cal coach Ed Orgeron, Alabama linebackers coach Kevin Steele, former Florida defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin and even former Auburn coach Gene Chizik, who is available.

I have a feeling they will go after Orgeron. He may get them on probation but he did a really good job at USC.

Link

 

[Hacksaw Cat]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

Is there anything to the rumblings that Grantham is on LSU's radar as DC? Other than message boards I couldn't find anything.

Other than on here, I haven't even heard the rumblings. But, I'm not really an ear to the ground kind of guy. No inside connections at all. Just what I read on Rivals, and research myself. QB Tyler Bruggman, the Washington St. transfer, HAS already transferred out.

Already transferred? He was a 4 star out of HS, and thought he would be competing for PT next year. Where did he transfer to?

 

[Navy Cat]

The Cards are losing a ton of defensive talent. Grantham restored a great deal of his marketability with the UL defensive performance this year. Granted, much of that credit goes to the talent Strong assembled, but still, Grantham did a nice job with the talent available. He is about as marketable as he is going to get, right now. UL will take a hit, defensively, next year. If he's going to bolt, now would be the time to do it.

 

[Steelers2012_rivals379029]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
Originally posted by KapitalCat:


Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.


Is there anything to the rumblings that Grantham is on LSU's radar as DC? Other than message boards I couldn't find anything.


Other than on here, I haven't even heard the rumblings. But, I'm not really an ear to the ground kind of guy. No inside connections at all. Just what I read on Rivals, and research myself. QB Tyler Bruggman, the Washington St. transfer, HAS already transferred out.


Found this from yesterday

LSU has not honed in on any candidates, but a host of big names are possible: current Georgia defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt, Louisville and former Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham, former Ole Miss coach and long-time Southern Cal coach Ed Orgeron, Alabama linebackers coach Kevin Steele, former Florida defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin and even former Auburn coach Gene Chizik, who is available.

I have a feeling they will go after Orgeron. He may get them on probation but he did a really good job at USC.

Wow, the Aggies are offering Chavis $1.67 million/year, and LSU was offering $1.33. These DCs and OCs are making a LOT of money these days. I have NO idea if Jurich would be willing to match an offer if LSU makes one to Grantham above the $1 million/year he gets at UofL. But I would doubt many coaches would accept that clause LSU had in Chavis' contract regarding only paying him 6 months compensation if Miles is no longer the coach.

 

[thefolker]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

So he probably never even went to class at UL.

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by TheFolker:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

So he probably never even went to class at UL.

If he didn't take at least two classes and pass them with at least a "C" average, he would not have been eligible to play in the Bowl game.

 

[Cats78]

Originally posted by gobigblue812:

Both Holliman and Sample need another year. I think they both have NFL potential but they're just not ready. Maybe they don't like Bobby P.

I don't know, didn't Holliman pick off about 200 passes this year? You don't pick off as many passes as he did this year by accident. Seems like his stock can't get much higher.

 

[bigbluegrog]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by TheFolker:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

So he probably never even went to class at UL.

If he didn't take at least two classes and pass them with at least a "C" average, he would not have been eligible to play in the Bowl game.

So, in other words.....he took two.....both on-line of course!

 

[WildCard]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Wow, the Aggies are offering Chavis $1.67 million/year, and LSU was offering $1.33. These DCs and OCs are making a LOT of money these days. I have NO idea if Jurich would be willing to match an offer if LSU makes one to Grantham above the $1 million/year he gets at UofL. But I would doubt many coaches would accept that clause LSU had in Chavis' contract regarding only paying him 6 months compensation if Miles is no longer the coach.

Likewise I have heard no rumbling that LSU has approached Grantham, but who knows? In addition to that strange buyout clause linked to Miles, FWIW, I read that Chavis wanted a multi year at LSU but they would not do so and aTm was happy to oblige. I'm pretty sure Grantham has a multi year deal at UofL.

Peace

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by fballcats76:

It's too bad their third string QB didn't leave. Stoops is 0-2 against Petrino. Hopefully the law of averages kick in eventually and we win in the series again.

In 2012 we lost 32-14 and it really wasn't that close. Charlie called off the dogs in the 4th quarter. That game made me realize just how much better their roster was than ours. I went to that game and they were bigger faster stronger etc...

In 2013 we lost 27-13 and again it was obvious their roster was better but the game seemed more competitive and I felt we were getting closer.

In 2014 we lost 44-40. We were driving with a chance to win the game and we were a dropped interception away from winning at Papa Johns. I sucked it up and watched the game again and I felt the rosters were close. They were better in some areas we were better in some areas.

So...in 2015 I think the rosters will be at least even. We (Stoops) need to win in 2015. I think we will.

Good post..I would be pretty disappointed if we don't beat them next year @ CWS

 

[hmt5000]

good for him but he really needs another year. he's athletic but im not sure how good he actually is and if he's not top 3 round kinda good then he may slide a lot. seems like i remember someone early this year worried about stamps going pro and someone pointed out that this year is really deep at safety. not a lot at the top of the draft but a whole lot of guys in the 2nd and 3rd round.iho

 

[ville 77]

Yes Sample is leaving. You remember him. After Petrino signed him not Strong and I read on this board that he was awful and could not compare to the UK recruits.

Gaines was part of UL second recruiting class but Holliman never qualified and resigned to be part of the third recruiting class.

Now that the 3 are leaving we can read once again that the UL secondary will be awful and they have no safety's. Just a reminder that UL lost 2- 3 year starters at safety last year. Holliman was a little used backup and Sample did not enroll until June and we read all summer that our secondary was going to be awful. This year we are actually in better shape than last year.

Now tell me how the talent pendulum now favors UK? UL has two starters from Georgia to replace Sample and Gaines they were actually considered better recruits than they were and our 5th DB who started the last 6 games returns as well. The Cats might return more starters but the last time we played you guy gave up 380 yards passing so it is not like they are great starters returning. Pretty sure UK lost it best 2 defensive players as well. The cards do return the heart of the D-line and both middle Linebackers. Not concerned a bit about the defense. Unless they change their mind most DT who could have left decided to return.

As for Grantham he actually signed a 5 year deal with UL for about a million per year. At the time it made him one of the 10 highest paid assistants in the country. I am sure LSU can offer more so we will see. If he goes Ul has a million to help find a new DC. Somebody will be interested.






This post was edited on 1/7 1:09 AM by ville 77

 

[trueblujr]

UofL has 2 starters from UGA, who played on a defense so good at UGA that it got their DC fired. Ok, sorry, they at least asked him to look elsewhere if we are going to get into semantics.

 

[Kattopper]

Originally posted by ville 77:

Yes Sample is leaving. You remember him. After Petrino signed him not Strong and I read on this board that he was awful and could not compare to the UK recruits.

Gaines was part of UL second recruiting class but Holliman never qualified and resigned to be part of the third recruiting class.

Now that the 3 are leaving we can read once again that the UL secondary will be awful and they have no safety's. Just a reminder that UL lost 2- 3 year starters at safety last year. Holliman was a little used backup and Sample did not enroll until June and we read all summer that our secondary was going to be awful. This year we are actually in better shape than last year.

Now tell me how the talent pendulum now favors UK? UL has two starters from Georgia to replace Sample and Gaines they were actually considered better recruits than they were and our 5th DB who started the last 6 games returns as well. The Cats might return more starters but the last time we played you guy gave up 380 yards passing so it is not like they are great starters returning. Pretty sure UK lost it best 2 defensive players as well. The cards do return the heart of the D-line and both middle Linebackers. Not concerned a bit about the defense. Unless they change their mind most DT who could have left decided to return.

As for Grantham he actually signed a 5 year deal with UL for about a million per year. At the time it made him one of the 10 highest paid assistants in the country. I am sure LSU can offer more so we will see. If he goes Ul has a million to help find a new DC. Somebody will be interested.






This post was edited on 1/7 1:09 AM by ville 77

I am not going to argue about how talented the UGA transfers are. I just find it hilarious and indicative of the type of program UL is that their new DC would take two kids that were kicked off the team from his old job. Not only did you guys take two transfers who had problems (which UL does over and over) but your DC knows exactly how big of trouble makers these two are because he watched it unfold while at UGA. It's almost as comical as welcoming back a coach who stabbed you in the back over and over again and who can't seem to keep his personal or professional life together for more than 18 months at a time.



This post was edited on 1/7 8:54 AM by Kattopper

This post was edited on 1/7 9:04 AM by Kattopper

 

[Kattopper]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by TheFolker:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

So he probably never even went to class at UL.

If he didn't take at least two classes and pass them with at least a "C" average, he would not have been eligible to play in the Bowl game.

Maybe Dyer should have been on the James Sample path to being eligible at the Ville then. It's not like UL is asking either to figure out how to split a freaking atom. One couldn't or wouldn't the other is eligible because he needed 6 hours with a 2.0 freaking GPA. Let's be real here I doubt the kid did much studying this semester and likely never did since he stepped on campus.

This post was edited on 1/7 9:03 AM by Kattopper

 

[DSmith21]

Originally posted by ville 77:

Now tell me how the talent pendulum now favors UK? UL has two starters from Georgia to replace Sample and Gaines they were actually considered better recruits than they were and our 5th DB who started the last 6 games returns as well. The Cats might return more starters but the last time we played you guy gave up 380 yards passing so it is not like they are great starters returning. Pretty sure UK lost it best 2 defensive players as well. The cards do return the heart of the D-line and both middle Linebackers. Not concerned a bit about the defense. Unless they change their mind most DT who could have left decided to return.
This post was edited on 1/7 1:09 AM by ville 77

The talent pendulum favors UK because we have out recruited you guys for the past two years (soon to be 3 because your rating will drop and ours will rise as we head to signing day). You guys are not getting many four star players anymore while we are (we lead 17-4 in the last three classes including 2015 according to rivals).

UL is also losing four would be senior starters next year (the 3 DB's and Ryan Mack who started 19 games for you in the past two years). Recruiting 7-8 JUCOs plus a bunch of trouble maker transfers from other programs is a bad sign that you don't seem to get. The swing has also been seen on the field. Two years ago the teams and game were not very close. This year we were a dropped interception away from upsetting you at home. The main difference in that game which we led most of the way was Devante Parker who will not be back next year. You guys are losing most of your offensive and defensive starters including your best on both sides (Parker and Mauldin/Holliman). We have the majority of our starters back plus were able to redshirt 15 freshmen this year (including a couple of four stars that had pre-season injuries that held them back).

This post was edited on 1/7 10:32 AM by DSmith21

 

[JimmyJimmy]

Isn't this a UK board. I love it when UofLsucksville fans who dog UK fans, our players, coaches, AD and school out on their board but feel like they can come over here and try to justify their existence, their Neckbrace coach and the thugs they call players. Go on back to your sinking ship. Who cares about your opinion. Nothing but a bunch of two faced looserville fans.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by ville 77:

Now tell me how the talent pendulum now favors UK?

scoreboard, son

2 seasons ago y'all were winning so easily and comfortably you could jerk Bridgewater out in the 3rd quarter
1 season ago only a 10-3 game at halftime (thanks for yet another big game fumble, this time as we were about to go in & tie the score, Sanders)
last year you escape at home by the skin of your teeth

If you can't tell that UK's talent & UL's talent have gone from a big advantage for you to a virtual tie, then you simply don't have eyes in yer head

 

[Cats78]

Originally posted by ville 77:

Yes Sample is leaving. You remember him. After Petrino signed him not Strong and I read on this board that he was awful and could not compare to the UK recruits.

Gaines was part of UL second recruiting class but Holliman never qualified and resigned to be part of the third recruiting class.

Now that the 3 are leaving we can read once again that the UL secondary will be awful and they have no safety's. Just a reminder that UL lost 2- 3 year starters at safety last year. Holliman was a little used backup and Sample did not enroll until June and we read all summer that our secondary was going to be awful. This year we are actually in better shape than last year.

Now tell me how the talent pendulum now favors UK? UL has two starters from Georgia to replace Sample and Gaines they were actually considered better recruits than they were and our 5th DB who started the last 6 games returns as well. The Cats might return more starters but the last time we played you guy gave up 380 yards passing so it is not like they are great starters returning. Pretty sure UK lost it best 2 defensive players as well. The cards do return the heart of the D-line and both middle Linebackers. Not concerned a bit about the defense. Unless they change their mind most DT who could have left decided to return.

As for Grantham he actually signed a 5 year deal with UL for about a million per year. At the time it made him one of the 10 highest paid assistants in the country. I am sure LSU can offer more so we will see. If he goes Ul has a million to help find a new DC. Somebody will be interested.






This post was edited on 1/7 1:09 AM by ville 77

Well, UK is now in it's 3rd year in a row of out-recruiting UofL. Those players are finally providing depth and emerging for UK. You sound like the type of fan that thinks UofL will never have less talent than UK and that UofL will never lose to UK in football. You barely beat our UK team this year and you lose quite a bit off that team (talent recruited by the NCAA violator who got a show cause CLINT HURTT)while UK clearly upgrades in talent and depth. You'll lose to UK this year whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by Kattopper:

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by TheFolker:

Originally posted by Steelers2012:
James Sample was a JC player brought in by the Petrino staff on 4/25/14. No connection to Hurtt/Strong whatsoever.

So he probably never even went to class at UL.

If he didn't take at least two classes and pass them with at least a "C" average, he would not have been eligible to play in the Bowl game.

Maybe Dyer should have been on the James Sample path to being eligible at the Ville then. It's not like UL is asking either to figure out how to split a freaking atom. One couldn't or wouldn't the other is eligible because he needed 6 hours with a 2.0 freaking GPA. Let's be real here I doubt the kid did much studying this semester and likely never did since he stepped on campus.


This post was edited on 1/7 9:03 AM by Kattopper

While I don't know any specifics about his academic situation, I honestly don't think Michael Dyer cared about the bowl game. He appears to have done just enough to remain eligible throughout the regular season, and then simply stopped going to class after the UK game. Whether he was taking the minimum number of classes or the maximum (or something in between) doesn't really matter. By becoming academically ineligible, he could hire an agent immediately and begin his efforts to get ready for the NFL draft.

With regards to Sample, his academic situation was different than Dyer's because he was in his first semester at UofL after earning an associates degree at his junior college. I was pointing out the minimum he would need to do to remain academically eligible - whether he did only the minimum isn't something you or I will ever know.

 

[krazzy]

I actually like fans of other schools to visit and don't mind a little trash talk. I think Mods should loosen up some and stop banning everyone. This is not directed at our mods as I don't know who you ban or for what reasons. I see mods from other sites like NCs banning posters and changing posts. I counted the total number of posts on there in a 24 hr period one day last week and there were only about 6. That's not 6 now topics, that's 6 messages. If you only allow those with the same views to post it's not worth reading. I saw several fans on the Louisville site saying they couldn't get approved to post on our site. I would like to see them be allowed to post until they prove they don't deserve the privilege.

 

[BOHICA_]

What happened to L1C4? I thought all of their players only came to Louisville for the love of the school, program, fans, stadiums/arena's, and the most profitable program in the country? I thought their players had no interest in leaving early and wanted to learn to play real ball. Is that just a basketball thing that doesn't hold true on the football side or are UofL fans just full of crap?

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by BOHICA_:

What happened to L1C4? I thought all of their players only came to Louisville for the love of the school, program, fans, stadiums/arena's, and the most profitable program in the country? I thought their players had no interest in leaving early and wanted to learn to play real ball. Is that just a basketball thing that doesn't hold true on the football side or are UofL fans just full of crap?

Nothing happened to L1C4, and if that's truly what you thought, then you thought wrong.

College football is a different dynamic than basketball, because of the difference between the NBA and the NFL with regards to when those two leagues will allow underclassmen to apply for the draft. For the NBA, it's one year out of high school. For the NFL, it's three years.

L1C4 is definitely a basketball philosophy developed by Pitino. And yes, it was developed in response to what Calipari is doing with one-and-dones at UK. UofL's football program is not at same level of our basketball program - as can easily be seen by looking at our recruiting rankings for each sport. We don't have the luxury in football of limiting ourselves only to athletes who subscribe to "L1C4".

 

[BOHICA_]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by BOHICA_:

What happened to L1C4? I thought all of their players only came to Louisville for the love of the school, program, fans, stadiums/arena's, and the most profitable program in the country? I thought their players had no interest in leaving early and wanted to learn to play real ball. Is that just a basketball thing that doesn't hold true on the football side or are UofL fans just full of crap?

Nothing happened to L1C4, and if that's truly what you thought, then you thought wrong.

College football is a different dynamic than basketball, because of the difference between the NBA and the NFL with regards to when those two leagues will allow underclassmen to apply for the draft. For the NBA, it's one year out of high school. For the NFL, it's three years.

L1C4 is definitely a basketball philosophy developed by Pitino. And yes, it was developed in response to what Calipari is doing with one-and-dones at UK. UofL's football program is not at same level of our basketball program - as can easily be seen by looking at our recruiting rankings for each sport. We don't have the luxury in football of limiting ourselves only to athletes who subscribe to "L1C4".

Oh it's not what I "thought". It's what I have been told and heard by many of your fellow fans. They claim it's why you guys are so much better and classier than we are. Apparently our kids only care about themselves and are looking for the quickest way out of UK. They come to UK because they don't want to have to follow rules or listen to any authority. This is all while your players are at UofL to learn discpline, get an education, learn to play real ball, and because of their undying love of the program, facilities, and fans. Those aren't my words, they are words of your fellow fans. I have had them said directly to me and I have read them many times on these boards.

 

[Cats78]

Originally posted by PushupMan:

Originally posted by BOHICA_:

What happened to L1C4? I thought all of their players only came to Louisville for the love of the school, program, fans, stadiums/arena's, and the most profitable program in the country? I thought their players had no interest in leaving early and wanted to learn to play real ball. Is that just a basketball thing that doesn't hold true on the football side or are UofL fans just full of crap?

Nothing happened to L1C4, and if that's truly what you thought, then you thought wrong.

College football is a different dynamic than basketball, because of the difference between the NBA and the NFL with regards to when those two leagues will allow underclassmen to apply for the draft. For the NBA, it's one year out of high school. For the NFL, it's three years.

L1C4 is definitely a basketball philosophy developed by Pitino. And yes, it was developed in response to what Calipari is doing with one-and-dones at UK. UofL's football program is not at same level of our basketball program - as can easily be seen by looking at our recruiting rankings for each sport. We don't have the luxury in football of limiting ourselves only to athletes who subscribe to "L1C4".

I feel like a smarter person each time I see the idiotic "L1C4" crap and I feel even smarter when I hear a Louisville fan try and explain it. I don't think you realize how moronic you all sound when you try and make it to be something even close to reasonable. Anytime I see a Louisville fan hash-tag that crap or mention it, I automatically feel sorry for them.

The whole basis of it (as you admitted) is just more obsession with UK. It's "point" or whatever it supposedly stands for, is phony as phony gets. But you UofL fans believe it and believe in it, which I love. I love it because it makes you all look stupid, plain and simple.... no offense.

 

[Rhavic]

Ladies, ladies! Calm down!
We all know that it's only wrong for kids to go professional in basketball, under Cal! Who cares if a kid leaves when he's too soft for the NFL in football! It's not a big deal, because it isn't Cal, and it isn't basketball. It's Bobby-Neckbrace, and football in Lulzville.
As much as you linebeards preach about "he ain't L1C4, she ain't L1C4, dey ain't L1C4, we da L1C4 lyfestyle", you all sure do pick and choose what it applies to.

In terms of bragging about how many kids you all ship off to the league (and I've seen it a lot, you all have went back and forth with schools like LSU who produces much more NFL talent, and brags about sending players to the league), you football program is more advanced only in that regard. You all are a basketball school by every sense of the word. I love watching your fan base shape this mythical "L1C4" culture to fit the current state of your school. At this time, it's that football players don't care nearly as much about staying all 4 years, and your basketball players are all nearly forced to stay 4 years because they're rarely good enough to make it in the league, let alone stay there.

 

[JimmyJimmy]

Krazzy, the UofLsucksville fans that can post here are not gona spew the kind of dirty bird crap here for fear of being banned. So they come here and try to sound reasonable and understanding and act as if they care. Fact is their scum (that's what they call us, our players, coaches over on their board or worse). Read their crap, they are not discussing anything, they are trying to justify and correct every thing you say about them and losserville. Go to one of their numerous UK negative post or post where they dog us out over any little thing and try to do what they do here. You will be ridiculed and slapped down then banned for trying to "have a discussion"

Why give them the opportunity to "discuss" things here. They know who they are and they are nothing but set up peons for the haters who are banned from here...zippy, kerryroids and the rest of the fools over there who take the things you "discuss" back to their board and use to make you look how ever ridiculous they want.

Go ahead and discuss away but I will all ways let them know they are not welcomed here because this is a UK board for UK fans. Our game is over, we beat them down again, rivalry week is over til the next time we play. Stealer and the rest of you losserville fools head on back to your sinking ship, your daddy zipp is calling. We don't need you to come here and justify your nonexistence when your needed on your board to help swell Dicktino and Neckbracetrino's heads so they can feel good about their selves.

Zippy, remember I take my coffee black the next time I come thru your drive thru window. Get it right for once.

 

[hmt5000]

yep, outside bud and Z we get everyone back on D and lose only miller on the offensive side that contributed much. we get 2 transfers from nebraska (neither kicked out or asked to leave) we bring in a top 30 to 25 class while ul brings in a 35 to 45 class with mostly juco's. one thing strong did really well was rs kids and prepare them for the college game. bp is bringing in transfers and juco's to fill holes. why does ul have so many holes? this is only year 2! shouldn't you guys be worried that after 4 years you are gonna have a roster with very few 5th year seniors that have been in your program for 5 years.


ps, im not sure sample is better than stamps. i think ul got exposed a bit by uga and they got a bunch of int's off of bad plays by mostly bad qb's. holliman is real good and they did provide a steady pass rush to force bad throws. we'll see but i think the kid is making a mistake.