Another scientific study puts the dagger in the heart of global warmists

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A new study out of Germany casts further doubt on the so-called global warming "consensus" by suggesting the atmosphere may be less sensitive to increases in carbon dioxide emissions than most scientists think.



A study by scientists at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Meteorology found that man-made aerosols had a much smaller cooling effect on the atmosphere during the 20th Century than was previously thought. Why is this big news? It means increases in carbon dioxide emissions likely cause less warming than most climate models suggest.



What do aerosols have to do with anything? Well, aerosols are created from human activities like burning coal, driving cars or from fires. There are also natural aerosols like clouds and fog. Aerosols tend to reflect solar energy back into space, giving them a cooling effect that somewhat offsets warming from increased CO2 emissions.



The Max Planck study suggests "that aerosol radiative forcing is less negative and more certain than is commonly believed." In layman's terms, aerosols are offsetting less global warming than was previously thought. And if aerosols aren't causing as much cooling, it must mean carbon dioxide must be causing less warming than climate models predict.



"Going forward we should expect less warming from future greenhouse gas emissions than climate models are projecting," write climate scientists Pat Michaels and Chip Knappenberger with the libertarian Cato Institute, adding that this study could be a "death blow" to global warming hysteria.

























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Independent climate researcher Nick Lewis put out a study last year with Georgia Tech's Dr. Judith Curry that found that the climate's response to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 levels - a measurement called "climate sensitivity" was 1.64 degrees Celsius.



Lewis revised his findings based on the Max Planck aerosol study and found something astounding: climate sensitivity drops dramatically. Lewis also looked at climate sensitivity estimates given by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - often regarded as the world's top authority on global warming.



The IPCC's latest assessment put climate sensitivity between 1.5 and 4.5 degrees Celsius. The IPCC says that despite "the large uncertainty range, there is a high confidence that aerosols have offset a substantial portion of [greenhouse gas] global mean forcing."



Basically, the IPCC says aerosols deflect a lot of warming - the opposite of the Max Planck study's finding.







But incorporating the results from the Max Planck study dramatically reduces the upper bound estimate of climate sensitivity from 4.5 degrees to 1.8 degrees Celsius.



To put this into perspective, atmospheric concentrations of CO2 currently stand at around 400 parts per million, if this were to double, according to the IPCC's estimates temperatures could rise as high as 4.5 degrees Celsius.



But incorporate the Max Planck study results and warming would only be as high as 1.8 degrees Celsius - less than half what the IPCC originally predicted.



Michaels and Knappenberger say Lewis's findings basically eliminate "the possibility of catastrophic climate change-that is, climate change that proceeds at a rate that exceeds our ability to keep up."



"Such a result will also necessarily drive down estimates of social cost of carbon thereby undermining a key argument use by federal agencies to support increasingly burdensome regulations which seek to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," write Michaels and Knappenberger.
 
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You do realize every single reference/link you used all agree that global warming is occurring and they are debating the rate at which it is occurring?
 

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Well s--t, another bad real estate move on my part

I bought land 5 miles inland in the hopes it would be oceanfront in a couple decades. Hope I can find a buyer.
 

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Everyone agrees that slight warming has occurred as we come out of the mini Ice Age. Real question is always been what is man's involvement. The alarmists believe that man is primarily responsible and that the warming will become catastrophic. The climate models used to predict future temperatures have all been wrong. Studies like this demonstrate that the alarmism is unfounded.

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Admit it. You either didnt read that story at all or you did read it and it made no sense to you at all?

Consensus isnt science.
 

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This whole CO2 thing is bogus. CO2 is at almost Geologic time lows right


now. There are many periods of time in the geologic life of this planet that CO2 was at 10 times the concentration than it is today. Matter of fact if CO2 levels were much lower than they already are plant life would struggle to survive. Rather than spend trillions of dollars and divert middle class money to the Algore's of the world maybe we should look at real science rather than what the facists from the left drum up to support their worldwide oppressive government scheme.
 

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Originally posted by dave:
Admit it. You either didnt read that story at all or you did read it and it made no sense to you at all?.
I doubt you're willing to admit the same.



the atmosphere may be less sensitive to increases in carbon dioxide emissions than most scientists think. This isn't saying CO2 has no effect, only that perhaps it has a smaller effect, so we are still talking about rate of warming just as countryroads said.

means increases in carbon dioxide emissions likely cause less warming than most climate models suggest. Again, not that there is no effect, just less effect, so we are still talking about rate of warming just as countryroads said.

Aerosols tend to reflect solar energy back into space, giving them a cooling effect that somewhat offsets warming from increased CO2 emissions. Somewhat offsets, not completely offsets, so we are still talking about rate of warming just as countryroads said.

"Going forward we should expect less warming from future greenhouse gas emissions than climate models are projecting," Less warming from greenhouse gases, not no warming, so we are still talking about rate of warming just as countryroads said.

But incorporating the results from the Max Planck study dramatically reduces the upper bound estimate of climate sensitivity from 4.5 degrees to 1.8 degrees Celsius. Still talking about a lower rate of warming, just as countryroads said.


This is just one study, so if it turns out to be verified by others via peer review, this is really great news and it will help to make the models more accurate. The goal should always be to put partisan politics aside and find the truth and act on that truth. In doing so, you have to accept all data, not just the data that supports your position.
 

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I have no idea why your reply suggests that i didnt read the story. Perhaps like most of the folks on here you assume you know what others think when you don't. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Good to see you agree with all the faux news watchers on here who have all said from the beginning that the global warming hysteria was just that....hysteria. now you join the faux news watchers hoping that actual science rules the day and not consensus.

Luckily we have only forced industry to spend 10's of billions of dollars to cut emissions based on hysteria instead of science.
 

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Yeah, another shocker, can't see why I would suggest that

Originally posted by dave:
I have no idea why your reply suggests that i didnt read the story. Perhaps like most of the folks on here you assume you know what others think when you don't. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
CountryRoads said "You do realize every single reference/link you used all agree that global warming is occurring and they are debating the rate at which it is occurring?"

To which you responded that he either didn't read the story or did read it and didn't understand it.

It would be pretty unusual to suggest to somebody that they didn't read an article, or if they did, they didn't understand it if you came to the same conclusion they did. Therefore, it would only be logical to assume you came to a different conclusion.

I wasn't questioning or suggesting you didn't read the article, only that you didn't understand it, because there was nothing that was inaccurate about CountryRoads' statement. Everything in this article is still referencing a rate of warming, exactly as CountryRoads said.
 

dave

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Re: Yeah, another shocker, can't see why I would suggest that

Neither of you seem to understand the point of the article still. You and he are caught up with celebrating the information that suggests there is actual warming because you are scared to face the realization that you have rallied behinf the bysteria.

The point of the story is that science has grossly overestimated the affect of carbon to the environment and those projections have been the basis of 10+ billion dollars of upgrades that were not necessary.

But you keep giving countrytard a reach around because your god science wasnt totally wrong.