Another UK hater with the answer for fixing the "system"

[CatBallou252]

See if you can guess which school this idiot is a fan of?

"The truth is the University of Kentucky supports a
glorified D-League to win games. That is their decision and their fans
support it. The NCAA supports it. Obviously, AAU, Nike and others
have supported it. Cal has ran with it where a bunch of coaches
wouldn't including Pitino. That is their choice.

This really
is a bigger picture issue is the UK system good for college basketball?
Is it good for college basketball for a group of people to come
together to create a D-League team in a college environment? This
system only benefits a very small percentage of schools. UK isn't the
only one but they have just been selected to be the flagship. You are
starting to see other schools with the same affiliations becoming
players for the elite kids. Duke, Arizona , NC, Syracuse, and Kansas
have always been in the system. The new comers like Baylor and LSU are
starting to get the left overs. Is funneling all the elite players to a
select number of schools a good thing for college basketball? The long
term answer is no it only hurts the game.

The one and done has
to be dealt with by the NCAA. If the NBA isn't going to work with the
NCAA then the NCAA has to do what is best for the majority. The Big 10
has thrown the idea out there to make freshman Ineligible that will
never fly. The easiest fix is to put in a APR rule that penalizes a
team for having too many one and done players. Develop a APR model to
address the one and done that discourages schools from collecting elite
players. it will force coaches and universities to limit how many guys
can be funneled to their school. It doesn't address the one and done
players but it does spread the talent around to other teams. Bottom
line is you can't have a system that creates an un level playing field.
That is what we have today.

People may say everyone can create
what UK that is BS because there are only x amount of elite athletes.
Put the UK system in terms of a draft. Basically UK gets the first 3 to
5 picks each year. If it was just Cal ability to recruit then OK but
that isn't what it is. It is a group of people that are funneling kids
to UK. Cal just gets to pick and choose which ones fit his style. Not
only does he get to choose but he doesn't have to look real hard. His
evaluation process is much easier. Adidas and others could partner with
Louisville funnel all their best players to Louisville. Under Armour
could do the same for Maryland. That is not good for the college game.
It is great for UK and I have always said it is a brilliant system.

Like it or not that system is on cruise control and nothing is going to stop it."

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

These articles are so ridiculous.

People are just mad because Cal does his job better than any coach in America and gets these elite athletes to come to UK.

Institute a penalty in the APR to penalize one and dones? Why? lol

 

[UKrazycat2_rivals]

 

[TruBluCatFan]

We are not a D-League team dammit. We are a young kick *** NBA team.
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[CatBallou252]

Maybe these other schools just need to get a bigger funnel?

 

[letitrainuk_rivals88012]

How is that supposed to work. You can't tell a kid he can't come play for a certain school. Is he or the coach suppose to predict he's a OAD? A lot of people thought the Harrison twins were OAD.
There's a lot of haters out there grasping at straws trying to fix the rules. If they want to fix that rule they'll open it up for kids to go straight to the league or if they go to college they have to stay more tan one year. That will allow UK to load up and then the rest of college basketball will get the trickle down effect.

 

[TankedCat]

the bigger picture is its about priorities

UK has had 5 different coaches win national titles - thru a plethora of rule changes designed to slow them down and take away advantages they created for themselves.

If they "fix" the one and done system, Cal may not be successful but history shows UK will be.

DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Eric Bledsoe told the world that UK was a designation for NBA ready players.

The players that have followed have confirmed it.

What are they going to do? start limiting players based on skillset? - essentially telling kids they can't go to the school that has a spot for them because it would give that school an advantage over everyone else?

At this point do you really want what is best for the player or just best for your school? Until the other programs get that, then they're going to be on the outside looking in.

Your priority is about not losing to Kentucky when it should be about attracting the best players to your school.


This post was edited on 3/12 9:28 AM by TankedCat

 

[Nuke99m.]

Sounds alot like what Lachlan McClain was spewing last night before I turned him off.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

His proposal was almost as bad as the dumbass one somebody posted on here about limiting the amount of McD's AA per team.
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[WACB]

I think a schools APR should be cut in half every time one of it's players rapes somebody.

Just to keep things fair.

 

[jwheat]

Whats funny is that we start a junior and two sophomores, and we would be starting two juniors had Poy not gotten hurt.


They get mad when they leave after one year and they get mad when they stay.

They hate us cuz they anus

 

[dckala2_rivals16641]

Not our fault pitino can't develop 5 stars.

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

This can't be right. I distinctly remember UofL fans saying that they had the 3 best players in the game when we played. And that their other players weren't far off either.

So this proposal to limit elite players would really hurt them worse.
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[bluedog79]

one and done doesn't always work out. Duke lost their *** last year using One and done. John Wall team got upset. This talk of hurting the game is because we are undefeated and people are scared we might go on a UCLA type run. If it was Duke that was unbeaten these articles wouldn't exist.

 

[jc2010]

Didn't Cal just get the lecture that he had made his bed and must lie in it, that UK was reaping what they had sown?

 

[AnarchoNeoLuddite_rivals]

Yeah, folks would rather teams be like Izzo and MSU. Have the old college spirit, try and take chickensh@it players and turn them into chicken salad in 4 years, not win games and bemoan the whole system when your team is garbage but be doing it the right way.

 

[jlbeam3]

"Cal has ran..."

I stopped right there.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

If this was golf, UK would have a +4 handicap. Louisville would have a -19 on paper but be capable of shooting in the high 70's if they needed to.

They have to say Cal has players funneled to his system, otherwise they would have to realize how often Rick has lost recruits when going against Cal. They would have to realize that they have an opinion of Rick that isn't supported by the facts.

 

[TankedCat]

Originally posted by AnarchoNeoLuddite:
Yeah, folks would rather teams be like Izzo and MSU. Have the old college spirit, try and take chickensh@it players and turn them into chicken salad in 4 years, not win games and bemoan the whole system when your team is garbage but be doing it the right way.

Izzo is very thinned skin when it comes to criticism. He was heralded for his each of his players to attend at least 1 final four for a long period of time, then that kind of fell off lately and I think he's feeling some pressure.

Izzo, while a very good coach, would have been a mistake as a hire here at UK because he would implode during a bad year here.

That said, he was very successful with his method - but I don't think his recent struggles have anything to do with what Kentucky is doing.

 

[fuzz77]

I've put this out there before but I will do so again. If the NCAA wanted to address early entry for the reason of protecting competitive balance they could limit schools to 15 scholarships that once awarded cannot be reused for 4 years unless the kid graduates in less time. That's 2 extra scholarships over what is currently allowed so it does give some leeway for transfers, dismissals and taking a kid who is potentially...one and done.

Not advocating the adoption of such rules but I wouldn't be surprised that if some point something similar wasn't adopted, perhaps as a compromise for those who advocate freshman being ineligible. Remember, NCAA rules are made and adopted by the member institutions and the adoption of those rules would have little if any affect on 98% of the member schools.

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Before opening the thread, my guess was IU. Same kind of crap comes from them, too.

 

[YouKay]

Originally posted by TankedCat:

Originally posted by AnarchoNeoLuddite:
Yeah, folks would rather teams be like Izzo and MSU. Have the old college spirit, try and take chickensh@it players and turn them into chicken salad in 4 years, not win games and bemoan the whole system when your team is garbage but be doing it the right way.

Izzo is very thinned skin when it comes to criticism. He was heralded for his each of his players to attend at least 1 final four for a long period of time, then that kind of fell off lately and I think he's feeling some pressure.

Izzo, while a very good coach, would have been a mistake as a hire here at UK because he would implode during a bad year here.

That said, he was very successful with his method - but I don't think his recent struggles have anything to do with what Kentucky is doing.

Not sure about that - a few years ago a player like James Young would have gone to MSU and been a star. Izzo can't get those 5 star players to stay home anymore. MSU just isn't attractive enough tlo get guys from other parts of the country. And there aren't enough 3-4 star guys he can keep for 4 years and coach up to compete with the 5 star freshmen and sophomores.

The fact is the McDonald's All Americans get that designation for a reason - there are about 20 really good players coming out of HS every year, if UK gets 4 of them and Duke gets 3 and Kansas gets 3, that leaves 10 for everyone else including MSU, UL, UNC, Syracuse, Arizona, UCLA, Ohio State, IU, Florida, etc.

 

[TankedCat]

Originally posted by fuzz77:

I've put this out there before but I will do so again. If the NCAA wanted to address early entry for the reason of protecting competitive balance they could limit schools to 15 scholarships that once awarded cannot be reused for 4 years unless the kid graduates in less time. That's 2 extra scholarships over what is currently allowed so it does give some leeway for transfers, dismissals and taking a kid who is potentially...one and done.

Not advocating the adoption of such rules but I wouldn't be surprised that if some point something similar wasn't adopted, perhaps as a compromise for those who advocate freshman being ineligible. Remember, NCAA rules are made and adopted by the member institutions and the adoption of those rules would have little if any affect on 98% of the member schools.

interesting concept but a program would figure out a way to have one and dones become walk-ons or provide academic scholarships, and then the whole argument of "he's isn't breaking the rules but he's exploiting the system" would return.

John Calipari isn't going to be at Kentucky forever - and the programs are going to have to live with the same restrictions they've implemented after he is gone.

Take IU - they've lost almost as many players to transfer or being kicked off or whatever than UK has to the pro's.

So in a rule system like that, they'd go 2 or 3 years lucky to field a team capable of winning 8 games

The freshmen inelgibility rule is also problematic because it doesn't force the hand of the NBA, it would just result in the NBA opening up the NBDL to them with "evaluation contracts" or have some innovative foreign teams start catering to future NBA stars. All it would do , IMO, is remove 10% of players from going to college - and that is self defeating

 

[rickscot]

So, basically this guy is saying the NCAA should allocate players to certain colleges and take away high school athletes freedom to choose his preferred school. Yeh. We see how the NCAA has done such a wonderful job with the responsibilities already on their plate....

 

[Lumpy 2]

Disregarding the fact that the whole post is idiotic, how is what he's proposing going to do anything to discourage the 1 and done situation? It would do nothing to decrease the number of 1 and dones, just force them to go to places where they can't get proper coaching to help them prepare for the next level.

 

[Anon1712931820]

LOL didn't Maryland and Under Armor already try to "funnel" some players to their program? Didn't work out too well now did it with the Twins.

These people are just little bi**hes who cry because there teams cannot compete with Cal's recruiting. If you offered any coach in America the opportunity to swap their roster with our roster almost every single one who jump at the offer.

 

[UKWildcatT]

Was this another article the OP wrote?

 

[yoshukai]

NEWSFLASH , no matter what rules are implemented , Kentucky , Kansas , Duke , and "maybe" North Carolina will STILL get the best recruitable basketball players .

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Originally posted by Nuke99m:

Sounds alot like what Lachlan McClain was spewing last night before I turned him off.

I didn't hear it, but that is hilarious. He's a fan of Virginia for crying out loud. They are basically the polar opposite of UK and they have won 2 ACC titles in a row, and have 2 losses on the season, and have won all but one game with their best player out. They prove you can win without the evil OADs that evil UK gets. Lachlan seems to have lost whatever sense he used to have. The writer of that drivel in the OP is about as stupid as stupid gets.

 

[UKWildcatT]

Originally posted by rickscot:

So, basically this guy is saying the NCAA should allocate players to certain colleges and take away high school athletes freedom to choose his preferred school. Yeh. We see how the NCAA has done such a wonderful job with the responsibilities already on their plate....

Well, he's basically advocating socialism/communism (no difference except socialists will murder your name if you disagree with them and communists will just murder you)

Kentucky embraces the capitalistic approach: live your dream and when you can, earn your $


I prefer both in life and on the court

 

[Cats192]

The fallacy:

College basketball is about acedemia, amateurism, school pride and blah blah blah.
The reality: Everyone profits off of these kids and their talent--except of course the kids and their families. Fans that say we are ruining COLLEGE basketball keep glorifying it as this pure thing that shouldn't be about money. Open your eyes. Every TV timeout is about money.

Secondarily: You want to punish kids for going off to be millionaires after 1 year of college? How is that not the ultimate success of a college? I went to WKU for Chemistry/Pre-med. If WKU Chem was making multiple millionaires after a single year under them--they'd advertise the hell out of that. But, it's somehow bad if you don't use your education to get paid?

Lastly--an APR hit may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You're going to punish next year's kids because last year's kids were too good at basketball? Cal's supposed to tell Thon Maker, "Sorry, I can't take you, you'll probably go pro, and KAT just went pro. Louisville hasn't sent anyone in a while, give them a call."

 

[STEVEGRO50]

He is right about one thing...not all teams can do it. Because not every team has a coach that can control so many egos and get them to play for each other.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Just listened to Lachlan's rant last night about Cal's philosophy being bad for basketball, and Good Lord was that just a moronic take. Hard to believe I used to think he was a rational, non-partisan guy. He's had this stick up his butt about Cal for years, but he used to hide it better. How he can look at the landscape of college basketball and conclude that Cal is ruining or is going to ruin the sport is so laughable. I emailed him my response, so I'll let you know what his answer is. I'm sure it will be just as laughable.

 

[tmuck]

Originally posted by UKWildcatT:
Was this another article the OP wrote?

Yep, under his UL username on CardinalAuthority.

 

[UKWildcatT]

Originally posted by SilentsAreGolden:
Just listened to Lachlan's rant last night about Cal's philosophy being bad for basketball, and Good Lord was that just a moronic take. Hard to believe I used to think he was a rational, non-partisan guy. He's had this stick up his butt about Cal for years, but he used to hide it better. How he can look at the landscape of college basketball and conclude that Cal is ruining or is going to ruin the sport is so laughable. I emailed him my response, so I'll let you know what his answer is. I'm sure it will be just as laughable.

Sucks that ESPN is getting these huge ratings. Damn UK!!!! Ruining CBB

 

[AnarchoNeoLuddite_rivals]

The thing with Izzo and Pitino and those whiny mofos is its all about them, the coaches and their system. If they dont get you ready for or to the NBA thats not their problem. Buts that is precisely the problem when your trying to recruit, kids know, Hey Tom Izzo dosent but guys in the NBA, why should I go there?

 

[KingOfBBN]

Okay, when are the mods going to ban this troll? This is the same poster who links tons of negative trash and is obviously a Louisville fan.He has link and credited so many ridiculous articles.

He linked the idiotic website of throwing games which got their Louisville love in throughout the article and he did it again with this crap. How does no one see this?>

Trolls are very obvious. Hey OP, you know where you can stick your 'article' , right? I know you're not a Kentucky fan.

This post was edited on 3/12 3:09 PM by HeismanWildcat85

 

[StubbornPenny]

Originally posted by YouKay:

Originally posted by TankedCat:

Originally posted by AnarchoNeoLuddite:
Yeah, folks would rather teams be like Izzo and MSU. Have the old college spirit, try and take chickensh@it players and turn them into chicken salad in 4 years, not win games and bemoan the whole system when your team is garbage but be doing it the right way.

Izzo is very thinned skin when it comes to criticism. He was heralded for his each of his players to attend at least 1 final four for a long period of time, then that kind of fell off lately and I think he's feeling some pressure.

Izzo, while a very good coach, would have been a mistake as a hire here at UK because he would implode during a bad year here.

That said, he was very successful with his method - but I don't think his recent struggles have anything to do with what Kentucky is doing.

Not sure about that - a few years ago a player like James Young would have gone to MSU and been a star. Izzo can't get those 5 star players to stay home anymore. MSU just isn't attractive enough tlo get guys from other parts of the country. And there aren't enough 3-4 star guys he can keep for 4 years and coach up to compete with the 5 star freshmen and sophomores.

The fact is the McDonald's All Americans get that designation for a reason - there are about 20 really good players coming out of HS every year, if UK gets 4 of them and Duke gets 3 and Kansas gets 3, that leaves 10 for everyone else including MSU, UL, UNC, Syracuse, Arizona, UCLA, Ohio State, IU, Florida, etc.

Good point, not a great example. James Young idolized Tayshaun Prince growing up, and has been a Kentucky fan his entire life. He's one of those rare kids that would probably have come to Kentucky even if Tubby were still coach (I'll hold off on saying BCG...)

BUT your premise is absolutely correct. With Kentucky (and a to a lesser extent, a couple other programs) grabbing more top talent, the second tier down suffers a lot with talent drain. Either they simply get less talent (UCLA, MSU), or try to take risks on talent with questionable character (Louisville, Florida), or have coaching quagmires (IU, maybe UCLA). Add in sanctions and future sanctions for Syracuse and UNC, and what we have left is the rich who are left get richer and richer, and everyone else suffers. It's no coincidence that the first two teams to have 9 McDAAs happened in the same year. It's a trend we'll see more and more, with Calipari and UK at the forefront.

It's good to be king...

 

[TTOWN CATS]

The morons that cry about UK having 9 McDonald's All-Americans probably don't realize they are spread across three recruiting classes. Not exactly cornering all of the Top 10 players or OADs each year.

 

[awf]

Originally posted by ymmot31:

If this was golf, UK would have a +4 handicap. Louisville would have a -19 on paper but be capable of shooting in the high 70's if they needed to.

They have to say Cal has players funneled to his system, otherwise they would have to realize how often Rick has lost recruits when going against Cal. They would have to realize that they have an opinion of Rick that isn't supported by the facts.

I have to disagree with your post some what. Pitino has publicly stated that when he finds out Cal is recruiting a kid he just backs off.