Antoine Davis feels "cheated" out of NCAA scoring record

[18IsTheMan]

He had 144 games to try to break Pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points, scored in 84 career games, but came up 4 points shy. He's upset that his 14-19 (9-11) team was not given an invite for the pay-to-play CBI to allow him the chance to break the record.

If you're given 144 games to accomplish what someone else accomplished in 84 games, you're not cheated.

Should stats from these pay-to-play post-season tournaments even count? These barely qualify as exhibition games.

Davis: Feel 'cheated' out of shot at NCAA record

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis, who finished four points shy of breaking Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record, told the AP he's "upset" about the Titans being denied an invitation to play in the CBI or inaugural College Hoops Postseason 8.

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[will110]

He had 144 games to try to break Pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points, scored in 84 career games, but came up 4 points shy. He's upset that his 14-19 (9-11) team was not given an invite for the pay-to-play CBI to allow him the chance to break the record.

If you're given 144 games to accomplish what someone else accomplished in 84 games, you're not cheated.

Should stats from these pay-to-play post-season tournaments even count? These barely qualify as exhibition games.

Davis: Feel 'cheated' out of shot at NCAA record

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis, who finished four points shy of breaking Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record, told the AP he's "upset" about the Titans being denied an invitation to play in the CBI or inaugural College Hoops Postseason 8.

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"Cheated"??? Yeah, ok. Your team sucked. You had plenty of opportunity to get 4 more points. If they'd been invited to a postseason tournament with a losing record like that it would have been a travesty.

 

[gamecxcks]

He had 144 games to try to break Pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points, scored in 84 career games, but came up 4 points shy. He's upset that his 14-19 (9-11) team was not given an invite for the pay-to-play CBI to allow him the chance to break the record.

If you're given 144 games to accomplish what someone else accomplished in 84 games, you're not cheated.

Should stats from these pay-to-play post-season tournaments even count? These barely qualify as exhibition games.

Davis: Feel 'cheated' out of shot at NCAA record

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis, who finished four points shy of breaking Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record, told the AP he's "upset" about the Titans being denied an invitation to play in the CBI or inaugural College Hoops Postseason 8.

www.espn.com

Pistol Pete didn’t have a three pointer to use either

 

[18IsTheMan]

"Cheated"??? Yeah, ok. Your team sucked. You had plenty of opportunity to get 4 more points. If they'd been invited to a postseason tournament with a losing record like that it would have been a travesty.

Yep. Participation trophy generation brat.

He DESERVED a 145th game to do what he couldn't get done in 144 games.

His team DESERVED an invitation to a PAY-TO-PLAY postseason tournament, in spite of playing to a 14-19 season record.

So much deserving going on.

Let's not forget, he was granted a 5th year of eligibility for the COVID year. Take away that 5th year and he would have finished 934 points shy of the record. If not for his 5th year, he would have finished 23rd overall in career points.

So he was given an entire whole extra season, 33 more games, but he's cheated for not going to the CBI.

 

[SSIGamecock]

He had 144 games to try to break Pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points, scored in 84 career games, but came up 4 points shy. He's upset that his 14-19 (9-11) team was not given an invite for the pay-to-play CBI to allow him the chance to break the record.

If you're given 144 games to accomplish what someone else accomplished in 84 games, you're not cheated.

Should stats from these pay-to-play post-season tournaments even count? These barely qualify as exhibition games.

Davis: Feel 'cheated' out of shot at NCAA record

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis, who finished four points shy of breaking Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record, told the AP he's "upset" about the Titans being denied an invitation to play in the CBI or inaugural College Hoops Postseason 8.

www.espn.com

Tweeted essentially the same thing in less characters the other day lol. What a crybaby. He got 5 years to do this vs Pistol Pete's 3 years. At the time Maravich was a freshman, freshman weren't even allowed to play at the varsity level, so his JV stats aren't even listed.

Aside from the guy getting an entire extra season of 30 games from 2020 the covid year, his team sucked. You don't deserve a post season if you didn't win your conference and you had an overall win % of .450 and a less than .500 win % in conference play.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Tweeted essentially the same thing in less characters the other day lol. What a crybaby. He got 5 years to to this vs Pistol Pete's 3 years. At the time Maravich was a freshman, freshman weren't even allowed to play at the varsity level, so his JV stats aren't even listed.

Aside from the guy getting an entire extra season of 30 games from 2020 the covid year, his team sucked. You don't deserve a post season if you didn't win your conference and you had an overall win % of .450 and a less than .500 win % in conference play.

At least we were spared the media being forced to celebrate him as the all-time NCAA scoring leader for points put up in a glorified scrimmage.

 

[SSIGamecock]

At least we were spared the media being forced to celebrate him as the all-time NCAA scoring leader for points put up in a glorified scrimmage.

Unpopular opinion among our community, but I don't like the fact that Parker White is celebrated as our all-time scoring leader and usurped Frye from his throne. White got an extra 10 games due to Covid year which allowed him to eventually pass Frye. If Frye had an extra 10 games, it wouldn't have been close.

 

[will110]

Tweeted essentially the same thing in less characters the other day lol. What a crybaby. He got 5 years to do this vs Pistol Pete's 3 years. At the time Maravich was a freshman, freshman weren't even allowed to play at the varsity level, so his JV stats aren't even listed.

Aside from the guy getting an entire extra season of 30 games from 2020 the covid year, his team sucked. You don't deserve a post season if you didn't win your conference and you had an overall win % of .450 and a less than .500 win % in conference play.

Maravich didn't have a 3 point line or shot clock either.

 

[will110]

Unpopular opinion among our community, but I don't like the fact that Parker White is celebrated as our all-time scoring leader and usurped Frye from his throne. White got an extra 10 games due to Covid year which allowed him to eventually pass Frye. If Frye had an extra 10 games, it wouldn't have been close.

While understandable, White is the scoring leader...he scored the most points. If Davis had gotten 4 more points, he'd be the basketball scoring leader whether we liked it or not.

It's not really a road you can go down...Frye played in 51 games and broke Ryan Succop's record, who only played in 40 games. And then you have the fact that bowl stats weren't counted until 2002.

 

[Prestonyte]

Pistol Pete was born dribbling a basketball - just watch some of the film !

 

[18IsTheMan]

While understandable, White is the scoring leader...he scored the most points. If Davis had gotten 4 more points, he'd be the basketball scoring leader whether we liked it or not.

It's not really a road you can go down...Frye played in 51 games and broke Ryan Succop's record, who only played in 40 games. And then you have the fact that bowl stats weren't counted until 2002.

Yeah, for White, it is what it is. He scored all his points in legitimate games. I think Davis' would present a more interesting situation. I seriously question whether stats from a pay-to-play post-season tournament should count at all. You're right, he would technically be the all-time leading scorer, but I have hard time thinking anyone would really take the record seriously if he had to play in the CBI to get it.

 

[will110]

Yeah, for White, it is what it is. He scored all his points in legitimate games. I think Davis' would present a more interesting situation. I seriously question whether stats from a pay-to-play post-season tournament should count at all. You're right, he would technically be the all-time leading scorer, but I have hard time thinking anyone would really take the record seriously if he had to play in the CBI to get it.

I agree with that. He'd be the official record holder, but most people would probably not remember him. It's kind of like the MLB homerun record. Who's the home run king? Hank Aaron would be most people's answer. Who has the record? Barry Bonds.

 

[SSIGamecock]

While understandable, White is the scoring leader...he scored the most points. If Davis had gotten 4 more points, he'd be the basketball scoring leader whether we liked it or not.

It's not really a road you can go down...Frye played in 51 games and broke Ryan Succop's record, who only played in 40 games. And then you have the fact that bowl stats weren't counted until 2002.

I understand by terms of leader, but those stats should not be counted towards any records other than single season. It is something no other players in history had access to.

*It is a very slippery slope though, because football season is longer now, stats in bowls count (potentially could play 15 games where only 20 years ago, you had a max of 12). Basketball has more games, baseball, etc. Seasons have been lengthened.

It's a matter of circumstances of Succop vs Frye because Frye started as a freshman and Succop didn't. White was granted a whole extra season of games that neither of them had.

 

[will110]

I understand by terms of leader, but those stats should not be counted towards any records other than single season. It is something no other players in history had access to.

It's a matter of circumstances of Succop vs Frye because Frye started as a freshman and Succop didn't. White was granted a whole extra season of games that neither of them had.

It is what it is, in my opinion. For decades, freshmen weren't allowed to play varsity sports. Before 1972, players only had 3 years to play, so every player who came after that had an opportunity that older players didn't. Same thing for bowl game stats that I mentioned previously. College football went to a 12 game schedule in 2006, so another opportunity for more games that older players never had.

Parsing out stats or not counting games because other players didn't have a similar opportunity is a real slippery slope...I just don't see how that can actually be done.

 

[SSIGamecock]

It is what it is, in my opinion. For decades, freshmen weren't allowed to play varsity sports. Before 1972, players only had 3 years to play, so every player who came after that had an opportunity that older players didn't. Same thing for bowl game stats that I mentioned previously. College football went to a 12 game schedule in 2006, so another opportunity for more games that older players never had.

Parsing out stats or not counting games because other players didn't have a similar opportunity is a real slippery slope...I just don't see how that can actually be done.

yeah, I was trying to type the slippery slope piece into my comment that is there now before I posted and somehow clicked enter and it posted. I added that back in before you responded.

 

[TheByrdman]

When I realized who his dad is, it does not surprise me to see him whining like a little *****. His dad is former Indiana, UAB, Texas Southern and current Detroit Mercy HC Mike Davis. Another thing, how about do just a tad bit better than 7 for f'ing 29 shooting in your last game? Maybe if you hit 35% of your shots in a situation where everyone was giving you the ball, you might have not needed a pay-of-play tournament invite to attempt to set the record. Someone needs to tell this guy to STFU and move on.

 

[CCUIrmo]

Didnt he also get a free season to play because of Covid that normally wouldnt have gotten? I think this is why he never got on another team, because he was a "Me first" player and many coaches wouldnt have wanted to deal with that. he would have always wanted the ball so he could score and be talked about as individual and not anything to do with a team.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Didnt he also get a free season to play because of Covid that normally wouldnt have gotten? I think this is why he never got on another team, because he was a "Me first" player and many coaches wouldnt have wanted to deal with that. he would have always wanted the ball so he could score and be talked about as individual and not anything to do with a team.

Yep. He was gifted 30 extra games to break the record, but is whining because he couldn't get one more exhibition game to "set the record"

 

[Prestonyte]

He had 144 games to try to break Pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points, scored in 84 career games, but came up 4 points shy. He's upset that his 14-19 (9-11) team was not given an invite for the pay-to-play CBI to allow him the chance to break the record.

If you're given 144 games to accomplish what someone else accomplished in 84 games, you're not cheated.

Should stats from these pay-to-play post-season tournaments even count? These barely qualify as exhibition games.

Davis: Feel 'cheated' out of shot at NCAA record

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis, who finished four points shy of breaking Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record, told the AP he's "upset" about the Titans being denied an invitation to play in the CBI or inaugural College Hoops Postseason 8.

www.espn.com

Cheated - NO
Failed (with ample opportunity) - YES

 

[Fried Chicken]

Yep. He was gifted 30 extra games to break the record, but is whining because he couldn't get one more exhibition game to "set the record"

I saw this earlier and it ridiculous he is upset. But I think some of the comments he is making is more aimed at the fact that people called the CBI to make their case against inviting them to the tournament. The reality is a team with that record has no business playing. It’s a freaking tournament they would’ve had to pay to be a part of and would’ve done it to get him the record. It would’ve been terrible had Maravich’s mark been broken this way. Glad people called to voice their opinion. I get that he didn’t like that, but at the same time he could’ve called and made his case.

This worked out for the best. It’s ridiculous he even got here.

I know this may be controversial, but I don’t agree with the NCAA giving Virginia Football players an entire season due to the events last fall. That was terrible. But what a competitive advantage they have (though it won’t matter) over other teams. They could have 7-year Seniors now.

 

[KingWard]

Does this bespeak an entitlement mentality? Just asking.

 

[atl-cock]

It is what it is, in my opinion. For decades, freshmen weren't allowed to play varsity sports. Before 1972, players only had 3 years to play, so every player who came after that had an opportunity that older players didn't. Same thing for bowl game stats that I mentioned previously. College football went to a 12 game schedule in 2006, so another opportunity for more games that older players never had.

Parsing out stats or not counting games because other players didn't have a similar opportunity is a real slippery slope...I just don't see how that can actually be done.

Babe Ruth or Roger Maris?

 

[SC95]

Even though it takes place in Clemson, I still enjoyed The Pistol: The Birth of Legend.

 

[atl-cock]

Even though it takes place in Clemson, I still enjoyed The Pistol: The Birth of Legend.

The Pistol's father was the head hoops coach at Clemron, and lifted the taters to a modicum of ACC success in the early '60s.

NC State came calling in 1962 to hire Press Maravich as Everett Case's successor-in-waiting (akin to Holbrook's hire as Tanner's assistant). The offered more than what Clemron was paying Press. AD and head football coach Frank Howard made no effort to keep Press. This, of course, speaks poorly of Howard.

Press and Pete ended up in Baton Rouge because the Pistol couldn't get an 800 on the SAT. Even if the Maraviches has stayed in Pickens Country, the 800 rule would have bitten them in the butt there too.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Does this bespeak an entitlement mentality? Just asking.

Hmmmm…complaining that your program didn’t pay $27,000 to play in an exhibition game so you could pad your stats.

Yeah, I’d say that’s entitlement.

 

[KingWard]

Hmmmm…complaining that your program didn’t pay $27,000 to play in an exhibition game so you could pad your stats.

Yeah, I’d say that’s entitlement.

Well, see, I thought it was, but these days, you hang that on somebody, it's viewed as some sort of bigotry.

 

[USCEDGE]

Hmmmm…complaining that your program didn’t pay $27,000 to play in an exhibition game so you could pad your stats.

Yeah, I’d say that’s entitlement.

No other team in that tournament was under .500 while Detroit-Mercy was 14-19. Cheated? Really?

 

[paladin181]

It is what it is, in my opinion. For decades, freshmen weren't allowed to play varsity sports. Before 1972, players only had 3 years to play, so every player who came after that had an opportunity that older players didn't. Same thing for bowl game stats that I mentioned previously. College football went to a 12 game schedule in 2006, so another opportunity for more games that older players never had.

Parsing out stats or not counting games because other players didn't have a similar opportunity is a real slippery slope...I just don't see how that can actually be done.

You do it by averaging points per game. Who has the highest is the highest scorer. There are other factors, too, though. Especially in football where a kicker can't kick 3 point FGs if the team is scoring a lot of TDs, or has problems getting across the 50.

 

[will110]

You do it by averaging points per game. Who has the highest is the highest scorer. There are other factors, too, though. Especially in football where a kicker can't kick 3 point FGs if the team is scoring a lot of TDs, or has problems getting across the 50.

Frye averaged 7.04 points per game.
Succop 6.28
White 6.34
Lattimore 8.48

By that metric Lattimore would be the all-time scoring leader, but it just doesn't work. He scored the most points per game, but he didn't score the most points. Those are two different stats.

 

[paladin181]

Frye averaged 7.04 points per game.
Succop 6.28
White 6.34
Lattimore 8.48

By that metric Lattimore would be the all-time scoring leader, but it just doesn't work. He scored the most points per game, but he didn't score the most points. Those are two different stats.

But it does work, since they played different amounts of games. Further, you make a minimum games played requirement. But it absolutely does work when comparing similar stats but different games played. On that note, how crazy is it that Lattimore averaged more than a TD a game?!

 

[will110]

But it does work, since they played different amounts of games. Further, you make a minimum games played requirement. But it absolutely does work when comparing similar stats but different games played. On that note, how crazy is it that Lattimore averaged more than a TD a game?!

Lattimore had an incredible career. Imagine what he does in 3 full seasons!

My point is total points scored and points per game are two different stats. You can't make one mean the other.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The covid year adds a wrinkle, but the best players who put up the biggest stats are gonna split early anyway.

 

[Hobcawcreekcock]

Pistol Pete didn’t have a three pointer to use either

Just think if Freshmen were allowed to play Varsity ball back then, he'd have had another year to score an additional 1,000-,1200 points. Maravich was somewhat of a ball hog, but he was by far the best player at LSU, hell in the entire country as well. For those old enough to have seen him play, he was a complete player. He could handle the ball like no body's business, shoot, jump, dish amazing assists, and drive to the hoop.