Anything New?

[ciswilldean3215_rivals]

Anything new guys? New recruiting info before signing day? Anything?

 

[zipp_rivals]

There's a lot of activity going on now leading up to NSD. But you're not going to find much on a free football board.

Recruiting info is the bread and butter of these websites and publishers. You need to consider a subscription to their publications and/or the premium content on their websites.

I don't use twitter, but I understand that recruits say a lot of things there too.

Once the news is out and widely discussed, a commitment as an example, you'll see info here. But as far as insider info and info from reliable sources, you're not gonna see much of that here...

 

[Big_Tasty_Muffin]

It'll be an interesting couple of weeks.

IMO our biggest target is RB Dexter Williams, I think we have a shot at him. But from what I've read he's leaning toward Notre Dame.

We are close on several really good WR's. The three best that are not committed are Jordan Cronkite, Davante Peete and Brandon Martin. Martin is 6 foot 4, Peete is 6 foot 5. We have a good shot at getting those two.

A lot of rumors out there of other schools trying to steal some of our guys already committed but typically we steal a few of other schools commits on signing day. Either way we will sign a full class and I'm sure the staff will get who the type of players they want in there system.


All in all I think we finish the year ranked somewhere around 30-35 in recruits. It's somewhat disappointing to me but then again Bobby always gets "his" guys that can play his type of football.

 

[zipp_rivals]

Originally posted by Big_Tasty_Muffin:
...All in all I think we finish the year ranked somewhere around 30-35 in recruits. It's somewhat disappointing to me but then again Bobby always gets "his" guys that can play his type of football.Just curious why that would be disappointing to you? That would in fact be a better national ranking (by Rivals) than three of the four recruiting classes brought in by Charlie Strong...

 

[PushupMan]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by Big_Tasty_Muffin:
...All in all I think we finish the year ranked somewhere around 30-35 in recruits. It's somewhat disappointing to me but then again Bobby always gets "his" guys that can play his type of football.

Just curious why that would be disappointing to you? That would in fact be a better national ranking (by Rivals) than three of the four recruiting classes brought in by Charlie Strong...

Not Big_Tasty_Muffin, but I do share his disappointment. Charlie was recruiting to win the Big East, where our toughest competition was West Virginia (47th in the Rivals 2011 recruiting rankings compared to Louisville's 29th). Bobby is recruiting to win the ACC, where we are trying to beat Florida State (currently ranked 2nd in the 2015 Rivals recruiting rankings) and Clemson (3rd).

With our new membership in the ACC, I will be disappointed if we don't at least finish higher than Coach Strong's 2011 class. We will need every talented player we can get, in addition to CBP's and CTG's brilliant coaching, to have a chance to win against the talent we will be seeing at FSU and Clemson.

 

[REDWAVEALERT_rivals]

Originally posted by Big_Tasty_Muffin:
It'll be an interesting couple of weeks.

IMO our biggest target is RB Dexter Williams, I think we have a shot at him. But from what I've read he's leaning toward Notre Dame.

We are close on several really good WR's. The three best that are not committed are Jordan Cronkite, Davante Peete and Brandon Martin. Martin is 6 foot 4, Peete is 6 foot 5. We have a good shot at getting those two.

A lot of rumors out there of other schools trying to steal some of our guys already committed but typically we steal a few of other schools commits on signing day. Either way we will sign a full class and I'm sure the staff will get who the type of players they want in there system.


All in all I think we finish the year ranked somewhere around 30-35 in recruits. It's somewhat disappointing to me but then again Bobby always gets "his" guys that can play his type of football.

Martin is no longer a UofL recruit. His visit was canceled and he tweeted that it wasn't on his end. So I take it that we are no longer after him because of a grade issue or something.

 

[REDWAVEALERT_rivals]

Originally posted by ciswilldean3215:
Anything new guys? New recruiting info before signing day? Anything?

Nothing breaking! Two of the National guys for another site predicted yesterday that Dexter Williams is UofL bound. GG Robinson says he's UofL bound but is visiting Florida this weekend. A lot of recruits do that though. Sheldrick Redwine seems to be a very soft verbal at this point.

Tim Cook isn't going to make it to campus because of a class not transferable or something so he's opened his recruiting back up and Terry Ramsey left the program over the weekend.

 

[Umlusa]

Where did you hear Dexter Wiliams is UofL bound? Everything I've heard says Notre Dame

 

[REDWAVEALERT_rivals]

I'm not real sure how to tell you without getting the post deleted. Like I said, two national writers from another site predicted him to UofL, just yesterday.

 

[REDWAVEALERT_rivals]

Disregard, I just went back and looked to see if there was any way I could share it without breaking any board rules but both have switched their predictions to ND.

 

[zipp_rivals]

Originally posted by PushupMan:
Not Big_Tasty_Muffin, but I do share his disappointment. Charlie was recruiting to win the Big East, where our toughest competition was West Virginia (47th in the Rivals 2011 recruiting rankings compared to Louisville's 29th). Bobby is recruiting to win the ACC, where we are trying to beat Florida State (currently ranked 2nd in the 2015 Rivals recruiting rankings) and Clemson (3rd).

With our new membership in the ACC, I will be disappointed if we don't at least finish higher than Coach Strong's 2011 class. We will need every talented player we can get, in addition to CBP's and CTG's brilliant coaching, to have a chance to win against the talent we will be seeing at FSU and Clemson."Recruiting" isn't a knob on the football machine that you move up from "Big East" to "ACC". Strong didn't turn away commitments because they were more than he needed to win the BEast. Every year, these coaches recruit the best crop of high school seniors they can get.

You just said you'll be disappointed if Petrino doesn't land a recruiting class that is better than Strong's BEST class. That's tall cotton. Strong and his staff were really good recruiters. They consistently brought in better players than U of L had ever recruited. Those are facts based on their Rivals ratings.

If you check teams like Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, TCU, etc. that have moved UP in conference affiliation, you'll find that their recruiting did NOT improve immediately if at all. Expecting U of L to buck that trend is probably unrealistic.

Fortunately, with Petrino and as BTM said, recruiting isn't as important as it is with your average coach. He's proven that everywhere he's been, he can compete with no better players than he has now. Any improvement he makes in recruiting should only make that job easier for him...

This post was edited on 1/21 12:40 PM by zipp

 

[ULCard17]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by PushupMan:
Not Big_Tasty_Muffin, but I do share his disappointment. Charlie was recruiting to win the Big East, where our toughest competition was West Virginia (47th in the Rivals 2011 recruiting rankings compared to Louisville's 29th). Bobby is recruiting to win the ACC, where we are trying to beat Florida State (currently ranked 2nd in the 2015 Rivals recruiting rankings) and Clemson (3rd).

With our new membership in the ACC, I will be disappointed if we don't at least finish higher than Coach Strong's 2011 class. We will need every talented player we can get, in addition to CBP's and CTG's brilliant coaching, to have a chance to win against the talent we will be seeing at FSU and Clemson."Recruiting" isn't a knob on the football machine that you move up from "Big East" to "ACC". Strong didn't turn away commitments because they were more than he needed to win the BEast. Every year, these coaches recruit the best crop of high school seniors they can get.

You just said you'll be disappointed if Petrino doesn't land a recruiting class that is better than Strong's BEST class. That's tall cotton. Strong and his staff were really good recruiters. They consistently brought in better players than U of L had ever recruited. Those are facts based on their Rivals ratings.

If you check teams like Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, TCU, etc. that have moved UP in conference affiliation, you'll find that their recruiting did NOT improve immediately if at all. Expecting U of L to buck that trend is probably unrealistic.

Fortunately, with Petrino and as BTM said, recruiting isn't as important as it is with your average coach. He's proven that everywhere he's been, he can compete with no better players than he has now. Any improvement he makes in recruiting should only make that job easier for him...

This post was edited on 1/21 12:40 PM by zipp

Add some depth in the game against FSU this past season and we probably wouldn't have run out of steam. I think adding depth is the key to taking us to the next level.

 

[zipp_rivals]

Forgot to add to the prior post that if we're hoping to get to FSU's level of recruiting, some of us are REALLY gonna be disappointed...

 

[beantowncard]

Originally posted by zipp:
Forgot to add to the prior post that if we're hoping to get to FSU's level of recruiting, some of us are REALLY gonna be disappointed...

It can be done, Zipp. We've come so far already - it will take what it's taken to this point. Time and hard work - and patience from the fan base. I believe we will get there. I'm not one to say "never".

 

[Big_Tasty_Muffin]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by Big_Tasty_Muffin:
...All in all I think we finish the year ranked somewhere around 30-35 in recruits. It's somewhat disappointing to me but then again Bobby always gets "his" guys that can play his type of football.Just curious why that would be disappointing to you? That would in fact be a better national ranking (by Rivals) than three of the four recruiting classes brought in by Charlie Strong...

Although it's his first year back, Bobby is a veteran coach and I have higher expectations. I also feel like we have a strong assistant coaching staff, several have been tabbed as very good recruiters.

I don't get hung up on rankings. Just because a recruit is a 3 star guy doesn't mean he won't leave here a first round pick. But if this program is going to get in the national championship discussion, we have to bring in talent on a conistent basis and build up depth. Is finishing in 20-25 range too much to ask for?

 

[zipp_rivals]

You don't need FSU's level of recruiting to win the ACC. Check what Petrino did at Arkansas. He challenged schools like Auburn, LSU, and Alabama with far less talent, as gauged by ratings services.

And yes, it is too much to ask for Top 20 recruiting classes right away. That's not my opinion, that's what history shows. TCU--which just finished outside the Top Four and should have probably been included--had recruiting classes in 2012, 2013, and 2014 ranked nationally no. 37, 30, and 50, respectively, according to Rivals. Those rankings bracket their move to the Big XII and obviously include most of their current players.

What can you learn from these FACTS?...
You don't jump in recruiting just because you move to a better conference.You don't need top-ranked recruiting classes to get great results on the field.Really good coaching trumps about everything in football.
NOTE: I didn't say that recruiting and recruit ratings don't matter. They're just not all that matters, nor are they even a requirement. That's why Jurich took a gamble and the PR fallout hiring Petrino.

Just don't tell me how much better our recruiting should be or must be. Neither are a given...

 

[Big_Tasty_Muffin]

We are never going to be in the top ten in recruiting. I can accept that. The teams that are in the top 10 are the traditional power houses that are there year in and year out.

The school I see is most comparable to is Oregon. They've had some really good classes (11-15 range) but on average they finish around the18-25 area. They have a great system that puts kids in the best position to succeed. This hasn't resulted in a NC but they are knocking on the door.

Not an easy thing to do but out of any team near the top, thats the team we COULD emulate to get to that level.

 

[birdteeth]

Anyone know how high Bobby's classes were ranked at Arkansas when he was shredding the sec west and winning the sugar bowl ?
2 star Harry Douglas 3 star Elvis Dumerville 3 star Eric woods could all hold their own in the acc I'm sure

This post was edited on 1/22 12:34 AM by birdteeth

 

[zipp_rivals]

Originally posted by birdteeth:
Anyone know how high Bobby's classes were ranked at Arkansas when he was shredding the sec west and winning the sugar bowl?...Posted this last nite on the Premium Board for Arkansas...

2010: Rivals class ranked no. 49 after an 8-5 record incl. a win in the Liberty Bowl
2011: Rivals class ranked no. 24 after an 10-3 record incl. a loss in the Sugar Bowl
2012: Rivals class ranked no. 34 after an 11-2 record incl. a win in the Cotton Bowl

Petrino wasn't reeling in 4- and 5-star guys at Arkansas and was winning without them in the SEC. That's why Jurich stuck his neck out hiring him, not because he would land Top 10 recruiting classes.

 

[ULCard17]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by birdteeth:
Anyone know how high Bobby's classes were ranked at Arkansas when he was shredding the sec west and winning the sugar bowl?...Posted this last nite on the Premium Board for Arkansas...

2010: Rivals class ranked no. 49 after an 8-5 record incl. a win in the Liberty Bowl
2011: Rivals class ranked no. 24 after an 10-3 record incl. a loss in the Sugar Bowl
2012: Rivals class ranked no. 34 after an 11-2 record incl. a win in the Cotton Bowl

Petrino wasn't reeling in 4- and 5-star guys at Arkansas and was winning without them in the SEC. That's why Jurich stuck his neck out hiring him, not because he would land Top 10 recruiting classes.

A great coach doesn't need the stars. They find the guys who fit into their system and ignore how many stars follow his name. That said, they will be thrilled to get a 4 or 5 star that fits into their system.

This post was edited on 1/22 8:16 AM by ULCard17

 

[ciswilldean3215_rivals]

Thanks for the info fellas. I wasn't expecting Petrino to recruit this well honestly. In with a lot of good HS players that should translate to good college players as well, regardless of star ranking system. I guess it helps when you have guys like Lamar Thomas on staff. Im pretty pleased so far. Look forward to seeing who all we reel in come signing day! Go Cards! Beat Everybody!

 

[birdteeth]

Originally posted by zipp:

Originally posted by birdteeth:
Anyone know how high Bobby's classes were ranked at Arkansas when he was shredding the sec west and winning the sugar bowl?...Posted this last nite on the Premium Board for Arkansas...

2010: Rivals class ranked no. 49 after an 8-5 record incl. a win in the Liberty Bowl
2011: Rivals class ranked no. 24 after an 10-3 record incl. a loss in the Sugar Bowl
2012: Rivals class ranked no. 34 after an 11-2 record incl. a win in the Cotton Bowl

Petrino wasn't reeling in 4- and 5-star guys at Arkansas and was winning without them in the SEC. That's why Jurich stuck his neck out hiring him, not because he would land Top 10 recruiting classes.

Ding ding ding
so with a top 20-30 recruiting class Bobby can't compete in the ACC but with the same ranked recruiting classes he could shred up the SEC West