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What's wrong is our authoritarian president declaring and emergency he created and in so doing circumventing the constitution and the fundamental separation of powers which is basic to our democratic republic. What's wrong is uninformed people like yourself who would rather be led around by the nose by a wannabe dictator who is systematically doing his best to destroy this country. Trump's autocratic tendencies are blueprint...tell everyone he's the only person who can fix things; denigrate the fundamentals of our democracy, declare the 4th estate the enemy, and lie to a point where people don't know what is the truth.
Are you ******* kidding me!! Trump created the border crisis so he could declare a national emergency!!! You are beyond stupid. What kind of blind uniformed mental midget would actually say Trump created the national emergency. Do you really believe there is no border crisis. You stupid Beto dim witted moron!! Leave this country please!
 

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Another inane juvenile rant from someone who is apparently incapable of debating the subject intelligently. It's not likely you are up to the task of making me to leave this country; however, it's people like you who have made me consider it. I suggest you make an effort to educate yourself on the subject of immigration. I'd start with a recent article by David Frumm in The Atlantic.
 

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I'm streaming Sling using 300 meg WIFI. Sunday for the first time, my kitchen TV froze and then the living room. It hasn't happened since. My house is full of Cat 5 cable. Should I have Bestbuy's Geek Squad come out and convert me to hard wire Ethernet connections?

fortworth and I got the memo.
 

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They've got walls all around El Paso. They were built in 2010, the crime rate in this
town has been consistently the same for the past 30 years. Building those barriers
hasn't changed a thing. If you trumpers did any research you'd find the crime rate
along the border is lower than the rest of the country. So much for this nonsense
that there's some kind of border emergency. trump wants those walls to pay off
those hacks that helped him get elected. Another 1% padding the pockets of his
1%er friends.
 

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I'm streaming Sling using 300 meg WIFI. Sunday for the first time, my kitchen TV froze and then the living room. It hasn't happened since. My house is full of Cat 5 cable. Should I have Bestbuy's Geek Squad come out and convert me to hard wire Ethernet connections?

fortworth and I got the memo.
What kind of router do you have?
 
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They've got walls all around El Paso. They were built in 2010, the crime rate in this
town has been consistently the same for the past 30 years. Building those barriers
hasn't changed a thing. If you trumpers did any research you'd find the crime rate
along the border is lower than the rest of the country. So much for this nonsense
that there's some kind of border emergency. trump wants those walls to pay off
those hacks that helped him get elected. Another 1% padding the pockets of his
1%er friends.
I'll trust more what guys like Mark Morgan and Mark Napier say about a border wall.
 

virgie76712

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Medic007. Arris from Grande Communications. No problems since Sunday. I found out Geek can't convert my Cat 5 plates to Ethernet compatibility. AT&T can.

Billyray gets it. Add Texas Sheriff's Association and Border Patrol.
 

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fortworth, we'd love to have you at Rivals Gator Lounge. owen, too.
To discuss politics, it would have to be at the lounge. Jeremiahxyz, you need to read Josh M's post before it's too late for you. You're posting knowing other's hands are tied. That's pretty low.

For those who continue to make political posts, you'd better tread lightly. Bans/Perma-bans are being contemplated. Trust me, I know.
 

fortworth4ou2

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Hey BillyRay, are political posts made on the premium board? Lots of major things going on in the world of politics.
 

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I really enjoyed most of the exchanges we had on the political threads. Some of the posts were interesting and enlightening for me.
But such exchanges never sway opposing views. Everyone draws a line in the sand, demonizing the other side and reflecting how divided this country is. That may be a reason why Josh has intervened.
I feel most of us have fallen victim to the propaganda we're fed by the media, politicians and Hollywood. And these three entities are just getting started.
 

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"What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this?";):D

Good bunch of Sooner brothers here.

Today is a changed world. Growing up, I watched my white mother make my dad a quart jar of ice water to carry under the car seat when we went down town so he wouldn't have to deal with WHITE ONLY and COLORED ONLY drinking fountains at Montgomery Ward and Oklahoma Tire and Supply. My father's appearance suggested American Indian.

At 17, I got thrown out of John's Superette. I dined at Charlie's on Lee Blvd. People like me didn't hang out at Wayne's. Wayne's was for whites. No room for mixes.

What we read on these boards is tame.
 

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Good bunch of Sooner brothers here.

Today is a changed world. Growing up, I watched my white mother make my dad a quart jar of ice water to carry under the car seat when we went down town so he wouldn't have to deal with WHITE ONLY and COLORED ONLY drinking fountains at Montgomery Ward and Oklahoma Tire and Supply. My father's appearance suggested American Indian.

At 17, I got thrown out of John's Superette. I dined at Charlie's on Lee Blvd. People like me didn't hang out at Wayne's. Wayne's was for whites. No room for mixes.

What we read on these boards is tame.
When I was a boy in the 1950's living in Houston, I saw the same restrictions on non-whites. I knew what signs in stores and restaurants that said "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" meant.
And even as an 8-10 year old, I was confused as to how God fearing people could be so full of hatred while claiming to be so righteous, while using the Bible to somehow justify their bigotry. The mental agility I could not understand....and I still don't at 70.
 

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What's wrong is our authoritarian president declaring and emergency he created and in so doing circumventing the constitution and the fundamental separation of powers which is basic to our democratic republic. What's wrong is uninformed people like yourself who would rather be led around by the nose by a wannabe dictator who is systematically doing his best to destroy this country. Trump's autocratic tendencies are blueprint...tell everyone he's the only person who can fix things; denigrate the fundamentals of our democracy, declare the 4th estate the enemy, and lie to a point where people don't know what is the truth.

So Trump created this?! You're a genius...………..

 

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CT's one of the brothers I've always had so much respect and admiration for. His kind has always been here. We've always needed more. Still do. iasooner and BillyRay are others. There are more. I can always pick them out. Although fortworth is new to me, I see the signs. vertas59 fits. I know I'm leaving some out.
 

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I will just lay this out there as things that make me scratch my head: after the scam with the parties in Chi, IF Avanatti gets a pass somehow there will be consequences and repercussions as Eddie Murphy said I believe...
 
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CT's one of the brothers I've always had so much respect and admiration for. His kind has always been here. We've always needed more. Still do. iasooner and BillyRay are others. There are more. I can always pick them out. Although fortworth is new to me, I see the signs. vertas59 fits. I know I'm leaving some out.
Raised in Oklahoma and Texas until I turned 12, having a mother who had Indian (Choctaw) roots and parents who nurtured me to reject bigotry, I have carried their influence throughout my life. I'm not trying to come across as pious here, but I am just grateful that while my parents' marriage ended in divorce after 33 years, they still did so much for me.
They sent me to a church sponsored camp in 1963 in upstate New York when I was 14, not realizing it was primarily for kids in NYC. Turned out I was the only white kid there among some 250 black and Puerto Rican kids. I was treated great, gained some friends and had fun....and it taught me how innocent kids are, away from the bigotry of the adult world.
In July, I'm visiting Europe by way of a cruise down the Rhine River. It starts in Amsterdam. It will enable me to visit the Anne Frank House which I've wanted to do since my youth. Her dairy, written while hiding from the Nazis from 1942-1844....25 months...is the second most read non-fiction book ever written next to the Bible. Having read it, I feel as though I know her personally and I'm now reading Anne Frank's biography and her father's biography. I regard her story as the world's most meaningful human interest story. She represented all that was lost in the Holocaust, not just the innocence but also the potential of so many people which included 1-1/2 million children. A young girl who had so much to say about life and the world even while hiding in a "secret annex" with 7 other people for two years, as a 13-15 year old is to me, incredible.
She died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in March 1945 of typhus, exposure and starvation 3-4 weeks before the camp was liberated. Only her father survived of the 8 people who hid during those two years.
One of her famous quotes was "I want to go on living even after my death".
 

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The Anne Frank Museum is a great experience. I'm sure you know, but just in case, they do sell out on a daily basis months beforehand. Order tickets early.
 

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The Anne Frank Museum is a great experience. I'm sure you know, but just in case, they do sell out on a daily basis months beforehand. Order tickets early.
I have to buy tickets 60 days prior on the internet. I can choose my time and the wait is minimal. Was that your experience ?
 
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I have to by tickets 60 days prior on the internet. I can choose my time and the wait is minimal. Was that your experience ?

Yes... but do set your calendar as a reminder and order them that day. Our experience was a tad different as we were on a cruise out of Amsterdam. So many passengers on the cruise (and another ship as well) went to the museum. We decided to arrive in Amsterdam 4 days earlier than when we sailed so we could take in the sights before the large crowds came in etc.

Everyone forms one line but they walk the line asking for reservation times and move you accordingly. It was a good experience. Certain parts were being renovated but we were able to take everything in. Enjoy the experience. It was a sombering visit.
 

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Yes... but do set your calendar as a reminder and order them that day. Our experience was a tad different as we were on a cruise out of Amsterdam. So many passengers on the cruise (and another ship as well) went to the museum. We decided to arrive in Amsterdam 4 days earlier than when we sailed so we could take in the sights before the large crowds came in etc.

Everyone forms one line but they walk the line asking for reservation times and move you accordingly. It was a good experience. Certain parts were being renovated but we were able to take everything in. Enjoy the experience. It was a sombering visit.
This is the info I needed most as far as waiting in line.
So if my pass says 9:45-10:00, that is when I go into the house/museum regardless of how long the line is.
We arrive in Amsterdam at 10:40 am on Saturday and have to get on the cruise ship by 5 pm. We then will have until 5 pm on Sunday before we start our trip on the Rhine River. Not sure which day to go. I'm leaning more towards going to the Anne Frank House the day we arrive in Amsterdam. I may be tired from the flight, but I will rise to the occasion. What would you do ?
Thanks, WNAS.
 

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CT, not sure if you are into art but Van Gogh and Rijks Museums are worth it if you are. Dam Square for a frozen genever and street entertainment is worth a view. Red light district is worth seeing also. Amsterdam is a city for older tourist and younger men.
 

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CT, not sure if you are into art but Van Gogh and Rijks Museums are worth it if you are. Dam Square for a frozen genever and street entertainment is worth a view. Red light district is worth seeing also. Amsterdam is a city for older tourist and younger men.
I'm into museums big time and those two museums are on my list to see.
I think the Dutch have a logical approach to marijuana and prostitution: keep it legal and keep it confined. My libertarian view is that I would rather be protected against assault, murder and theft than someone paying for sex or smoking a joint. Outlawing those two things makes no sense to me.
I also hear the pancakes are fabulous there as well.
SS, how did you like visiting the Ann Frank House ?
 

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This is the info I needed most as far as waiting in line.
So if my pass says 9:45-10:00, that is when I go into the house/museum regardless of how long the line is.
We arrive in Amsterdam at 10:40 am on Saturday and have to get on the cruise ship by 5 pm. We then will have until 5 pm on Sunday before we start our trip on the Rhine River. Not sure which day to go. I'm leaning more towards going to the Anne Frank House the day we arrive in Amsterdam. I may be tired from the flight, but I will rise to the occasion. What would you do ?
Thanks, WNAS.

If you don't have to be on the ship the next day at 5pm... I'd go that day. Believe me, you'll be tired. Time zone changes and plan for travel delays. Go day 2. BTW if your pass says 9:45-10am, they'll come out & move the line along etc. They did ours in pouring rain. Speaking of, it rains alot there... carry umbrellas!
 

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Amsterdam was a great visit. We had 3 days there and spent as much time as possible seeing the sites. We used Viator for a couple of tours and the rest we did on our own. It sounds like you have a wonderful trip ahead of you!
 

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If you don't have to be on the ship the next day at 5pm... I'd go that day. Believe me, you'll be tired. Time zone changes and plan for travel delays. Go day 2. BTW if your pass says 9:45-10am, they'll come out & move the line along etc. They did ours in pouring rain. Speaking of, it rains alot there... carry umbrellas!
What was your thoughts while visiting the Anne Frank House ? It has been conveyed to me that it's an emotional experience.
 

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Very moving experience no doubt. We went last May on a cruise. Our cruise ported in Rostock, Germany & we took the time to visit a Warnemuende concentration camp. My friend, it was mind boggling. Very somber place and it's been kept pretty much very original as one can. What a terrible scar on this world. Visitng both of these places brought her story to life. The Anne Frank museum IMO is must see for those who visit Amsterdam.
 

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CT, The Anne Frank House is very emotional and a very solemn experience. It is very hard to keep a dry eye in that place. I am a big art fan. Especially the impressionist and post impressionist era. There are some amazing artist actually painting on the streets. Especially watercolor artist in the summer. Make sure you visit the flower market on the canal. It is a stroll that should not be missed. I agree on the marijuana and sex trade. The red light district is very safe at all hours of the day. Very tightly controlled by organized crime that will simply hunt down any petty criminal and return stolen goods. I know this to be true to a group of Japanese tourist. I have spent a lot of time in Amsterdam over the years and know the city well. Shell global HQ is in The Hague (Den Haag) and have a big tech center is Essen. Amsterdam is very vibrant in the summer months.
 

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If you are susceptible to time change and are of no objection I recommend you take No-Doz (or 10 espresso) and over-the-counter sleeping aids of your choice. Jet lag does not get easier with age. These will make the difference of taking a few hours to a few minutes to start feeling up to the time change.
 

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Just make sure you carry lisinopril in case your ticker isn't up to all the excitement
 

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Good bunch of Sooner brothers here.

Today is a changed world. Growing up, I watched my white mother make my dad a quart jar of ice water to carry under the car seat when we went down town so he wouldn't have to deal with WHITE ONLY and COLORED ONLY drinking fountains at Montgomery Ward and Oklahoma Tire and Supply. My father's appearance suggested American Indian.

At 17, I got thrown out of John's Superette. I dined at Charlie's on Lee Blvd. People like me didn't hang out at Wayne's. Wayne's was for whites. No room for mixes.

What we read on these boards is tame.
Fellow lawton native here too SI. Was driving age by 1979, so you're correct waynes (and later mcdonalds across the street) was the hang out. but along with me and other LHS folks was the first teen-age black cowboy i ever saw, and i mean boots hat chew the whole bit. and sure he caught some grief but he stayed and pushed thru the bs til there was none. thats the only issue i can recall from that more tolerant era.