How about we just repeal the whole 4th amendment? That might prevent another 9/11 too.
Apple vs FBI - should Apple have to help FBI unlock phone
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Like have the workers sign disclosure agreements where they could be persecuted if a breeches occurs. Or have the workers only have knowledge of part of the coding. I don't know. Surely there are lots of smarter people than I that could come up with a solution.
The FBI is already asking for a bunch more cases on top of San Bernardino. It's just going to eventually open Pandora's Box for all legal cases if they do it for this one.
They don't have a gazillion square feet of supercomputers at Ft. Meade for nothing.
Actually I know very well what I'm talking about. It's what I do for a living.
Yes, devices are hacked all the time but they are hacked using malware, i.e. something planted on the device. Other intrusion methods that largely rely on the device owner's own weaknesses like easily guessed passwords. Brute force password hacking is a popular method but with the iPhone has a problem...after 10 consecutive wrong passwords the phone wipes itself thus destroying everything on the phone except the OS. Then that doesn't consider that if there were any sensitive info on the phone it is likely protected with another password.
Were it so easy the FBI wouldn't be asking Apple for help.
And yeah, the govt has lots of data collected and a lot of it is encrypted so while they have the encrypted message it doesn't mean they can read it.
You said the exact same thing earlier. Working in IT, or using Linux doesnt mean you know how to hack or understand it.
And yes Apple has protections, but they are not the this self destruct bastion of protection that you are claiming.
Iphone can be hacked and quite easily and has been for years. The issue isnt just getting the data from the phone, its something larger.
LEK, it depends a lot on what iOS they are running on the given phone. I'm not saying it can't be done, but with the later models it becomes much more difficult.
I think a point we are all missing here is that they aren't looking for actual data as much as the metadata which is tagged with location markers.
Disagree. I think its accessible. g0obcl1wn or ch1n2urnu7tz53 could probably find out though.
I didn't say it couldn't be done. My point is with each new iOS security becomes tighter with new advancements in encryption.
My favorite virus right now is the cryptovirus. Gets your data, encrypts it, then ransoms the key to uncode to get it off. Pretty brilliant.
This whole mess is nothing but political grandstanding. Apple offered to work with them through a FISA court so that all of this would be sealed. The FBI refused and decided to make it public to force a lawsuit. The government already has access to the iCloud data so they basically have access to all of the data on the phone. I don't know if it was a strategy or stupidity, but they changed the iCloud password. If they would have left it alone, they wouldn't need a backdoor into the phone.
Apple is a global company. If they are forced to do this for the US, they will be forced to do it for every other country where they do business. Are we going to be comfortable knowing that China, Russia, and tons of other countries are going to have a key to get into any device they choose. And how long will it be before some criminal organization gets a copy? Law enforcement has plenty of other tools at their disposal. They don't need this. The potential for harm far outweighs any good that could come from it.
Apple is a global company. If they are forced to do this for the US, they will be forced to do it for every other country where they do business. Are we going to be comfortable knowing that China, Russia, and tons of other countries are going to have a key to get into any device they choose. And how long will it be before some criminal organization gets a copy? Law enforcement has plenty of other tools at their disposal. They don't need this. The potential for harm far outweighs any good that could come from it.
There have been variations of that for several years now. I remember removing something LIKE it for a couple machines about 5-6 years ago. The manual removal process is a biatch!
why can't apple write the software to get into this phone and then in the next IOS update include something that will void the software they wrote for that one phone. seems like this could be a win win for everyone
That would be forward thinking, or thinking outside the box, and we can't have any of that when it comes to solutions for complex situations dealing with corporations and government. I applaud your effort though.
Our government can not be trusted when it comes to information gathering. After 9-11 they passed The Patriot Act. Everyone seemed to be in favor of it, at the time. In the years since it was passed it's been used a couple dozen times to go after suspected terrorists. It's been used many thousands of times to go after suspected drug dealers.
As they say, once the camel gets his nose under the tent...!
As they say, once the camel gets his nose under the tent...!
Bottom line is Apple is in a pickle.... Don't cooperate with the FYI and deal with the headache, or unlock it and open yourself up to a huge lawsuit. I'd do what they are doing now.
Agencies such as the FBI have been trying for years to gain access to phone information by taking companies like Apple to court and failed . They are trying a different tactic by using public fear to get what they cannot legally obtain . Apple didn't build a back door to decrypt their phones , the FBI wants to force them via court order to build a master key that would unlock any phone or iOS device .
This one phone does not warrant destabilizing security for millions of people . Decrypting that phone will do nothing to stop terrorism , there are plenty of jihaders to take whoever is on the phones place . So what's the point of forcing an American company to work for the FBI if it only puts a insignificant dent in terrorism ?
This one phone does not warrant destabilizing security for millions of people . Decrypting that phone will do nothing to stop terrorism , there are plenty of jihaders to take whoever is on the phones place . So what's the point of forcing an American company to work for the FBI if it only puts a insignificant dent in terrorism ?
Absolutely 100% emphatically NO! Apple should not help the govt in this situation . Our most immediate threat is our own govt. this has proven to b true throughout history. This is no exception
If Apple doesn't do it, won't the government just hire a bunch of their programmers to build it and then they'll have permanent access? Wouldn't that be worse? Apple is being naive here - the government is going to get in one way or another
Good point. I guess we should also just go ahead and take the locks off our houses and vehicles, too?
That's like saying a thief is going to take everything you have so you might as well take all of your belongings to his house and save him the trouble.
For whatever reason the FBI wants a key to Apple's house so that they can come and go when they want and without having the cops called on them.
Those are some pretty horrible analogies - you act like we have a choice in the matter. I don't want the government having the ability to do this, but they're going to get it. Personally, I'd prefer Apple build something with the ability to control who has access to it rather than the government hiring a bunch of Apple programmers and subsequently having the ability to do whatever they want with that technology.
Actually their analogies were pretty good.
Every encryption method is eventually cracked thus why people continue to change and update their encryption. The govt would have rather gotten this information without having to go to Apple thus their best efforts so far have failed. Apple doesn't care if they crack THIS phone, they don't want to be required to develop a "GovOS" that most assuredly they would be required update for every future version of iOS. Hack this phone and they've only got access to this phone, perhaps that3 version of iOS on that phone. Apple could protect future versions from the intrusion method used on that iOS.
Apple does not want to be responsible for creating a back door that would allow access to this and every past and future iPhone. That is what the govt wants.
They've been doing it for years. Not sure why some of you act like they aren't or haven't. The government has spent over a billion dollars on this already.
The Apple case is political and legal. But only naive people think they can't hack
The Apple case is political and legal. But only naive people think they can't hack
Again, it isn't that they cannot hack, it's how long it takes them to hack and the fact that with every new release of iOS or any other OS they have to rebuild the wheel because what they did to hack into the one version, doesn't necessarily work on the next. With time, information becomes stale and useless.
The gov can hack a phone but then they can't use that in court because it's illegally obtained information , if Apple builds them a master key then it will stand in court . That's what they've been fighting over in court battles previously with the gov losing those cases . The gov can't win in court so they are using terrorism to win .