I grew up around guns. Did some dove hunting as a boy. Was taught to be very cautious with guns, even if you know them to be unloaded. I have seen the dire impacts of misuse. It’s just been a very long time. While I would prefer not to have a gun in my house, I don’t want to be in the position of realizing I need one to protect others and be without.
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What's you plan for keeping them out of movie theaters, churches synagogues, Wal-Marts or shooting outdoor concert goers from a rooftop like ducks in a barrel?
BTW your solution for schools doesn't really sound all that simple:
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District had doubled its security budget in recent years, according to public documents, in part to comply with state legislation passed in the wake of a 2018 school shooting in which eight students and two teachers were killed. The district adopted an array of security measures that included its own police force, threat assessment teams at each school, a threat reporting system, social media monitoring software, fences around schools and a requirement that teachers lock their classroom doors, according to the security plan posted on the district’s website.
The Uvalde school district had an extensive safety plan. 19 children were killed anyway.
Even security plans that appear to be up to the latest research-based standards may have gaps and fall short of preventing the worst-case scenario, experts said.
www.nbcnews.com
I have several of various kinds. One thing may be best in one situation and another in a different situation. I'm ex military and security was my mos. I think people should have a weapon/weapons for security/safety, but just know if you ever point it, you are committing to likely use or having it taken away by the bad guy. We were taught to aim center mass, so you may have to kill.
Was a door left open?What's you plan for keeping them out of movie theaters, churches synagogues, Wal-Marts or shooting outdoor concert goers from a rooftop like ducks in a barrel?
BTW your solution for schools doesn't really sound all that simple:
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District had doubled its security budget in recent years, according to public documents, in part to comply with state legislation passed in the wake of a 2018 school shooting in which eight students and two teachers were killed. The district adopted an array of security measures that included its own police force, threat assessment teams at each school, a threat reporting system, social media monitoring software, fences around schools and a requirement that teachers lock their classroom doors, according to the security plan posted on the district’s website.
The Uvalde school district had an extensive safety plan. 19 children were killed anyway.
Even security plans that appear to be up to the latest research-based standards may have gaps and fall short of preventing the worst-case scenario, experts said.
Was the resource officer in the building when the shooter arrived?
It seems odd that people would criticize the police response, but then act as if there was an actual security measure in place. Creating a budget never saved a life. If you don’t train and educate your people, it is kind of like saying we outlawed the sale of guns but did not stop selling guns.
It seems crazy to me that people have a position on guns, but then act like the school had solid security in place for the kids, so we don’t need to further discuss that as an option.
I frequent secure buildings regularly as a lawyer. When people are educated and trained, doors are not left open and the officer with a gun is at the only public entrance.
Debate guns, but don’t diminish the need for well-trained security.
If I point a gun at a person, it will be to shoot center torso and to protect a life. Thanks for your insights and your service.
I'm not diminishing security measures. His argument was that it's easier to keep loons with guns out of schools than to keep them from getting guns in the first place. On that I totally disagree. And no mention from him or you on other places that are targets of loons and guns besides schools.
Yep.
Get what you (might) need now, and worry about the rest later.
I would get a pistol, too. I think there are more situations where a pistol could be more useful to you at home, and away.
Ammo is available now. It will cost you, but not like it did a year ago, plus you can actually walk in a store and buy it.
Well, the discussion elsewhere, before you mods closed the thread, was about protecting innocent kids from school shootings. This thread, as I understand it, was started for the discussion of the legal age of people buying ARs.
What is your point with the above-stated comment?
I have family members with gun safes, but wonder how a safe protects you if you are startled at night. How do you keep a gun accessible and safe?
That's a good question.
I don't have kids, so I haven't thought too much about it. A gun safe would primarily be used to make it difficult for someone to steal your stuff if they were to break in.
There are quick-access pistol safes designed to sit near your bedside and open via RFID tag or easy to use touchpad. I don't love that idea because....what if you can't get it open?
If I had kids around, I would have to think more about how to store my bedside pistol. I definitely wouldn't leave it unattended.
I don't really have that problem. Daughter and grand kids live 800 miles away and I live semi off grid. They say a trigger lock is the quickest, but you still have to unlock it. A biometric lock works with your fingerprint. For a close in encounter, a hammerless 38 revolver is great. It can be carried on your body (for concealed carry or around the house) where you keep control of it if kids are around and laid by your bed at night. I got the little lady a 38 S@W Bodyguard. I like it better than my 642. It's light weight, accurate for a little gun and hits with enough power to stop someone with out going through the neighbor's wall if you miss. With no hammer and no slide to rack, a bad guy in your face has little to grab on to. Some folks have built in hiding places in their home for something bigger.
I'm a fan of how Massachusetts operates when it comes to Guns - https://www.vox.com/2018/11/13/1765...s1Y9XIBUxoO6A5aG9T3xl1i-Lo3umRByfMNOgKm3XngVU
Massachusetts actually has a really interesting process which involves going to the police office for a permit - "Obtaining a gun permit is a potentially weeks-long process, which requires paperwork, an interview, a background check, and, even if you pass all of that, the police chief has some discretion to deny the license anyway "
Massachusetts actually has a really interesting process which involves going to the police office for a permit - "Obtaining a gun permit is a potentially weeks-long process, which requires paperwork, an interview, a background check, and, even if you pass all of that, the police chief has some discretion to deny the license anyway "
Thank God the bipartisan senate group is going to make straw purchases illegal. That will surely help a lot.
Police chief discretion regarding a constitutional right is unconstitutional.
Evidently you didn't read the article I'll give you the snippet tho.
If applicants make it through all of that, police departments can also use some discretion to decide whether the applicant is a threat to public safety — what’s known as the “suitability” standard. For an FID, police chiefs must petition a court. For an LTC, police chiefs can deem an applicant unsuitable on their own.
Police do not use the suitability standard very often. Among the police departments I spoke to, they said upwards of 95 percent of applications are accepted. It’s only in a few cases where there’s a denial, and most of the time it’s an automatic denial, when a disqualifier pops up in a background check.
Schools are a special case, because they're gun free zones, and they have the worst outcomes.What's you plan for keeping them out of movie theaters, churches synagogues, Wal-Marts or shooting outdoor concert goers from a rooftop like ducks in a barrel?
BTW your solution for schools doesn't really sound all that simple:
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District had doubled its security budget in recent years, according to public documents, in part to comply with state legislation passed in the wake of a 2018 school shooting in which eight students and two teachers were killed. The district adopted an array of security measures that included its own police force, threat assessment teams at each school, a threat reporting system, social media monitoring software, fences around schools and a requirement that teachers lock their classroom doors, according to the security plan posted on the district’s website.
The Uvalde school district had an extensive safety plan. 19 children were killed anyway.
Even security plans that appear to be up to the latest research-based standards may have gaps and fall short of preventing the worst-case scenario, experts said.
What's complicated about placing 2 to 5 Federal Marshall's at every public school campus in the country?
All it REALLY takes is 45 billion dollars per year, which our government flushes down the toilet everyday.
And, unlike that other "stuff", this WILL, you know, stop school shootings. That IS the goal, correct?
Armed Federal Marshalls, whose ONLY job is to secure the campus, and enforce a single point of entry.
OR
Count on mental health professionals to correctly diagnose and flag any loon that poses a threat.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. LOL
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This will be good news for most of us on this topic:
I did not read, but what you posted does not change my opinion. In additional to 2nd Amendment issues, the process you described has real due process problems, IMO.
Can't imagine it would of been approved if there was an issues... but perhaps your right and they will overturn this ruling one day.
The objective of Massachusetts however seems to be to make getting the permit process painfully long and tedious. Which likely deters a young man from going through all that to purchase a gun.
Wearing a ribbon will be as effective as this.
But it will make for nice soundbites on the campaign trail. (the REAL motivation here, not actually, you know, STOPPING school shootings.
Local and state governments are constantly doing things that are unconstitutional.
Look at Mexico. Just look at it.
Canadian dictator just said something like “Canadians don’t have the right to use a gun for self defense”.
THINK ABOUT THAT
It’s painfully obvious what the end game is, and I can’t believe any citizen would advocate for more gun laws.
Canadian dictator just said something like “Canadians don’t have the right to use a gun for self defense”.
THINK ABOUT THAT
It’s painfully obvious what the end game is, and I can’t believe any citizen would advocate for more gun laws.
Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches1.[2][3]
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If some guy named Godwin said it, it must be true. Did Mr Godwin have anything to say about our next door neighbor in Canada saying his people have no right to defend themselves with handguns?Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches1.[2][3]
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I have no issue against the new proposal. I see nothing that would infringe on my rights or anyone like me that is a 2A advocate.
Will it be effective? It’s certainly not going to keep most murders from happening. Gangs and criminals are not going to relent. But if it stops a few senseless shootings because someone was flagged for mental health issues, then it’s worth it.
But overall, the stats for gun murders are not going to drop. They will likely increase, especially in the long hot summer months.
But the truth is…nobody on the left gives 2 ***** about criminals murdering others with guns or black on black crime. To them, they don’t exist.
But at least something was done. And in DC, that’s a major accomplishment.
Will it be effective? It’s certainly not going to keep most murders from happening. Gangs and criminals are not going to relent. But if it stops a few senseless shootings because someone was flagged for mental health issues, then it’s worth it.
But overall, the stats for gun murders are not going to drop. They will likely increase, especially in the long hot summer months.
But the truth is…nobody on the left gives 2 ***** about criminals murdering others with guns or black on black crime. To them, they don’t exist.
But at least something was done. And in DC, that’s a major accomplishment.
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Many on the left said not enough was done and they want more. That is the crux here, take this then take some more. Don't forget the abortions issue when it was first championed and those pushing for it (libs) said that it was only going to be first trimester and they wanted nothing more. Some of us have not forgotten. Give and inch take a mile.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/depa...t sporting goods stores in suburban Milwaukee.
Dontray Mills was sentenced to a year of probation for illegally purchasing 27 guns, not 55 as has been reported.
Dontray Mills was arrested in April 2014 for using false identification to purchase 27 guns at sporting goods stores in suburban Milwaukee. He was charged with knowingly using false identification to buy guns and was released on bail, a local Fox affiliate reports:
Dontray Mills was eventually faced 55 total counts that included charges like buying firearms with fake identification and dealing weapons without a license — he was not, as has been reported, charged with buying 55 guns.
He struck a plea bargain with federal prosecutors and pleaded guilty to one count. In August 2015, U.S. District Judge Rudolph Randa sentence Mills to one year of probation and no jailtime, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports:
Will they plea down to 1 count on a 55 count indictment?
That is usually invoked regarding a nonsensical comparison. Like comparing Trump to a Nazi.Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches1.[2][3]
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The instance cited above actually happened, champ.
Those 55 charges would have more than likely been served concurrently (not consecutively) so 1 or 55 doesn’t matter. The sentence likely would have been the same.
Any comparisons to Hitler is nonsensical unless the person is guilty of murdering thousands of people like Hitler did, champ.
Not wrong but I wouldn’t expect someone with your political beliefs to realize just how awful your take is. Very few people in history deserve to be compared to Hitler. Trump doesn’t. Neither do the people trying to enact sensible gun regulation to make school shootings less frequent. You defending those comparisons doesn’t make you right. It makes you a bad person.
Pretty sure murder is illegal…apparently not much of a deterrent. Laws won’t fix it. Security is the first step. Holding negligent parents and school officials failing to report at risk minors should be held accountable. The freaking obvious weirdos just run amuck and everyone turns a blind eye
the Trump comparison is aimed at the morons who spent 4 years barking up that idiotic tree. Sorry you missed that. The rest is apt, whether you can bear to face it or not.
As for the “legislation”, there’s no reason to think more laws can stop gun violence. The places with the most restrictive laws have the most violence. Until some kind of legislation addresses the reasons for that, the rest is just pissing into the wind.