AR15 Age Limit
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When that day comes, we’ll have the Constitution to protect us from the attempted tyranny. And if that doesn’t stop them, well I guess we’ll need those guns.
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The threat of a WEF installed bastard son of a Cuban dictator taking away guns is not a good way to get people to give up their guns.
Maybe we should try to cure some of the mental health issues. Ya know like an improved nutrition plan, a decrease in work hours per week, etc
oh sorry, forgot we’re talking about the government, they don’t actually want problems solved, they just want to make some speech and take away more rights
what a great country
oh sorry, forgot we’re talking about the government, they don’t actually want problems solved, they just want to make some speech and take away more rights
what a great country
Kidding aside Mav, I have no problem with you having whatever type of weapon you want. But, I can think of about 15 drop outs that we went to high school with that had no business with an AR-15 at age 18. One of them was my step brother for a few years.
You can raise the age to 50 and it won’t matter.
Maybe treat the symptoms. Don’t pander for votes. But alas…politicians will be politicians.
I own hand guns. I personally don’t understand the AR phenomenon or even the need, but the way the government is going and the control they seek, I’m starting to come around. But I digress.
We let our kids vote, kill and die for our country at 18. But can’t buy smokes, booze(in places) and now some guns(POTUS proposed) until 21. Hmmmm
There is absolutely no law that will stop this madness.
The deterioration of the nuclear family
Media saturation/bias on both sides
Drugs
Lack of recognition and assistance for mental health issues
Social media
I’m sure other reasons can be named as causes for America’s deterioration. We’ve become a Godless society and just rely on our party leaders to tell us what to do. The folks that don’t do that are typically vilified and labeled.
No sane person wants our children to be murdered. And most sane people understand the answers don’t simply rely on more meaningless gun control measures.
Maybe treat the symptoms. Don’t pander for votes. But alas…politicians will be politicians.
I own hand guns. I personally don’t understand the AR phenomenon or even the need, but the way the government is going and the control they seek, I’m starting to come around. But I digress.
We let our kids vote, kill and die for our country at 18. But can’t buy smokes, booze(in places) and now some guns(POTUS proposed) until 21. Hmmmm
There is absolutely no law that will stop this madness.
The deterioration of the nuclear family
Media saturation/bias on both sides
Drugs
Lack of recognition and assistance for mental health issues
Social media
I’m sure other reasons can be named as causes for America’s deterioration. We’ve become a Godless society and just rely on our party leaders to tell us what to do. The folks that don’t do that are typically vilified and labeled.
No sane person wants our children to be murdered. And most sane people understand the answers don’t simply rely on more meaningless gun control measures.
Moreover, the country’s brightest and best aren’t running the government. Why would any highly intelligent person subject themselves to the public scrutiny and pressure of public office? You’re better off staying in the private sector…less BS and much higher pay. So, we’re stuck with B and C players in charge. Today’s political minds could have never conceived of the constitution or have been able to build this nation.
Tbf, when our FFs set forth to build this great nation it was a much less complicate world too. Nonetheless, they still did an amazing job setting up a document that is firm yet flexible.
A living document that can be changed or completely tossed if we the people so choose.
And also Tbf, most of us alive today even wouldnt be eligible to vote the way the original ideas were founded. So, there’s that.
But I agree, though disagree with it being an intelligence thing. Those people in Congresss aren’t stupid. They’re very smart. The problem is their smarts aren’t being used for this country. It’s being used for themselves. And to make themselves more rich.
If things continue the way they are, this county is headed for a French style revolution. The history is hauntingly similar.
Rising prices? Check.
Decreasing supply? Check.
Huge debt? Check.
Leadership that is clueless to the common people? Check.
A distrust of all things government and of the church? Checkity check.
It’s a building powder keg. And all it’s going to take is something breaking and you’ll have your match. (Like fuel skyrocketing or a natural disaster choking off the rest of the supply chain).
They can go for it, as we all know it's not an actual solution anyway. They arent interested in real solutions, just how to push blame and try to attract votes. Just the same as an "assault weapons ban" did nothing statistically to curb anything and just how "assault weapons" in general are an anomaly on gun murders
I’d rather have a cop standing guard at a school than have them sitting at a speed trap to write tickets for someone driving 10 mph over the limit
An important first step is for everyone to understand what is being proposed.
The proposal is NOT to arm the teachers and make them responsible for protecting the school or the children. The proposal is to stop advertising that the schools are soft targets, by posting “gun-free zone” signs on the property. And to allow any teacher to carry, if they choose to, and if they go through required training and certification.
Question: Due to the Tulsa shooting, are we going to add armed security and limited access to hospitals as well? What other public places are going to have to be fortified and heavily guarded?
The carnage on the highways is acceptable I suppose. Innocent kids die on the highways every day. It does make one wonder why those deaths are acceptable.
I also can’t understand how anyone thinks banning guns, etc., will stop this. Chicago is all one should need to consider to know it won’t work.
I was under the impression that the national debate is whether there should be more gun control legislation. Unsurprisingly, people on the right oppose such legislation.
But what I see on this board, on the various threads on this subject, are arguments from gun owners to do away with the gun control legislation already on the books. For example, there is a poster in another thread advocating to do away with any background checks altogether.
And then you raise the scepter of eliminating gun free zone laws at least with respect to schools. Let me ask you this - should an 18 year old student who legally owns a gun be able to take it to school in case he might have to defend against a mass shooter?
Seems like a good majority here would like to put an armed guard in every public space you could imagine.
I, for one, would rather not live in a country where I have to walk past an armed guard to go get my groceries.
tbh, I think a large number of Americans are pretty much in favor of just accepting the casualties v. letting government limit gun rights in any way, no where near the majority, but many millions are in that camp. They obviously won't come right out and say it, but they will oppose almost any potential solution on the grounds that "it won't work, don't trust the government, violates the 2nd Amendment, etc."
No. I think most reasonable Americans understand that you can’t legislate out of this. They understand that the nation is in serious disarray for lots of reasons and gun violence is the outreach.
And if you think adding more laws and restrictions are going to stop the evil or the mentally ill from doing this….we’ll good luck with that.
And if you think adding more laws and restrictions are going to stop the evil or the mentally ill from doing this….we’ll good luck with that.
So me pointing out that a TX governor wants a good NRA rating and will shift focus away from anything to do with guns is now “bashing the NRA”? C’mon…
Are we all just supposed to pretend that many here have not verbally destroyed teachers for the last couple of years? And now one of the solutions to this crisis according to the folks who apparently don’t like or trust teachers is to arm them? Again, c’mon.
The more guns solution is asinine. Imagine a man who decides to eat a large piece of cake everyday. A year later, he has a heart attack. The doc finds out about his daily cake habit. Do you think his solution is more cake?
Your last paragraph is just gross. Nothing will ever get solved by saying idiotic tribal/sheep **** like that. Get out of your bubble occasionally because no one wants what’s been happening. What a jackass thing to even say, and then attempt to link that nonsense to me personally.
Do you want our supposed leaders to talk about the crisis and throw ideas around, or just tweet thoughts and prayers and then say “well, I won’t talk any policy because the bodies aren’t in the ground yet.” This is a violent circle and I imagine you’ve been saying the same stuff you’re saying now for the last several years.
These shootings suck, and they would suck even more if one of my family was a victim.
With that said, I think the last two years have shown what OUR government is capable of. Lockdowns, mandatory rules, not my body-my choice, loss of employment and businesses if failure to comply, workforce issues due to government decisions, supply chain issues due to government decisions, skyrocketing gas due to government decisions, and Covid caused election changes that may have affected the presidential election. Never have I been much of conspiracy guy, but the last two years have shown me things that I never thought were ever going to happen in this country. Perhaps in Iran or Venezuela or Cuba or a place like that, but not in this country.
I will always believe in the second amendment for those reasons. If OUR government is capable of doing what they do to us now, when we are armed to the teeth, imagine what they could do to us if we were unarmed. Hate to imagine that possibility, but I no longed think it's crazy to believe a worse case scenario can come from within our borders.
Sad that I feel our possessing guns would be more important to save us from OUR government, than it would be from Russians, Chinese or alien invaders.
With that said, I think the last two years have shown what OUR government is capable of. Lockdowns, mandatory rules, not my body-my choice, loss of employment and businesses if failure to comply, workforce issues due to government decisions, supply chain issues due to government decisions, skyrocketing gas due to government decisions, and Covid caused election changes that may have affected the presidential election. Never have I been much of conspiracy guy, but the last two years have shown me things that I never thought were ever going to happen in this country. Perhaps in Iran or Venezuela or Cuba or a place like that, but not in this country.
I will always believe in the second amendment for those reasons. If OUR government is capable of doing what they do to us now, when we are armed to the teeth, imagine what they could do to us if we were unarmed. Hate to imagine that possibility, but I no longed think it's crazy to believe a worse case scenario can come from within our borders.
Sad that I feel our possessing guns would be more important to save us from OUR government, than it would be from Russians, Chinese or alien invaders.
Things are going so well in the world right now I would gladly turn in all my guns to one of the most corrupt entities in the world (US government)
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Under certain circumstances, yes!
If it is to defend himself. No need to let him believe he’s somehow deputized to be an enforcer of some sort. And only if the gun is legally owned and registered, and he went through the same training and certification required for conceal/carry permits. No one blinks an eye when 18 year olds join the USMC and they are issued firearms and trained how to use them. So why not 18 year old civilians?
"...we will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation and our communities each and every day." - Mondaire Jones, D-NY, yesterday
"OUT. OF. CIRCULATION."
"You will not stop us from advancing the Protecting Our Kids Act today," he added. "If the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. If the Supreme Court objects, we will expand it. And we will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation and our communities each and every day."
Translation: F*** the Constitution!
It will not stop at AR-15's and AK-47's. You have to understand that. Even Biden himself has said that he thinks 9mm pistols should be banned. Think about that for a second. If you ban a 9mm pistol you should ban ever semi-automatic weapon that shoots more than a single shot. There are a lot more dangerous weapons than a 9mm but the President of the United States says he wants to ban 9mm pistols.
I don't know what to say to this. Under this logic, people who legally own guns should be able to take them anywhere - on planes, in bars, to sporting events, etc. The mass shooter/terrorist would of course claim that he's there to "defend himself".
Sounds like a slippery slope fallacy.
Let’s cut the ********. Other than some anarchist urge to blow **** up, there is zero reason to have such weapons.
I’d be good if that’s the only weapon civilians could legally own to be honest.Should I be allowed to own one of these? For hunting?
^They're mechanically the exact same firearm....the ar just looks scary.
-the issue is magazine capacity. We can debate that.
-there is never going to be confiscation/outright bans....never gonna happen here without civil war.
^this is why we should look at mitigation as the only option.
-raising the age of purchase to 25 will make a dent in *school shootings*...May not have much effect on other types of gun violence...I'm looking at you Baltimore/Detroit/DC/St Louis/Chicago. But it will certainly help.
-an 18yo in the military receives *much* better training, undergoes extensive psychological evaluation and is under constant supervision. Nothing close to the same is possible for civilians. That is an invalid and tired argument.
-the issue is magazine capacity. We can debate that.
-there is never going to be confiscation/outright bans....never gonna happen here without civil war.
^this is why we should look at mitigation as the only option.
-raising the age of purchase to 25 will make a dent in *school shootings*...May not have much effect on other types of gun violence...I'm looking at you Baltimore/Detroit/DC/St Louis/Chicago. But it will certainly help.
-an 18yo in the military receives *much* better training, undergoes extensive psychological evaluation and is under constant supervision. Nothing close to the same is possible for civilians. That is an invalid and tired argument.
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