AR15 Age Limit
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Define “universal background” checks. I hear the term used a lot, but am not sure what it includes. For example, if you transfer a gun to a family member, do you need a background check?
A background check for a sale of a fire arm from seller who does not know the buyer seems rational to me (although I believe the federal government does not have the authority to mandate that for in-state transfers, I do admit that the Commerce Clause of the constitution has been broadly interpreted to include just about anything). But, if “universal” means absolutely no “transfers” (in quotes because some proposed legislation has not defined a transfer, so it could mean a gift from a father to a son or one family member to another), including those between family members, without a background check, then I might be in the 8%. But then, polling often does not explain terms before polling on terms.
It’s not “92 percent” either. Gun control supporters claim that 92 percent of Americans support background checks on all firearm transfers.[26] However, in November 2014, despite gun control supporters spending millions of dollars promoting a private sales background check ballot initiative in Washington, a state more receptive to gun control than most, the initiative was approved by 59 percent of voters.[27] Facing the same moneyed interests, in November 2016, Maine voters rejected a background check referendum by a margin of 52 to 48 percent.[28]That same year, Nevada voters adopted an unenforceable background check measure 50.45 to 49.55 percent.[29]
Plus, it will have zero impact on gun violence…none….if a criminal seeks to commit violence, they’re certainly willing to obtain a gun illegally. A number of mass shooters pass background checks. Pass the stupid law if you can, but it’s a waste of time.
Regarding state red flag laws, one commentator suggest these due process safeguards:
At a minimum, states should ensure any red-flag laws include the following constitutional and practical safeguards:
At a minimum, states should ensure any red-flag laws include the following constitutional and practical safeguards:
- Robust due process standards, including the right to an attorney in court proceedings, the ability to cross-examine witnesses, and opportunity to testify on one’s own behalf.
- Burden of proof on the state to continually prove its case by clear and convincing evidence. Incredibly low burdens of proof like ‘reasonable’ or ‘probable cause’ are insufficient.
- Limited emergency orders to stop serious threats of imminent harm.
- Clear and specific methods for notifying defendants of the allegations and their rights.
- Procedures for storing and returning seized firearms.
- Processes for immediately remedying clear mistakes.
- Policies to promptly restore a person’s Second Amendment rights after orders expire.
Do you think rape of women by men is a problem in this country in need of new laws? I don't agree with it but some reports say that 1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime. Would you be for more laws?
That goes for voting as well.
It's not about saving kids. If it was, by far the leading cause of death to children is abortion at 16,000,000 a year. And yes, a baby is a separate being from its mother with its own DNA so not just a mass of cells. Besides, Democrats are pushing for post birth abortion.
Not even doctors agree when it becomes a baby. It doesn’t even become a fetus until around 10 weeks. Until then it’s a zygote. And no Democrats aren’t pushing for post birth abortions.
The situations arent remotely the same. There aren’t ways/laws to prevent 18 year olds access to the means to commit rape. There are ways/laws to prevent them access to the means to commit these school shootings.
What if you cut off your penis? That would prevent rape, no? Matter of fact, if we cut off the penis of every male except those who work for the government then we could eliminate rape altogether. Do you care about rape or not?
Tell you what. If you cut yours off first then I support it. We regulate women’s bodies already in regards to abortion. Why shouldn’t we regulate men’s? You must support it since you support the move to end Roe v. Wade. If that’s the case then you support body regulation like that. Or are you a hypocrite?
If they really cared they would pass a law that a car wouldn’t start if any cell phone in the car is on. Haha
You're the one wanting to infringe on the 2nd amendment. My abortion position is because I feel that it's a separate human after about 7 weeks. We have the right to LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If you kill a baby before it's born you deprive it of all 3. But you really should go first since you want to raise age limits and ban AR's. It's the only logical way you can prevent rape.
Odd debate to speak about AR rifles and abortion in the same topic. Not sure those belong in the same conversation. AR’s aren’t inherently murder weapons; however, abortion, by definition, ends in a death. In fact…properly used, an AR saves lives. Half of the US population are women…our votes determine the legality of that act. There is no constitutional right to abortion, but there is a 2nd amendment. Liberals can’t seem to grasp that sentiment
Your position is based on your feelings. You explicitly say so. My position is based on my feelings. If you force a woman (especially a rape victim) to carry a baby to term, you are depriving her of all 3,
You are also wrong (which you are good at). I’ve never once stated that ARs should be banned. If 18 is too young to purchase a handgun, it should be too young to purchase an AR. I’m not wanting to infringe on anything. Evidently age limits fit within the 2nd amendment since they already exist. I’m also for longer waiting periods and stricter background checks. Those things also are already within the limits of the 2A since they too already exist.
Nice try though.
Is that nonsense really the best you got. It isn’t even worth breaking down. Of all the things full of complete ********, your post is at the top of the list. Conservatives (especially you it seems) can’t seem to grasp that sentiment.
^ doesn't know what infringe means....
Yawn. Anyone changed anyone else’s mind yet? I know these discussions could never possibly end with one conversation going in circles.
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You bring nothing of substance to any debate or discussion. You are simply a troll. Laugh, clown, you have nothing else to offer.
Nor do you. Lots of words, sure. You want me to "debate" some yokel extolling the virtues of the AR15 "saving lives"? Laughing is the response such stupidity deserves.
Long but very important.
Anyone thinking school shootings are “normalized” in America have not done an ounce of real research. They’re not normal at all, and nearly every American walking doesn’t even know someone associated with a “real” school shooting.
The media is creating propaganda and modern Americans, although it should be the opposite because of our association with Nazi Germany, are notoriously bad at shifting through propaganda. We simply can’t do it.
What the left ( discussing this issue impossible without politics) wants to do is call any incident where a round is fired on school ground a “school shooting”. They will literally fill the study with data of kids bringing guns to school to (show their friends) and an accidental discharge goes off hitting no one. This is what they pump as a “school shooting”.
Experts, because of political reasoning, cannot settle on a set statistical measure so many just lump in anything, including Johny shooting his shotgun in the air on the football field. When the MSM presents a study to you, this is what they’re doing. Stop falling for it.
Columbine or Uvalde style School shootings are not an epidemic in America. Not even close, even though one is too many. They RARELY happen at all. As a matter of fact, there’s been a steady decline in them since the 90’s. OOPS, the left can’t have that. We create paranoia in order to strip people’s affirmed rights away because boot licking is a virtue!
This is PURE propaganda.
What is an epidemic? Sugar intake, the opioid crisis fueled by bigpharm, or an out of control immigration policy which is adding to the issue of drugs and also (nowadays) a lack of housing and bogging down healthcare. Those are real problems that are affecting millions more than an AR15.
AR15’s aren’t even responsible for 2% of gun crimes in America. It’s as close to a non issue as it gets. But it’s Politically “GET’M” by the lobby that has allowed identity politics overrule the concept of common sense.
And this is easy to understand if you’re not political at all. Parents are shitting their pants at the idea of taking their kids to school, while they’re feeding them diabetes in a bottle which will be guaranteed to destroy their way of life, and kill them sooner, but no one talks about that. Your kids are probably 10,000 times more likely to die by an opioid addiction in their 20’s than even know someone associated with a real school shooting. It’s funny isn’t it? You don’t see CNN take on their SPONSORS and tackle that day in and day out do you?
If you are spending time on the gun issue, or spending way more time on it than the issues I just mentioned, there’s really only two ways to put it. You’re either a party hack who’s dumb and blind or you’re susceptible to propaganda by the MSM and refuse to take a real look past your own misunderstandings.
Creating a law and spending countless hours of focus, on AR legislation is so ridiculously stupid it’s hard to take some seriously at all that won’t shut up about this. It won’t stop one death in this country if someone really wants one and is hell bent on killing. This is all smoke screens and Americans continue to show the world why we’re not the best and the brightest.
What kind of moron wants to chip away at his own rights affirmed by a constitution over such nonsense? It’s hard to imagine these people exist.
If you want me to take age restrictions on guns seriously, then you have to take the real issues facing this country seriously first. . We’re not going to begin with issues that affect literally handfuls of people and ignore the epidemics.
I support zero gun legislation past what we already have. Most don’t even care about saving lives, that much is obvious by several issues in my post. This is just political to them.
My guns aren’t going anywhere because people can’t shift through propaganda. That’s your problem, not mine.
Anyone thinking school shootings are “normalized” in America have not done an ounce of real research. They’re not normal at all, and nearly every American walking doesn’t even know someone associated with a “real” school shooting.
The media is creating propaganda and modern Americans, although it should be the opposite because of our association with Nazi Germany, are notoriously bad at shifting through propaganda. We simply can’t do it.
What the left ( discussing this issue impossible without politics) wants to do is call any incident where a round is fired on school ground a “school shooting”. They will literally fill the study with data of kids bringing guns to school to (show their friends) and an accidental discharge goes off hitting no one. This is what they pump as a “school shooting”.
Experts, because of political reasoning, cannot settle on a set statistical measure so many just lump in anything, including Johny shooting his shotgun in the air on the football field. When the MSM presents a study to you, this is what they’re doing. Stop falling for it.
Columbine or Uvalde style School shootings are not an epidemic in America. Not even close, even though one is too many. They RARELY happen at all. As a matter of fact, there’s been a steady decline in them since the 90’s. OOPS, the left can’t have that. We create paranoia in order to strip people’s affirmed rights away because boot licking is a virtue!
This is PURE propaganda.
What is an epidemic? Sugar intake, the opioid crisis fueled by bigpharm, or an out of control immigration policy which is adding to the issue of drugs and also (nowadays) a lack of housing and bogging down healthcare. Those are real problems that are affecting millions more than an AR15.
AR15’s aren’t even responsible for 2% of gun crimes in America. It’s as close to a non issue as it gets. But it’s Politically “GET’M” by the lobby that has allowed identity politics overrule the concept of common sense.
And this is easy to understand if you’re not political at all. Parents are shitting their pants at the idea of taking their kids to school, while they’re feeding them diabetes in a bottle which will be guaranteed to destroy their way of life, and kill them sooner, but no one talks about that. Your kids are probably 10,000 times more likely to die by an opioid addiction in their 20’s than even know someone associated with a real school shooting. It’s funny isn’t it? You don’t see CNN take on their SPONSORS and tackle that day in and day out do you?
If you are spending time on the gun issue, or spending way more time on it than the issues I just mentioned, there’s really only two ways to put it. You’re either a party hack who’s dumb and blind or you’re susceptible to propaganda by the MSM and refuse to take a real look past your own misunderstandings.
Creating a law and spending countless hours of focus, on AR legislation is so ridiculously stupid it’s hard to take some seriously at all that won’t shut up about this. It won’t stop one death in this country if someone really wants one and is hell bent on killing. This is all smoke screens and Americans continue to show the world why we’re not the best and the brightest.
What kind of moron wants to chip away at his own rights affirmed by a constitution over such nonsense? It’s hard to imagine these people exist.
If you want me to take age restrictions on guns seriously, then you have to take the real issues facing this country seriously first. . We’re not going to begin with issues that affect literally handfuls of people and ignore the epidemics.
I support zero gun legislation past what we already have. Most don’t even care about saving lives, that much is obvious by several issues in my post. This is just political to them.
My guns aren’t going anywhere because people can’t shift through propaganda. That’s your problem, not mine.
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You just bait. You won’t offer any substance. But, I love that your response is to make me your barometer. That seems appropriate.
Number of K-12 school shooting in the United States from 1970 to May 2022 by active shooter status.
Number of K-12 school shooting in the United States from 1970 to May 2022 by active shooter status.
“Active shooter - exactly my point. lol.
Id have to see the study and look at the statistical measures they’re using. It’s not debatable that real “school shootings” claiming multiple random lives with purpose are not up since the 90’s. They are down. Many of these studies are highly misleading. You need to re read my post. Parents aren’t scared of a gang shooting in south Chicago.
I’m not taking about gang shootings or shootings that result in an injury or accidental injury - or the many school “shootings” where a kid fired into a locker. You haven’t studied this issue at all. And I can tell.
Care tackle the rest of the post defense or would you just like to continue to look past real issues. You’ve been watching too much MSM.
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Some people are in favor of gun control. Most on here are obviously not. But why label the opinions of those who are "propaganda" or the result of some conspiracy by "MSM"? That is what I don't understand about political discourse these days. It is no longer enough for those on the other side to just be wrong - now they are part of some nefarious conspiracy.
Where does one even begin to "tackle" that kind of craziness in your "Long, but very important" post?
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When was the AR put into the market?
Number of K-12 school shooting in the United States from 1970 to May 2022 by active shooter status.
I can politely disagree with people who half *** understand political science to a small degree. I cannot and will not be polite to ignorant, uneducated, party line minions on either side.
I was just debating a republican on capitalism run amok. It’s causing a lot of damage to this country. I’m not a party line guy. Not a Marxist at all but I do believe capitalism needs more regulations, for example.
I used the term propaganda because on the gun issue that’s exactly what it is. Purely. It’s easily proven if you’ll take a few days and look. There is no set criteria on school shootings, experts do not agree on what a school shooting even is.
and I actually studied this issue quite extensively for a paper during my social science run. I was obsessed with the topic because I lived through the columbine days (in middle school) and was obsessed with it back then. The second I was able to perform real research on it, I did.
Democrats, specially, want to add any incident they can find to label “school shootings” they’ll find studies by ideologues that add nonsense to the data and is not at all what parents are concerned about or what you think when you hear “school shooting”. But it’s swaying your opinion toward a resolution that won’t work anyway. That’s propaganda when the media understands this quite well, as do liberal politicians, but they promote it anyway.
Columbine and Uvalde type school shootings, or even ones with 1/3 of the death, have been on decline since the 90’s. It is not an epidemic, period. But we’re being led to believe it is.
Lol AR15’s are not even responsible for the top of thousands of categories of deaths per year. Why are we talking about this?
Wouldn’t you think MSNBC, CNN, the Washington post, the NYT etc should be asking more questions of their financial backers in bigpharm instead of this non issue?
There’s plenty I can blast a republican for. But I’m not scared to call the D’s out for their ******** because I hate the dishonesty they peddle in A LOT these days. Enough is enough, they aren’t checked anywhere in the media anymore and it’s causing a lot of problems in the nation. Yes this **** makes me rant.
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You believe, truly BELIEVE, that AR rifles are meant to be used in crimes and murder? As a self-defense weapon, yes, AR weapons save lives.
Let me tell you something I learned a long time ago. If it’s a self described leftist of any kind, do not debate weapons. They’re probably the most ignorant and uninformed people walking as it pertains to guns. I’ll never forget the reporter from the NYT that claimed he got PTSD from shooting an AR15 and before he went to the range said his biggest concern was recoil.
Recoil. An AR15.
“Assault rifles”.
These people think banning a standard magazine and lowering rounds will have gains.
They are some of the most dumb stubborn and propagandized people on earth for a single topic issue. There’s nothing you can do with them. They are guns and many of them are black. They’re also used by POPO and AR’s look like BATMAN launchers! That makes them highly suspicious.
Just put them on ignore or stop engaging. It’s a losing battle trying to argue with people that have no experience or knowledge on a topic but are the loudest idiots in the room.