I agree but I don't think Tyus would have looked as good playing with this team. DT should go to the staff and ask how can I be better and be a part of a championship type team next year. Changing teams will not cover up his weaknesses.
Are there any potential transfers?
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Ask Crank, he's Duke's most reliable insider.
Still stalking me? I noticed you had no answer earlier, yet you still pick. Quite a life you have carved out.
Honestly I laugh when you post because of your pic. You have the best pic here!! lol
I think it's the other way around. I think having DT run the point this year made tyus jones seem like a first team all american best ever point guard last year. When in reality he had a solid year in general and good year for frosh, but was flat out insane in big games and clutch moments. He had a lot of poor/average games, they just happened to be in wins. His shooting percentages for the season were far from great. Again, solid/good season was made spectacular by a championship delivered from clutch moments and big play in big games.
DT was the complete opposite, when ACC play came, his game got worse when typically frosh get better as the season goes on (Ingram & Jeter a little).
The new Gary imoAsk Crank, he's Duke's most reliable insider.
Stalking you? Yea you wish pal. I just find it funny that you would rather bash people who root for the same team you do. Doesn't really accomplish very much. Just continue to "crank it out" while you sit at your computer all day. GO DEVILSStill stalking me? I noticed you had no answer earlier, yet you still pick. Quite a life you have carved out.
My opinion on Thornton is he took too many boneheaded shots, wasn't very smart with the ball at times and didn't find the right man. But he was a freshman and I think he has the talent and is on the right team to improve on those things.
I think that there are two problems that are revealing themselves right now. One, we expected too much from him and if the expectations weren't so high, I don't think we would be so harsh on him and we would have a lot more patience with him as he develops. And that is not his fault.
Two, it appears that he believes he is better than he is. But this part is purely speculative and based off of 3rd, 4th, 5th party hearsay. But if it is true, his attitude needs to change in order for him to improve, or he should just go where he thinks he will be happy.
In the end, we can all agree that between Frank Jackson, Luke Kennard and Grayson Allen, Duke will have capable ball handlers and will have a great season next year even without Thornton. But I also think we're downplaying what kind of a loss it would be for the team.
All said and done, GO DUKE! on to next year with whoever will be on the roster!
I think that there are two problems that are revealing themselves right now. One, we expected too much from him and if the expectations weren't so high, I don't think we would be so harsh on him and we would have a lot more patience with him as he develops. And that is not his fault.
Two, it appears that he believes he is better than he is. But this part is purely speculative and based off of 3rd, 4th, 5th party hearsay. But if it is true, his attitude needs to change in order for him to improve, or he should just go where he thinks he will be happy.
In the end, we can all agree that between Frank Jackson, Luke Kennard and Grayson Allen, Duke will have capable ball handlers and will have a great season next year even without Thornton. But I also think we're downplaying what kind of a loss it would be for the team.
All said and done, GO DUKE! on to next year with whoever will be on the roster!
Are you just purposely forgetting Luke bringing the ball up to make your point? If so that's cool, I just want to know so I know how to continue.
I really hope DT stays. Call me crazy, but I tend to look at his struggles this year as a good thing, as now he appears to be a 3 or 4 year player, if you can have a PG on your roster for 4 years in this day and age that is huge (great competition for future 5 stars too.) Plus, we weren't winning the title this year anyway unless Russell Westbrook was our PG.
This is why I post more on the college basketball board than I do here. (Not saying it's a huge loss for this board). If I'm going to engage in a pissing match, I'd just assume it be with someone supporting a different team. People here (not calling anyONE out) tend to overreact to differing opinions and seem a little sensitive about a lot of things. Like you, I just don't get the reasoning behind it and wish those folks would use the ignore feature.
Sit @ my computer all day? You do realize that the two airlines I have flown today have WiFi, that phones, yes phones, can access? And I am not bashing anyone, rather, sticking up for a KID that played his heart off for Duke this last year. Some of you, however, paint him as the worst PG that has stepped foot on the campus @ Duke. Then, you in your shining brilliance, tried to weakly call me out on Bolden, yes, the same Bolden that again 70% of us have been saying he's going to UK (until yesterday that is). Then you actually say that K recruited FJ as a true PG. Come on man, get your facts straight.
I have no problem with Pisgah; he's a good guy, I just differ in opinion with him on this. You? You are obviously a troll. It is all good, we are not going to agree on everything, but if you are going to try and put me down, at least answer my posts where I clearly called you at above. Time to say hello to the ignore button. At least you get the last word.
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Almost as good as trying to "fight" at CTC. LOL. I even said, in a different thread, that I was cool with him, and to just let it roll. Nope. He got defensive the moment I asked him a serious question on his evaluation of FJ. Thank God for the ignore button.
Nope, Luke rarely brought the ball up. Read up further, I addressed that. The point is yet again that Luke and Grayson were not the primary handlers. You obviously differ in your opinion, and must have watched a different 36 games than I did. Not exactly why you are trying to jump in with show and the other clown now. I have no issue with you......
DT transferring would be the dumbest thing ever.. He's going to be the only true point guard on a National Championship contending team that has an offense that includes long range shooters, mid range shooters, slashers, & post players (including 3 potential NBA 1st round picks). He will have so many open looks and easy drives to the basket and he Can rack up assist all day long.
Dumbest thing for who you or DT?
If he leaves I doubt DT thinks it's the dumbest thing ever....you may think so but i doubt he cares what you think
I hope he stays but if not then i say good bye to him but won't say it's the dumbest thing ever for him
So who is the greatest center fielder whoever played the game. Is it Willie Mays, Micky Mantle, Ken Griffey Jr. ? It's way to early for Mike trout to be in the discussion though. Are other nominees. I'm going with Willie who I think is the best ever. By the way What does everyone think about the Charlotte Hornheel's late season run? And while we are on the subject of greatest who was the better horse. Secretariat or American Pharaoh. There is something else I've been wanting to ask this board for 10 years. Who's the best junk talker. Dusty "The American Dweam" Rhodes or Ric "The Nature Boy" Flair. Who remembers Fireball Roberts? I bet some of you that are in the YFC have no idea who Fireball is. Now the big question. See the new poll thread. OFC
Mantle, but I'm biased. My father used to hitchhike to see him play.
Letsgoduke301. Don't leave the board my friend. I'll seriously try to dodge the ignorance he launches day in and day out. I , Like you, prefer to pull for Duke along with all the Fans here rather than argue. Apologies to everybody for my thinking Frank Jackson will be good. Also apologies to the board and Dj. I'm done arguing.
I wasn't saying that I was leaving the board. I just post at the other board more. That's always been the case. Other than some of the game day threads, this is probably the most I have commented. I do like reading a lot of the different aspects on this board though.
I seriously watched a different 36 games? Then please, tell me who the primary ball handler was the majority of our season. What you're arguing has nothing to do with the thought that Luke and Grayson are more capable than anyone else coming in next year or on the current roster. Give me one player.
You are right....one of the problems Duke had was that they did not have a reliable ball handle per say to take over, that can be good and bad, more times than not the outlet was to whoever and if Ingram got the ball he brought it up. So anyone that is capable next year will bring it up, it will probably not be a designated guy and Duke will be ok as long as they rebound and play D....and that will be ok as long as we get in the play that K wants.
If you have a solid rotation and players capable of sharing the duties Duke will be fine, this will be in contrast to this past year where Duke was limited in many aspects, hopefully next year with or without DT that will not be the case.
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Exactly. This team and the next year's will most resemble 2009-2010 with multiple guys bringing the ball up the court. Unless of course Grayson stays and becomes the point guard.
With next year's team, versatility is key. Duke is getting two guys who were formerly listed as point guards in Jayson Tatum and Frank Jackson. But if they are playing that role, either Grayson didn't return, Luke couldn't catch on or DT doesn't come back. Jay and Frank could play that role potentially, but their gifts for right now seemingly would be better suited off the ball.
DT played 26 minutes per game, and was rarely, and I mean rarely off of the ball coming up the court. Did Grayson handle it? Yep, but not as often as DT (obvious), jones or Ingram. Luke rarely brought the ball up/was the primary handler. That is my point. Now, to answer your new/secondary question: Grayson can handle the ball, but if he, Matt, and especially Luke, are the primary, I see issues next year. They can improve, but the offense will stay the way it was, with little ability to break defenders down.
Technically the 10 championship team had two guys as the primary handlers: Jon and Nolan. Nolan was a Junior and was much farther along than Frank will be, both as true combo guards. That offense worked because of two things IMO:
- ability to rebound with anyone due to 4 rotating post players
- that rebounding, particularly offensive, leading to open 3's
Next years team will be able to drill 3's, but will they be able to offense rebound at that clip? Amile, yes, but who else?
I don't believe this transfer talk, its a rumor. No way in hell would you leave a super team like Duke, when K hands you the keys. Its just wishful thinking for the haters, because they know whats coming.
I expect Giles to be an even better offensive rebounder than Amile, and that is saying something. Bolden (knock on wood) shouldn't be too shabby either. And Tatum will rebound MUCH better than any of our SF's this year.
My biggest worry is definitely having a PG. Sure, in 2010 we won the title without a true PG, but we had a SR and JR capable of getting us into our offense. The 2010 wasn't very explosive, they were methodical and wore teams down with size and length, and also shot a high percentage.
Next years team has a chance to be dynamite. (Especially with Grayson &/or Bolden.) I'm talking regularly beat teams by 25+ type explosive. I worry that will be difficult though without a true PG.
A few reasons why next years team needs a true PG more than 2010...
1. We won't be nearly as experienced, and need someone to get us into an offense.
2. Scoring in general is up, and next years team has a chance to be a 90 ppg team, with a PG...
3. Shooters need to be able to spot up. Luke, Grayson, Matt especially.
Agree with all of it but we won't have that type of pg on the team with anyone signed or on the roster. DT isn't that type of PG, Grayson/Frank/Luke won't be that type of PG. Whoever brings the ball up next year will first get us into our offense, then become a scorer. Not one of them is a heavy create for others type player. Next year we don't have Tyus, Kyrie, Duhon, Jwill, or Hurley to create for others. Next year we will have 4 really good offensive threats on the court almost all of the time. This year at times we would only have 2 on the court, max of 3.
Is the DT situation all but a done deal? I feel like a lot of people are saying it's a forgone conclusion and there's no resolving this issue. (If this is insider stuff I understand and just ignore this post)
I am not sure how a kid who gets 26 minutes per game as a freshman that re-classified is looking to go somewhere else. If he's not happy with his performance, his team made it to the Sweet 16 -- on a team that was not (at all) deep -- I'm not seeing it.
The kid is a kid. Learned a lot and he is still growing in his game.Coming to Duke and being thrown into the ultimate college basketball fishbowl experience has _got_ to be hard. Dribble off his foot? Rodney Hood had issues keeping his lunch down. The reality we see on TV or in the stands is nothing like it is on the court. Me? Heck, I would try and not wet my shorts, before I barfed, and then dribbled the ball off my foot to miss the lay-up.
DT chose Duke -- that means I root for him. I hope he perseveres. If he made it through this year and improved this much -- I can't wait to see him next year.....in a Duke uniform.
The kid is a kid. Learned a lot and he is still growing in his game.Coming to Duke and being thrown into the ultimate college basketball fishbowl experience has _got_ to be hard. Dribble off his foot? Rodney Hood had issues keeping his lunch down. The reality we see on TV or in the stands is nothing like it is on the court. Me? Heck, I would try and not wet my shorts, before I barfed, and then dribbled the ball off my foot to miss the lay-up.
DT chose Duke -- that means I root for him. I hope he perseveres. If he made it through this year and improved this much -- I can't wait to see him next year.....in a Duke uniform.
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I'll go another direction concerning pg status for next season. I'm of the belief PG was a much more needed position THIS season. Next season I feel like players receiving passes won't need the opportunity of being placed into a perfect scoring position as almost everybody on the floor next season will have greater mobility and ball handling skills. Giles? Tatum? Jackson? Those players can catch then create space on their own. It's going to be soooo fun to watch this group, it may be more exciting than Oak , Ty and Justise. Regardless of who brings it up, we're getting it done next season .
Sky cannot believe you could ask this question. Everyone knows to be the man, you have to beat the man.WHOOOOOO
If DT is legit unhappy, I hope he leaves and finds his way somewhere else. If he's leaving based on PT and competition, he's being naive. There's always going to be competition, no matter where you go and on any level of athletics.
If he stays, I think he brings something different to the table than the other guards on the roster. Frank Jackson is supposed to be great on offense (and by all accounts he is), but can he bring the on-ball pressure on defense that DT has shown to be able to do? DT's offense will come, you can see the quickness and aggressiveness already. If he can apply that ball pressure and score consistently, no way K keeps him off the floor.
If he stays, I think he brings something different to the table than the other guards on the roster. Frank Jackson is supposed to be great on offense (and by all accounts he is), but can he bring the on-ball pressure on defense that DT has shown to be able to do? DT's offense will come, you can see the quickness and aggressiveness already. If he can apply that ball pressure and score consistently, no way K keeps him off the floor.
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