And these older folks did their duty before you; or you would have been speaking some other language. Go Cats!!
PS. Thank you for your service.
Article: Longtime Fans Says 2015 Might Be The Tipping Point
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PS. Thank you for your service.
I went to three games this season. I live 7 hours away from KY so I go to more away games. 2 away games and 1 home game cost me over $1000. That includes tickets, concessions, gas, hotel, food, parking, etc. Bought a 70 inch HD tv that was not much more. That is UK and every other sports teams competition.
Going to games has many positives, but there are far more negatives when it comes to watching KY Football in person. It simply costs too much time, money, energy, etc. to continue to financially support a losing program. Even if I lived in Lexington I doubt I would buy season tickets. It's not being a bandwagon fan anymore. It's about UK finally fielding a competitive SEC team that is worth the cost to the fans for being entertained. Right now, KY Football is not entertaining and if this is simply "just business" to UK when they screw with loyal fans seats, parking spots, etc. then nobody should condemn fans who are not going to purchase season tickets anymore because it's their "business decision" to just stay home and not have to continue to be disappointed with UK's football program.
Going to games has many positives, but there are far more negatives when it comes to watching KY Football in person. It simply costs too much time, money, energy, etc. to continue to financially support a losing program. Even if I lived in Lexington I doubt I would buy season tickets. It's not being a bandwagon fan anymore. It's about UK finally fielding a competitive SEC team that is worth the cost to the fans for being entertained. Right now, KY Football is not entertaining and if this is simply "just business" to UK when they screw with loyal fans seats, parking spots, etc. then nobody should condemn fans who are not going to purchase season tickets anymore because it's their "business decision" to just stay home and not have to continue to be disappointed with UK's football program.
Basic problem with your post is that we "paid up for years" and what did we get?? Same old ****!!!
If you're a fan and you're attending, my comments weren't meant for you. Maybe your parents were the exception to many of those of my generation.
If you play competitive football and win (or are in a position to win) your home games someone(of some age) will show up to watch.If you consider the totality of what we have put on the field the past two years there is little wonder(and who could blame them)that fans are beginning to question the reasons for holding season tickets.
Three years in we should have seen better than what we saw from this team.We were about 2 plays from being 3-9 against that schedule,c'mon man.
Three years in we should have seen better than what we saw from this team.We were about 2 plays from being 3-9 against that schedule,c'mon man.
Don't mind "paying-up" provided Football receives 100% of the benefits of our paying up. If I thought doing so would make Ky an SEC champion, I'd gladly pay triple the current ticket prices. .....but currently, that $ would go toward programs I don't give two rat hairs about....those would be any sport other than Football.
Sosa, what the Hell have you ever done for the US. Don't "bad-Mouth" some of the older generation unless you served your country. A lot of us didn't have to go to the military, but we did because we believed in our way of life. We didn't have to be drafted, we volunteered. I had a job as a Micro-biologist with the health dept., married with a child, but I went, and am proud of it. Our Greatest generation were the men and women who served their country in WW2, and their some of the nicest people I have ever met.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
I understand what you're saying, but there is an "intangible" about being at the game that you don't get by being at home.
Which doesn't even begin to come anywhere close to making up for everything else that is crappy, which by a far margin the most crappy is the on-field product
I said exactly the truth.... I suppose you're the three guys that they are writing about... Are you the three oldies that are giving up your season tickets? Let me tell you one thing, this is for the best of the program... Let me know where they're located at and I might take them off your hands... Get some of you old guys out of those seats, and replace you with young blood fans that are there to watch football...... You old people can meet together and go on a elderly picnic....
I bet everyone of you guys that griped about this response, gets mad when people stand up and cheers in front of you... We don't need that... We need fans that are not old scrooges... Gripe, gripe, gripe, that's all you old gents do....Now you have to gripe on the computer, because you're given up your tickets.. It's for the best old soul....
Just three wus fans that don't have a life..... "Oh, don't pay attention to Gary, he likes that old Mitch" Just pathetic.... If you old guys want to watch football, just wrap up in your electric blanket, put your foot warmers on, place your dentures back in your mouth and eat your pudding in front of the TV....
You 3 guys have come to late to the party.... Sale them old stale season tickets and quit griping ......
This is a new brand of game at Kentucky, we don't need your griping... Let the young fans take over for the future...
Too many people wanting better seats, we don't need to hear this... We have a new stadium now and we need to remove a few fans that gripe and spew gloom.... You guys are just old and miserable....
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How do you know you like football?If you are only 28 and a UK fan you haven't seem much f'n football in your lifetime,but it is great that you are a fan though.
To each his own. Obviously, those of us that have been attending for many years do so for reasons other than seeing our team win. We're not ignorant to the fact that our teams usually are sub-par.
I don't know, I just woke up one day and thought to myself, "You know, I like football".... Ever since then, I liked football.. Just an amazing phenomenon....
So at what point in one's life do they realize they like football or not? I started playing basketball when I 10 and knew that I loves it. Even made a career with it.
Someone is seriously going to get hurt at the games. I have never seen the amount of drunks ( not people drinking and having a good time), but people staggering around, puking, belligerent as hell, not even knowing their names. I came close to being taken to jail for knocking a drunk out. Its not worth it to me, and the gun at the end of the year is only the beginning. I will not be back.
Yeah. It is getting ridiculous. There was a guy who could barely stand up in our section one row down from us against EKU and he was throwing up on other fans. Should have gotten his butt kicked.
The intent of my post was to poke a little fun at him for his dislike and seeming lack of value placed on anyone older than he,.If we accept your stated age of beginning football fandom then he has seen the end of the Curry era,the Mumme 2 hand touch era,the thanks for the cup of coffee Morriss era,the brief flirtation with mediocrity of the Brooks era and the dumpster fires of Joker and Stoops(thus far)Granted that may or may not be the extent of his exposure to football as a whole,but if he is basing his UK fandom on what he has seen in his life time then that is what he has to go on(given his statements on previous generations I'm guessing he is not a history buff),he does have the makings of a real grumpy old geezer one of these days.
Willie...I've always thought that perhaps our Greatest Generation were the parents of the Greatest Generation that fought WWII (my dad was with Patton). It's that earlier generation that taught the values to my dad's generation that went to war in Europe and Japan. Unfortunately it was the WWII generation that then brought up the baby boomer generation that started all the crap going on now. Not disparaging the WWII generation at all. And you're right...nice people with old fashioned manners and values.
Gotcha. I missed that. I will say this though, I am only 33, and have been a UK fan in ALL sports my entire life, but grew up in Alabama. I have seen my share of great football and long for the days that we can have a relevant football team. I know I will get bashed for saying this, but when I talk to Alabama fans and Auburn fans, they are baffled that people are calling for Stoops' head. There response is, that we aren't like Alabama where we can rebuild so quickly due to the talent we bring in. I don't like most Alabama fans, but my two best friends are one. I talk to them regularly and when I tell them about what is being said on these boards, they can't believe it. The first thing they point to is recruiting. Even they realize that if you don't have players then you aren't going to be very successful in this league and even sometimes when you do, you lose some because they league is so hard.
While our standards are not Championships you still have to win 6 games, and go to a Bowl at Kentucky, or your job is going to be on the line.
I said exactly the truth.... I suppose you're the three guys that they are writing about... Are you the three oldies that are giving up your season tickets? Let me tell you one thing, this is for the best of the program... Let me know where they're located at and I might take them off your hands... Get some of you old guys out of those seats, and replace you with young blood fans that are there to watch football...... You old people can meet together and go on a elderly picnic....
I bet everyone of you guys that griped about this response, gets mad when people stand up and cheers in front of you... We don't need that... We need fans that are not old scrooges... Gripe, gripe, gripe, that's all you old gents do....Now you have to gripe on the computer, because you're given up your tickets.. It's for the best old soul....
Just three wus fans that don't have a life..... "Oh, don't pay attention to Gary, he likes that old Mitch" Just pathetic.... If you old guys want to watch football, just wrap up in your electric blanket, put your foot warmers on, place your dentures back in your mouth and eat your pudding in front of the TV....
You 3 guys have come to late to the party.... Sale them old stale season tickets and quit griping ......
This is a new brand of game at Kentucky, we don't need your griping... Let the young fans take over for the future...
Too many people wanting better seats, we don't need to hear this... We have a new stadium now and we need to remove a few fans that gripe and spew gloom.... You guys are just old and miserable....
May be old but hardly miserable.
Have seen good football played at UK against the likes of Penn State, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, etc. -- not the Popcorn States that dominate the out of conference schedule nowadays, so Mitch can claim a couple of victories each year that have us "headed in the right direction".
BTW is the photo you posted a self-portrait. :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses: Reminds me of some of the idiots I used to see at the stadium who think unless they are standing they can't be a true fan.
I "get" the article but the disappointment expressed by those interviewees was the fact they lost their seats in a major venue remodeling project; not so much about the state and direction of the UK football program. These type of complaints are expected after seating relocations and will pass. Give them their old seats at the same price and it would likely be "business as usual" as far as their satisfaction with UK and UK football.
However, strictly from a "fan interest in the program" standpoint, Clay would have done much better to report on (and carefully track in the future) the actual season ticket sales of both fan tickets and student tickets tallied as separate counts (UK typically includes student season tickets in total season ticket numbers). FWIW, I have not seen any "final" numbers on this year's season ticket sales. In the past it has taken a specific FOIA request to get such numbers.
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However, strictly from a "fan interest in the program" standpoint, Clay would have done much better to report on (and carefully track in the future) the actual season ticket sales of both fan tickets and student tickets tallied as separate counts (UK typically includes student season tickets in total season ticket numbers). FWIW, I have not seen any "final" numbers on this year's season ticket sales. In the past it has taken a specific FOIA request to get such numbers.
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I get what they are saying,I think Stoops biggest mistake was giving UK fans too much hope in year two.He didn't follow up this year even though the schedule was more favorable.I think now people (me included) begin to wonder if he can follow up and take the next step.Replacing him now is not the right move but if we are in the same place a year from now then it is another matter.
I have stated this before, and I understand where you are coming from, but I could argue that even though we didn't improve in the win column, that not losing more than last year was was a positive.
When you consider that we lost 2 NFL guys on defense and it didn't fall off that much, and was actually pretty good at times and considering the issues with the offense, that that showed improvement in itself. In years past, those losses would have killed us. Then, take into consideration that Hatcher was hurt/injured a good portion of the year, Lewis being lost for over half the season, Flannigan being hurt to start, and Reggie Meant missing significant time, then then it looks even better that we didn't digress defensively from last year, and could argue that that shows improvement in developing other guys.
When you look at the offensive side of the ball, consider the fact that we lost a really good OLineman, and a tackle where we have struggled at that in Miller, lost Hurd as a top RB, Demarco Robinson, Javiss Blue, and then throw in a new OC, surely one could see where they might struggle to find their way a little, and would take a step back. The offensive side of the ball lost a TON of experience and leaders along with their OC and was replaced by all young guys. We had Towles, Toth, and Swindle that are older than a sophomore that were starting and the only other ones in the 2 deep were JoJo, Timmons, and Horton. Now, I didn't foresee taking that big of a step back, but I think this is where Towles failed the most. He needed to be that unquestioned leader, but never asserted himself as that IMO. Of course, that is the outside looking in perspective, but I just didn't see it.
Fair(actually good)points all.If we had gotten over that one more win hump these conversations wouldn't be taking place.The margin for error was pretty thin,maybe more than we thought. I fear more than a few things have to change for next year to be that little bit better that Stoops desperately needs at this point.
Yeah I agree. There are some coaching and player mistakes that need to be cleaned up for sure, but our margin for error was so thin that every little thing was under a microscope.
Never understood the stupid concept of turning on each other at the very first opportunity......
Everyone who has any type of dissenting opinion is branded a bad fan or a fan of some (any) other team....just for disagreeing with whomever the insecure person is that NEEDS to label others as inferior/evil/whatever.
It's pretty stupid. We're supposed to be adults here.
Lower attendance because we not winning!! When we have real hope we had 72000 plus in stands. UK athletics board to blame with decades of non support for football. Barney has continued that line of thought with his emphasis on Olympic sports and non revenue "minor" sports. Basketball cannot carry the load. Dark dark days ahead for all UK athletics. No way to foot the bill now. Should have put ten million plus into staff and get us over the hump. Seems we lost bidding wars for several assistants. Barney has no clue. I hope for 30,000 season tix next year.
SMH @Gary...just please tell me you didn't get a degree from UK so I will feel better about the quality of graduates we are turning out these days
I'm not sure how this got to an issue of old vs young. Two of the guys in the article are 70. Big deal. That's like 60 now compared to 25 years ago. Exactly half the people interviewed (4) are in that category. The other two are 61 (still in-the-workforce age) and 47. And we are calling these guys "old guys?" Unbelievable. I guess they are old to a 13-year old kid....and maybe that's why this thread has degenerated into a pointless debate: too many kids surfing the net instead of doing their homework.
This article is just telling you that people who have had tickets to CWS for A LONG TIME are letting them go. That means they are NOT passing them down to the next generation. It means that demand for this product is DECLINING and the CORE of the fanbase--the longtime fan and his family and friends--that has supported KENTUCKY football has had enough and is crying "Uncle." And they are doing it at ages when they presumably are at the peak of their wealth, or (like the 47 year-old guy are just getting into it) but clearly all want something better to cheer for.
The issues with parking and tailgating spots and friends sitting closeby are gripes and they are "tipping" fans toward giving up their seats. The fact that there is now reasonably good NFL football just up the road in the Nati is "tipping" fans toward giving up their UK seats. The fact that you can have a very enjoyable experience at home watching is "tipping" fans toward quitting; but read the article again, it's the product on the field that is creating the atmosphere that is toxic and influencing greatly the decision to not pass the tickets down to the next generation, not renew for another season, not buy into the miserable and shameful tradition of Kentucky football.
I'm not sure how this got to an issue of old vs young. Two of the guys in the article are 70. Big deal. That's like 60 now compared to 25 years ago. Exactly half the people interviewed (4) are in that category. The other two are 61 (still in-the-workforce age) and 47. And we are calling these guys "old guys?" Unbelievable. I guess they are old to a 13-year old kid....and maybe that's why this thread has degenerated into a pointless debate: too many kids surfing the net instead of doing their homework.
This article is just telling you that people who have had tickets to CWS for A LONG TIME are letting them go. That means they are NOT passing them down to the next generation. It means that demand for this product is DECLINING and the CORE of the fanbase--the longtime fan and his family and friends--that has supported KENTUCKY football has had enough and is crying "Uncle." And they are doing it at ages when they presumably are at the peak of their wealth, or (like the 47 year-old guy are just getting into it) but clearly all want something better to cheer for.
The issues with parking and tailgating spots and friends sitting closeby are gripes and they are "tipping" fans toward giving up their seats. The fact that there is now reasonably good NFL football just up the road in the Nati is "tipping" fans toward giving up their UK seats. The fact that you can have a very enjoyable experience at home watching is "tipping" fans toward quitting; but read the article again, it's the product on the field that is creating the atmosphere that is toxic and influencing greatly the decision to not pass the tickets down to the next generation, not renew for another season, not buy into the miserable and shameful tradition of Kentucky football.
People spinning this as old vs young is consistent with clowns who presume that everyone who doesn't think or believe like them must be a believer in some political ideology that is "ruining the country". Spare us the stereotypical BS and accept reality.
UK football sucks. We might not like it, but it's the truth. Not only does it suck now, but it has sucked for far too long and for far too often. It's a miracle that UK fans have hung in there for football as long as they have. All you have to do is look around at other comparable programs and check out their attendance figures through the years.
The problem now is that we have 2 consecutive terrible coaching staffs. I don't care if I'm supposed to give Stoops more time, but I'm confident enough to make that statement. After year 3 of the Stoops era, there is literally NOTHING that his teams do well. ZERO! Therefore, we have no foundation or basis for belief that things are going to turn around soon.
This isn't a charity. UK is asking people to fork over their own money in order to be "entertained" by this product. It is the opposite of entertaining. It's depressing. Sadly, there is little to no evidence that supports the notion that UK fan's continued investment in UK football has actually helped matters.
UK football sucks. We might not like it, but it's the truth. Not only does it suck now, but it has sucked for far too long and for far too often. It's a miracle that UK fans have hung in there for football as long as they have. All you have to do is look around at other comparable programs and check out their attendance figures through the years.
The problem now is that we have 2 consecutive terrible coaching staffs. I don't care if I'm supposed to give Stoops more time, but I'm confident enough to make that statement. After year 3 of the Stoops era, there is literally NOTHING that his teams do well. ZERO! Therefore, we have no foundation or basis for belief that things are going to turn around soon.
This isn't a charity. UK is asking people to fork over their own money in order to be "entertained" by this product. It is the opposite of entertaining. It's depressing. Sadly, there is little to no evidence that supports the notion that UK fan's continued investment in UK football has actually helped matters.