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As I said at beginning of year, 9-4 with Alamo win is fine

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And it is still in our reach. Any trip to San Antonio is a fun one and a successful season. Let's not get bummed out just yet. If Dana pulls this off, no way he gets fired.

On the other hand, one more loss against the very mediocre teams left on our schedule and Dana deserves to go.

My question is for the 7-5 crowd with no banner victories. Do you think we need to stick with Dana another year knowing that we're graduating 10 starters off of this year's team and the defense won't be nearly as good? I don't see any way a Dana coached team wins 8 games next year.
 
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WVUDisciples said:
And it is still in our reach. Any trip to San Antonio is a fun one and a successful season. Let's not get bummed out just yet. If Dana pulls this off, no way he gets fired.

On the other hand, one more loss against the very mediocre teams left on our schedule and Dana deserves to go.

My question is for the 7-5 crowd with no banner victories. Do you think we need to stick with Dana another year knowing that we're graduating 10 starters off of this year's team and the defense won't be nearly as good? I don't see any way a Dana coached team wins 8 games next year.
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If 9-4 plus an Alamo Bowl win were Holgorsen's average performance, I'd be the happiest guy on this board and talking extension.

That said, it would take a monumental fade by one of the top 4 teams in the conference for us to get Alamo this year. As the second bowl in the Big 12's pecking order, I don't see them passing on one of the big guns unless somebody unexpectedly loses 3 of the last 4 or something like that from here and we also win out.

As for your question about 7-5 with no banner victories, I think so. Even as somebody who has wanted Holgorsen gone for awhile, to me that performance would be enough to retain him for 2016. An underrated part of being good that is overlooked by most all fans and analysts is taking care of business against the bad opponents.

A valid criticism of the Holgorsen era so far is that we hadn't done that very well. Each previous season had seen a top 15 upset, but also at least one equally head-scratching loss...often to a team with a losing record. Since many of us were justifiably asking for him to get better against the mediocre portion of the schedules moving forward, I don't feel you could fairly dismiss the guy for having finally done so simply because he didn't also pull off a ranked upset as well.

Even if you do think next year's outlook is grim (and I might even agree on that), I still believe meeting an important tangible goal we wanted DH to achieve in 2015 would be enough to earn him the opportunity to prove us wrong about 2016.
 
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I'm starting to get the feeling Dana is gone no matter what.

I would say 8-9 wins SHOULD allow him to keep his job but I think to many big time donors are ready to make a change.

Unfortunately I think Dana is coaching for his job every game here out and any mistakes will ultimately lead to his demise.

Hard to fire a coach who goes 9-4 and wins a big bowl with a top 25 finish but it won't shock me if he is still ran out of town.
 
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Word on the street is that Dana say...................he ain't going no where. The money is good at WV and he wants to hang around a few more years. I support that emotion.
 
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Good stuff here, Disciples.

Yes absolutely 100 percent with no ifs, ands, buts or bitching about it, if WVU finishes 9-4 with an Alamo bowl victory over a high quality, most likely top 25 Pac-12 opponent such as Utah or USC, Dana will have turned in a terrific 2015 and earned his way to another season. I would be very, very pleasantly surprised if this becomes reality, but have no realistic expectation for it.

In the unlikely event WV falls to Kansas or Iowa State - both happened in 2013 to be factual - then that's curtains. The backlash from losing to Kansas or Iowa State would be insurmountable and unforgivable. Those are must wins if there ever was a must-win.

The 7-win plateau again to me would not be enough. That'd be 7 or fewer wins four straight years. Basically stuck in 3rd gear.

I'd suspect 8-4 will allow for another season. Even with no wins of any true quality or top 25 significance. The tricky part is what to do with an extension. Two seasons left on the contract. & I agree, I do not see an 8-win season next year either especially with playing Missouri and BYU before starting BXII play. & the defense loses 7 starters.
 
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pressvirginia said:
Good stuff here, Disciples.

Yes absolutely 100 percent with no ifs, ands, buts or bitching about it, if WVU finishes 9-4 with an Alamo bowl victory over a high quality, most likely top 25 Pac-12 opponent such as Utah or USC, Dana will have turned in a terrific 2015 and earned his way to another season. I would be very, very pleasantly surprised if this becomes reality, but have no realistic expectation for it.

In the unlikely event WV falls to Kansas or Iowa State - both happened in 2013 to be factual - then that's curtains. The backlash from losing to Kansas or Iowa State would be insurmountable and unforgivable. Those are must wins if there ever was a must-win.

The 7-win plateau again to me would not be enough. That'd be 7 or fewer wins four straight years. Basically stuck in 3rd gear.

I'd suspect 8-4 will allow for another season. Even with no wins of any true quality or top 25 significance. The tricky part is what to do with an extension. Two seasons left on the contract. & I agree, I do not see an 8-win season next year either especially with playing Missouri and BYU before starting BXII play. & the defense loses 7 starters.
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Everyone knew that Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU were a formidable October to go through. But no one will be understanding if WVU loses to Texas, Kansas, Iowa State or Kansas State. They are the bottom of the barrel, along with my alma mater.

It's put up or shut up time for Dana and WVU.


M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0

O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17

U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense

N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24

T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.

A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.

I ncinerated by TCU, 40-10. Way too many mistakes, penalties, dropped passes.

N ifty rushing, defense take down Texas Tech, 31-26

E lude Texas

E rectile dysfunction Kansas

R oll past Iowa State

S lip past Kansas State
 
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I think any decision needs to be made prior to the bowl game. If he's being retained, we need to let everyone, especially recruits, know right away. If he is not going to be retained there is no good reason to wait a month for the outcome of a relatively meaningless game. We would have a better shot at getting our top choice if we acted promptly rather than letting things hang in limbo for a month and risking letting someone else make a hire.

I agree that 8-4 and he should be retained regardless of the bowl game. 6-6 he should be canned. 7-5 depends, in my mind.

Say we lose a close, well played game Saturday then finish 3-0 including two blowouts and an impressive win over KSU on the road. I'd view that differently than if we win a poorly played game Saturday, squeak by ISU and Kansas and then lose to KSU with a weak showing. Both are 7-5 but all 7-5s are not created equally.
 
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So, you with an opinion about everything (most of them idiotic), don't think anyone else should express an opinion?

If you have anything to express on the subject other than the erotic feelings you have for Holgorsen, go right ahead.
 
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So, you with an opinion about everything (most of them idiotic), don't think anyone else should express an opinion?

If you have anything to express on the subject other than the erotic feelings you have for Holgorsen, go right ahead.
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For some reason I always get the impression that Low IQ Drifter is still in middle school and just got a computer for his birthday. Even his smack reeks of immaturity. Erotic feelings? LOL.
 
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The administration will evaluate the entire season. So far the team is .500 with a good win against Texas Tech and four winnable games upcoming- a difficult one against Texas next.

If they can find a way to win that one then the rest of the season could be very good for the Mountaineers.
 
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wbgvwbgv said:
For some reason I always get the impression that Low IQ Drifter is still in middle school and just got a computer for his birthday. Even his smack reeks of immaturity. Erotic feelings? LOL.
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oh, he's definitely infantile, mentally...... but I bet he's an adult......


what's funny is I never said he or anyone couldn't present their opinions............. but I lol at stupid ones.


he still sees me as a "Dana Lover" even though I've not once posted a supportive-argument towards the coach or his abilities............. I'm very anti-carousel. Coaching changes won't bring stability to our program, which is the one thing it needs. Dana Holgorsen is OUR coach, and for the benefit of our program, he and everyone on staff need to remain at WVU....


I'm just glad those who matter see it my way.
 
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You are another one with a disturbing crush on Dana. Originally, I thought his fanboys were just ill-informed about his record and actually didn't get how unimpressive it is. But, after all the fallacies in the "factual" defense you few offer were exposed, and you persist in fawning over him I concluded there has to be something deeper involved.
 
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WVUDisciples said:
And it is still in our reach. Any trip to San Antonio is a fun one and a successful season. Let's not get bummed out just yet. If Dana pulls this off, no way he gets fired.
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Am not sure if the Alamo is realistic even if West Virginia wins out. At 5-4, West Virginia likely would be the No. 5 team in the conference standings after Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Christian sort things out.

The Alamo is the first bowl in the Big 12 pecking order after the CFP slots are full. Even if the Big 12 gets three CFP bowls -- a semifinal slot, the Sugar Bowl, and an at-large spot in another marquee bowl -- the No. 4 team probably won't be the Mountaineers.

Realistically, the best we can probably hope for is a trip to Orlando for the Russell. Frankly, I'd take that in a heartbeat at this point.
 
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he still sees me as a "Dana Lover" even though I've not once posted a supportive-argument towards the coach or his abilities............. I'm very anti-carousel. Coaching changes won't bring stability to our program, which is the one thing it needs. Dana Holgorsen is OUR coach, and for the benefit of our program, he and everyone on staff need to remain at WVU.
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KC, the above statement may be the best thing I've seen you post. But I can recall your use of "offensive genius" in the early days more than once in describing Holgs. That sound like support rather than an indictment to me.

Suggestion: lay off the personal attacks and I think you will get more mileage as you do bring some value to the table as in the above quote.
 
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WVex-pat in GA said:
KC, the above statement may be the best thing I've seen you post. But I can recall your use of "offensive genius" in the early days more than once in describing Holgs. That sound like support rather than an indictment to me.

Suggestion: lay off the personal attacks and I think you will get more mileage as you do bring some value to the table as in the above quote.
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I didn't start posting on this website until 2014.............. soooooo

but just to build on that:

2011 - top 20 offense in CFB
2012 - top 15 offense in CFB
2014 - top 20 offense in CFB
 
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How is a switch after 5 years a coaching carousel?


http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coaching_changes_2011.html

How many of those teams still have the same coach?

Even looking at 2012 there has been a lot of turnover.


http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coaching_changes_2012.html

It's likely a few more of those coaching positions will experience change at the end of this season.

How many coaches at Power 5 schools who have struggled to the same extent Holgorsen has struggled, especially when compared to what the program was doing prior to the hire, are getting more than 5 years?


http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coaching_changes_2010.html

That's the hires for 2010 who would have completed 5 years at the end of last season.


It seems abundantly clear that WVU has been more patient than almost all schools.
 
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9-4 is doable and it would a great way to end up. I would b thrilled.

I'm sorry, however, because I see at least 1, maybe 2, more game(s) sliding away because of an ineffective passing attack.
 
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