i can understand being a deist. I don't understand atheism. Life and the universe are simply too complex, and has too much design and creativity to believe otherwise.
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So the existence of a god (doesn't matter which god in this case) is the only reason you wake up and do anything with your life? Sounds pretty depressing to me. I wake up and don't need some make believe being to motivate me throughout the day.
I prefer synthetics because they are more breathable, but my wool socks come in pretty clutch when I have to work a game in the dead of winter.
Don't put words in my mouth. That's not what I was saying, and you know it.
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There isn't any.
What is your cold, hard scientific proof that a god, or an intelligent designer, does not exist.
There isn't any.
It cannot be proven either way. It has to be based on faith and what the preponderance of evidence for each side sways an individual to believe. An yes, if you consider all scientific evidence, it still requires a level of faith to be an atheist.
Even if someone doesn't believe in the Biblical creation there is enough scientific evidence to at least consider intelligent design is a reasonable possibility.
This is why I say an individual should objectively weigh the evidence, all of it, then decide what they want to believe.
In my opinion a Christian, Muslim, etc. should not believe that way just because that is how they were reared. Also, a person should not be an atheist just because "bad things happen" in their lives and the world or because a small portion of Darwin's theories have been proven. Those argumens are just as weak as the"because the Bible says so" arguments.
Based on extensive personal research, I believe in intelligent design which puts me somewhere in the middle of atheists and creationists I suppose.
Not sure I agree with that. A look around at creation and some thoughtful wondering comes pretty darn close. That first step of faith for me, followed by 35 years of experiences of being a Christ follower seals the deal.
IMHO.
The Red Sea has been some what proven. I don't remember the history channel show but, it gave a scientific reason for it happening. Something about the time period and tides but I am not sure, that was a few years back.
Man proving the existence of God is not possible in my opinion. Only God can prove himself and only when where he deems he needs to.
For those who say they don't believe in Godly miracles (something that's required to believe the Gospel), need only think about the whole conception/child birth miracle.
A system that could not have just happened on it's own.
IMHO.
A system that could not have just happened on it's own.
IMHO.
The one true omnipotent heavenly deity, The Greek god of fabric footwear, Hytopathese.
Be afraid all ye heretics and sock-less heathens for his judgement cometh, and that right soon!
Be afraid all ye heretics and sock-less heathens for his judgement cometh, and that right soon!
So you are an atheist? I believe atheism was created by man to comfort themselves from facing the judgment of God for their sinful lifestyles so that they could live however they want without an authority figure telling them how to live and holding them accountable.
See, this game can work both ways...question is, if there is no God then why do you trust your ability to reason? You have no grounds to do so...
Atheists believe in miracles...they believe in the virgin birth of the cosmos and Christians believe in the virgin birth of Christ. Choose your miracle.
Shouldn't on my account, I'm happy when people think at all no matter what conclusions they have and happier still we can talk like civilized human beings. We live in a world where people aren't thinking and can't really engage in meaningful discourse.
Burden of proof is definitely on those making extraordinary claims, but this isn't readily proven; like you can't really prove that love exists or any emotion for that matter yet we all know they are real. One can really only observe their effects. Which I think is what Thomas Aquinas proofs of God's existence revolve around, which as far as I am aware the most thorough philosophical proof that there is.
My experiences have bolstered my faith, no doubt.
We can’t use our personal experiences as objective proof that God exists to someone that is agnostic/atheist though.
I trust my ability to reason because I'm a sentient creature with the ability to reason; no god need figure into it, IMHO.
You believe your way, I'll believe my way.
One time I thought of inventing some versatile socks that could be worn from the office to the gym. And a "jump to conclusions mat." And then I found out that the "jump to conclusions mat" had already been invented so I just kinda gave up on life and became hopeless for 4-5 years.
Look, it's pretty basic here. You stick with me, you learn from the guys who been in country awhile, you'll be right. There is one item of G.I. gear that can be the difference between a live grunt and a dead grunt. Socks, cushion, sole, O.D. green. Try and keep your feet dry when we're out humpin'. I want you boys to remember to change your socks wherever we stop. The Mekong will eat a grunt's feet right off his legs. Sergeant Sims! Goddamnit, where is that sling-rope I told you to order?
-Lieutenant Dan
Curious, how do you decide which parts/ stories/ rules etc of the Bible to adhere to and which not to adhere to?
I genuinely flounder between Christian and agnostic on a weekly basis lol
You do realize that tons and tons of people find religion later in life, right?
Secular government? WTF are you talking about?
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...
Hey! I’m trying to up my sock game, and the religious debate is screwing it up. There’s good info in here.
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Is nature's god Yahweh, Zuess, Thor or Allah?
Establishment clause also makes it pretty clear we don't have an officially sanctioned government religion, therefore our government is secular in nature. There's a reason it's unconstitutional to plaster the 10 commandments all over the county courthouse or lead school children in mandatory prayer. The Krish-shin Nay-shun stuff is a myth and didn't really get ratcheted up to its current levels until the 1950s during the Red Scare.
As for the later in life part, yes people do "find" religion later in life. It's usually sick people afraid to die, criminals who've done awful things or addicts who go to faith-based rehab and replace crack rocks with scripture. But, a majority of believers learn it from a very young age. (I was one of them). We should start a Paddock poll and see if most people became believers as children through force or as adults by choice.
As I said earlier, if religion makes you or others happy or fulfilled or anything else positive, good for you. Go with it. Embrace it. Just don't try to play gotcha with me because I find it to be a bunch of BS.
damn it man, I got a bet this thing goes 11 pages, you can't just up and walk away yet.
I am very pro socks. but I get my socks like a real man, a married one. birthdays and christmas, like clockwork. and I am very appreciative. none of that fancy b.s. sock ware. just plain socks, usually from wal-mart I think, but I don't ask.
for the record, I am pro crack cocaine too.
So I went down another Youtube rabbit hole...
This evangelist makes a better argument for the claim being made in this thread. (imho)
I don't know anything about this guy (or evangelists in general), but I think it makes that point better than CS Lewis does, no offense to him.
Incidentally, a ran across on fb this Tesla quote (whose jockstrap no scientist today could hold) which illustrates the point I was trying to make.
Instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.
Source:'My Inventions' in Electrical Experimenter magazine (1919)
This evangelist makes a better argument for the claim being made in this thread. (imho)
I don't know anything about this guy (or evangelists in general), but I think it makes that point better than CS Lewis does, no offense to him.
Incidentally, a ran across on fb this Tesla quote (whose jockstrap no scientist today could hold) which illustrates the point I was trying to make.
Instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.
Source:'My Inventions' in Electrical Experimenter magazine (1919)
Christianity makes a unique claim; Jews and Muslims dispute the validity of that claim but are otherwise in agreement by and large.
Eastern religions are of totally different source and fundamentally totally different as are ancient european mythologies.
That's fine. In this country, People are allowed to believe there is no God or root for duke/UL basketball (which is pretty much one in the same). You misunderstood what the establishment clause meant, but nonetheless. You have that right in this country.
I figure if God can raise the the dead, it's no thing to inspire men to pen scripture.
Interesting point. Equally interesting is the motivation behind their disputes. Jesus was not what the Jews had in mind for a Messiah. Muslims don't like the fact the Jesus came from Jewish lineage and incorrectly feel left out of God's plan, so they created their own.
Sara should have never let Abraham hook up with Hagar. The Jewish leaders couldn't see the forest for the trees. Not all Jews or Arabs rejected Jesus however.
To all Christians I ask this:
1. The "Great War in Heaven"...what's to prevent another one from occurring next year, in a million years hence? I thought heaven was perfect; if so how did evil begin there?
2. The rock slab that was in front of Jesus' tomb; said to be immovable by mere man. Your bible says an angel moved it upon his "resurrection". So....if it was that massive, THAT heavy than no men could move it...how did it get there in the first place?
3. All the millions, perhaps billions of humans who lived prior to Jesus' time, are they just out of luck since, ya know, they weren't around to hear his gospel?
4. Do you REALLY believe Adam & Eve were the first humans? (I see where one of you don't believe that, btw).
5. How do you explain away the three ancient "virgin birth" tales told prior to Jesus' birth?
That's enough for now. Thanks to anyone who can give any answer, clue, opinion, etc on these questions.
1. The "Great War in Heaven"...what's to prevent another one from occurring next year, in a million years hence? I thought heaven was perfect; if so how did evil begin there?
2. The rock slab that was in front of Jesus' tomb; said to be immovable by mere man. Your bible says an angel moved it upon his "resurrection". So....if it was that massive, THAT heavy than no men could move it...how did it get there in the first place?
3. All the millions, perhaps billions of humans who lived prior to Jesus' time, are they just out of luck since, ya know, they weren't around to hear his gospel?
4. Do you REALLY believe Adam & Eve were the first humans? (I see where one of you don't believe that, btw).
5. How do you explain away the three ancient "virgin birth" tales told prior to Jesus' birth?
That's enough for now. Thanks to anyone who can give any answer, clue, opinion, etc on these questions.
God created all things including angels and gave them the will to think on their own. Some made bad decisions and decided to follow Satan.
Heaven is a perfect place now, the imperfect have been removed.
Mere man can't move it, it takes more than one or two. The Bible says they rolled or moved it into position. Man not removing it could simply be because there were guards who would not allow man to move it.
I was the one who said that Adam and Eve were not the first. It is in the Bible that on the sixth day he created man and on the seventh rested. Adam and Eve did not come until after.
What other virgin births are you speaking of? Egyptian? or other beliefs?
Also, take into consideration that just reading the Bible from the King James wording and taking it all literally can confuse. This is why there are biblical scholars who go more in depth looking at the translations and actual meanings of words as they pertained to the time.
Edit for clarification of meaning: This is what I happen to believe and not the beliefs of a person who is a Biblical Scholar in any way shape or form.
If I could actually find a nice washing machine that could come close to the 20 year old Whirlpool I gave away for this POS GE model. :grimace:
Check the sports news of today and tell me God doesn't exist.
Epistemologically speaking, the fundamental problem breaks down like this:
- Is God willing to inspire the creation of functional, stylish footwear, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent.
- Is He able, but not willing? Then He doesn't really care about our feet.
- Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh terrible socks?
That's what she said.Dammit @funKYcat75, you're too fast!
Wait, I'm not using that right.
That's what she said
Of course, the Declaration of Independence did not establish the government of the United States of America. I'm sure you knew that though.
There is a difference in believing in God (atheism OP) and believing in Christ.. Jews do that.
My best answers, but don't claim to know all the answers.
1) I'm guessing there's another war coming.
2) Good question. I'm guessing multiples moved and could have moved it back. I believe a single angel moved it away.
3) Abraham believed God and it was counted until him as righteousness. people were looking forward to Christ, people then saw Christ, people now looking back. It's all about Christ.
4) Yes,
5) I don't have to. The better question is where is Jesus body now?
Peace.