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DHajekRC84

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I just wish he had tried to drive more and get to the line. We've all seen how often that gets the shot going. I don't think he likes the physical contact. But he's not exactly built that way. ok.
We also didn't get anything from MM,Kiss, and Thiam either. Amazing how much better other teams seem to shoot the 3's at our court.

OK, show up and beat Indy. I'll take that as trade.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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I am not hyper-critical of Mulcahy, he immediately becomes one of the Top 8 in the rotation with Young.

But if I posted the YouTube highlights of a key turnover down 2 points vs Roselle Catholic last night, it would be in poor taste and not my style. I had plenty of people that haven't seen Mulcahy go to Franklin to see the game and none of them have seen either Roselle Catholic play or Gill St Bernards.

When I connect with them in the next couple of days, I'm going to ask them for their unbiased or unaware opinions of the players and game, including Mulcahy. It is always important to get a neutral viewpoint of someone vs thinking you are seeing something that is or isn't there.

Mulcahy will be coached up because in the games I've seen, he turns the ball over way too much....and he turns it over too much trying to get closer or to the basket, vs taking what the defense presents, with a mid range jumper or perimeter jumper.

Montez Mathis has the same traits right now, except he's uber athletic and I've cringed on probably all of his drives...some went in, because he outjumped the defense or just was strong enough to score when fouled.....and in most of those situations, Mathis was hacked, and didn't get a foul called....it's almost as if he's driving into contact to draw fouls, which is fine. More mid range shots and better FT shooting takes Mathis 8 to 10PPG to 14 to 15PPG.

Mulcahy as the player we expect, will need to take some time.

I think the fans will be much more comfortable and excited about what Jacob Young brings to the table next year. Mulcahy will be much more of a McConnell like path of easing him into the season while Young will contribute immediately at a higher level.
 
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satnom

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I think the PSU defender did an outstanding job on Geo. Totally shut him down and to be honest I think Geo was hesitant of getting his pocket picked going to the hoop against that guy. That’s how good he was. On nights where Geo is playing against the other team’s best defender I think he needs to play off the ball and cut to the basket for some back door shot makes. That being said, PM needs to adjust to this level of play before being annointed anything. If he shows he can penetrate and shoot Watch out. Penetrating the lane to show he can consistently hit the 10-12 footer to draw a second defender and PM will have a field day passing it to an open team mate. If he has trouble drawing a defender or two his passing ability will he diminished.

Look forward to seeing how it all plays out.

GO RU
 

Greene Rice FIG

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There is a reason Paul Mulcahy landed at Rutgers. There is a reason why his stock dropped prior to coming to Rutgers.

That doesn’t mean he won’t prove many people wrong and show them he is a major conference point guard. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved over the past 8 months and will continue improving the next 4 years.

It is just healthy to place conservative expectations on what he will do Year 1.
 

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When I was a swimmer the coach said to all, "hands above the covers tonight".
We laughed. But I think Geo had a threesome the night before. Any of you athletes agree that sex the night before drains you a little? How about if he got laid in the afternoon? Serious.
 

RUforJERSEY

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Bad games happen. Missed shots happen. 0-10 is different. If you're the leader of a team you find a way to get some buckets. He only had 2 assists too so he wasn't creating much for others either.
Exactly. And committed some bad turnovers as well.
 

RUforJERSEY

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He went scoreless because he missed 10 shots. The excuse is he missed the shots. The team not diving on the floor after a loose ball is inexcusable. Missing jump shots is always excusable. Statisticly it happens.
He missed more than just jumpshots. He missed everything. Even on his few drives towards the basket in half court or in transition.
 

DHajekRC84

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He missed more than just jumpshots. He missed everything. Even on his few drives towards the basket in half court or in transition.

I just heard Shon Morris kinda call him out a bit. Last night with that 20sec. Coming up court ....Calling the game He said "don't forget you have the bonus...you don't need the 3"

And just now on BTN live during the old school v. New school segment on mid range v. 3pt. Shot he said..."mid range is a foul shot. Late game with the foul bonus you don't need the step back 3".

But...we had our chances regardless.
 

MadRU

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Iowa’s big, Cook had zero points last night against Wisconsin, bad games happen.
 

Plum Street

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When I was a swimmer the coach said to all, "hands above the covers tonight".
We laughed. But I think Geo had a threesome the night before. Any of you athletes agree that sex the night before drains you a little? How about if he got laid in the afternoon? Serious.

This post has potential.
 

MadRU

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When I was a swimmer the coach said to all, "hands above the covers tonight".
We laughed. But I think Geo had a threesome the night before. Any of you athletes agree that sex the night before drains you a little? How about if he got laid in the afternoon? Serious.

Guys, it’s important for us to hustle at both ends of the court. We gotta make the offense work. We gotta play that big tough D, we gotta contain their big men inside. We gotta crash the boards on offense. We can’t give them the baseline at any price. But more important than the score of this game is to score at the big social at our place tonight. So, I want you guys to go out there and protect your balls at any cost. Bruce Lee, patron of self defense, pray for us!
 

Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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RU fans (Chow) are fine when they want their declaration made regarding a player to try and look like the SportsRadio host or ESPN.

I will ask this quesrion....the starting backcourt contributed 2 total points and the supposedly ineffective Baker didn't score BUT the entire team almost overcame Baker and Mathis contributing just 2 points.

The opponents goal is to stop Baker first....because he's RUs most effective player, catalyst and organizer. Last month, it was Caleb McConnell who was supposed to start over Geo after his big game and now Mulcahy is the next player on your list.

What's dangerous about these comments are not only are they inaccurate, but they place an unnecessary bullseye on a player who doesn't have the scoring ability or shooting ability displayed at the HS level, but he's going to shoot and score in highly leveraged situations in college??

Mulcahy isn't a strong defender on the ball and until he shows a hopeful ability to score, teams are going to make it much more difficult for others to score. Which is actually much worse for the RU team to have a guard (in your.words) that should be the starting PG.

Players are not going to arrive as the "best passer seen in years", if you have no one open to pass the ball to, because teams sag off on you, because you're not showing an ability to shoot or score. At Gill, his passing is highlighted because he has the ball and teams have to play him to score.

At this level of speed and coaching, opponents break down your tape and you are evaluating Baker as the focal point of the offense. And because of that, others are able to score and have space. The actual results are team oriented and the only way I can see Mulcahy thriving is by playing WITH Geo Baker, not in place of him. At least in that situation, Mulcahy will be the least guarded of the 5 starters or most likely to left open to score.

If that happens and Mulcahy takes advantage of being with Baker, Harper, Eugene, Mathis, Caleb on the court, he will help. But the notion that Mulcahy is going to be able to make passes to wide open players who won't be open, is at best questionable.

I am happy Mulcahy is coming, but he has 1 job arriving at RU....work on his jumper, 3 point shot and willingness to score. If he does that, RU becomes a better team. But he is nowhere near the complete player Baker is, until he scores and can prove he can shoot....otherwise his strength of passing becomes muted and he will make RU easier to stop, not harder.
1. Mulcahy will be a better PG than Geo after about a month.
2. McConnell is a better overall player than Geo:
Sees the floor better
Better passer
Better defender
Equal shooter
3. I would probably be pretty good on ESPN.
 

TODDB33

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RU fans (Chow) are fine when they want their declaration made regarding a player to try and look like the SportsRadio host or ESPN.

I will ask this quesrion....the starting backcourt contributed 2 total points and the supposedly ineffective Baker didn't score BUT the entire team almost overcame Baker and Mathis contributing just 2 points.

The opponents goal is to stop Baker first....because he's RUs most effective player, catalyst and organizer. Last month, it was Caleb McConnell who was supposed to start over Geo after his big game and now Mulcahy is the next player on your list.

What's dangerous about these comments are not only are they inaccurate, but they place an unnecessary bullseye on a player who doesn't have the scoring ability or shooting ability displayed at the HS level, but he's going to shoot and score in highly leveraged situations in college??

Mulcahy isn't a strong defender on the ball and until he shows a hopeful ability to score, teams are going to make it much more difficult for others to score. Which is actually much worse for the RU team to have a guard (in your.words) that should be the starting PG.

Players are not going to arrive as the "best passer seen in years", if you have no one open to pass the ball to, because teams sag off on you, because you're not showing an ability to shoot or score. At Gill, his passing is highlighted because he has the ball and teams have to play him to score.

At this level of speed and coaching, opponents break down your tape and you are evaluating Baker as the focal point of the offense. And because of that, others are able to score and have space. The actual results are team oriented and the only way I can see Mulcahy thriving is by playing WITH Geo Baker, not in place of him. At least in that situation, Mulcahy will be the least guarded of the 5 starters or most likely to left open to score.

If that happens and Mulcahy takes advantage of being with Baker, Harper, Eugene, Mathis, Caleb on the court, he will help. But the notion that Mulcahy is going to be able to make passes to wide open players who won't be open, is at best questionable.

I am happy Mulcahy is coming, but he has 1 job arriving at RU....work on his jumper, 3 point shot and willingness to score. If he does that, RU becomes a better team. But he is nowhere near the complete player Baker is, until he scores and can prove he can shoot....otherwise his strength of passing becomes muted and he will make RU easier to stop, not harder.
He is a point guard. His job is to get the ball to others in a position to where they can score You appear to be making a blanket statement that none of our players will ever be open for Mulcahy to make a pass to. Yes he will have to score a little but it seems he can do that pretty well in HS and he WILL BE PLAYING THE POINT WITH GEO AT THE 2.
 

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When I was a swimmer the coach said to all, "hands above the covers tonight".
We laughed. But I think Geo had a threesome the night before. Any of you athletes agree that sex the night before drains you a little? How about if he got laid in the afternoon? Serious.
Actually, my guess was that Geo played way too much Fortnite in the days following the Iowa win.
 

Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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Bad games happen. Missed shots happen. 0-10 is different. If you're the leader of a team you find a way to get some buckets. He only had 2 assists too so he wasn't creating much for others either.
He might have even been worse today. I like when kids get what they've earned. McConnel deserves to start in the tournament ahead of him. Add to my original assessment of Geo that he's soft because he is. Give Carter more minutes too. At least he's an athlete and aggressive around the basket, and can hit a foul shot. Doorson's a stiff. Other than leaning on someone defensively and an occasional dunk, the kid has no ability. Hard to believe five years in the program and that's as good as you are.

Joey Downes also deserved to play the last five minutes ahead of Geo
 

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He's not at that level - to be a focal point of a winning team. Teams are game planning against em. Him being ineffective (at the moment) is understandable - when you realize he's not some great player. I really hope Jacob young is a legit threat, and that we can add solid player via transfer
 
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AshCatchEm

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There is a reason Paul Mulcahy landed at Rutgers. There is a reason why his stock dropped prior to coming to Rutgers.

That doesn’t mean he won’t prove many people wrong and show them he is a major conference point guard. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved over the past 8 months and will continue improving the next 4 years.

It is just healthy to place conservative expectations on what he will do Year 1.
He is one of the best players in the state. He had plenty of options.
 
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Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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that is not how things work
Unfortunately not but the game was over, Geo was horrendous, the kid has worked hard all season, and he deserved to get in. The game was over. And I'll stick by what I said. Mulcahy is a better PG than Geo right now, and McConnell is better also. If Geo is still the PG two years from now we're still a bottom feeder.
 

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Unfortunately not but the game was over, Geo was horrendous, the kid has worked hard all season, and he deserved to get in. The game was over. And I'll stick by what I said. Mulcahy is a better PG than Geo right now, and McConnell is better also. If Geo is still the PG two years from now we're still a bottom feeder.


Geo isnt going to be the point guard...duh....Mulcahy will be, it will take some time, Geo will slide over at the 2 when Mulcahy is ready to full take over the job. All our guards will get plenty of time

the point about Caleb not starting over Geo right now is that you are putting a total different role and expectation on Caleb than what he might be capable of, it changes everything...for what? to start him in possibly the last game of the season in the B10 tourney..thats pretty odd.

Caleb is great at his role right now. Very very very effective in games. That does not mean he is ready to shoulder the role as starting point guard from tip
 

Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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I think he had 20 at Penn State on 7-15 shooting.

I think an issue was he was heavily pursued and hounded, he didnt deal with it well because it was almost as if he was caught off guard that PSU would be so aggressive. He didnt react quickly enough to how he was being guarded. Nobody on RU in the first half did. They totally came in overconfident
So Bac - was he caught off guard again?
 

Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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Geo isnt going to be the point guard...duh....Mulcahy will be, it will take some time, Geo will slide over at the 2 when Mulcahy is ready to full take over the job. All our guards will get plenty of time

the point about Caleb not starting over Geo right now is that you are putting a total different role and expectation on Caleb than what he might be capable of, it changes everything...for what? to start him in possibly the last game of the season in the B10 tourney..thats pretty odd.

Caleb is great at his role right now. Very very very effective in games. That does not mean he is ready to shoulder the role as starting point guard from tip
As I've said before, someone has to sit next year. Wouldn't be shocked at all if it's Geo and he becomes a 20 MPG contributor.
 

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So Bac - was he caught off guard again?


he had a bad game and is the focus of every coach's defense. Not sure what your point is with your continued bashing of Geo which goes beyond normal criticism and certainly Geo deserves some. You have been on Geo's jock since way back earlier in the season
 

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Geo isnt going to be the point guard...duh....Mulcahy will be, it will take some time, Geo will slide over at the 2 when Mulcahy is ready to full take over the job. All our guards will get plenty of time

the point about Caleb not starting over Geo right now is that you are putting a total different role and expectation on Caleb than what he might be capable of, it changes everything...for what? to start him in possibly the last game of the season in the B10 tourney..thats pretty odd.

Caleb is great at his role right now. Very very very effective in games. That does not mean he is ready to shoulder the role as starting point guard from tip
And Geo is doing a great job shouldering the load? We almost played 4 on 5 today, and with Doorson it's almost 3 on 5. Aren't you one of those guys who loves rating. My guess is McConnell was rated way higher than Geo, and he should have been. As I've been saying - sees the floor better, better passer, slightly better defender, better rebounder, and maybe even a better shooter - certainly better at creating a shot. I'm sure he can handle starting. The question is can Geo handle not starting.
 

S_Janowski

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He might have even been worse today. I like when kids get what they've earned. McConnel deserves to start in the tournament ahead of him. Add to my original assessment of Geo that he's soft because he is. Give Carter more minutes too. At least he's an athlete and aggressive around the basket, and can hit a foul shot. Doorson's a stiff. Other than leaning on someone defensively and an occasional dunk, the kid has no ability. Hard to believe five years in the program and that's as good as you are.

Joey Downes also deserved to play the last five minutes ahead of Geo

You really show you don’t know what you’re talking about when you suggest that Carter should be getting more minutes in place of Geo and crapping on the role Doorson has served along with his development at Rutgers.

Carter has been pretty bad the past 5-6 weeks and Doorsons progress and development has been nothing to crap on. He will be missed next year when we play certain opponents.
 
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Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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he had a bad game and is the focus of every coach's defense. Not sure what your point is with your continued bashing of Geo which goes beyond normal criticism and certainly Geo deserves some. You have been on Geo's jock since way back earlier in the season
Actually not true. I was a huge supporter of his since seeing him in high school. Fact is this was not just a bad game and he was not the focus of IU's defense. What were you looking at? He actually passed up on a lot of open shots.
 
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S_Janowski

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Unfortunately not but the game was over, Geo was horrendous, the kid has worked hard all season, and he deserved to get in. The game was over. And I'll stick by what I said. Mulcahy is a better PG than Geo right now, and McConnell is better also. If Geo is still the PG two years from now we're still a bottom feeder.

Geo isn’t a PG so let’s see how he does next year when he’s playing in his natural position.

McConnel has a higher ceiling at the 2/3 but Geo isn’t a true PG so let’s settle down with all the hate.
 

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You really show you don’t know what you’re talking about when you suggest that Carter should be getting more minutes in place of Geo and crapping on the role Doorson has served along with his development at Rutgers.

Carter has been pretty bad the past 5-6 weeks and Doorsons progress and development has been nothing to crap on. He will be missed next year when we play certain opponents.
Carter more minutes than Doorson. You might want to learn how to read. And with others hopefully developing Doorson won't be missed a bit
 

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Geo isn’t a PG so let’s see how he does next year when he’s playing in his natural position.

McConnel has a higher ceiling at the 2/3 but Geo isn’t a true PG so let’s settle down with all the hate.
There's no hate. I'm just pointing out some things that are becoming apparent.
 

S_Janowski

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Carter more minutes than Doorson. You might want to learn how to read. And with others hopefully developing Doorson won't be missed a bit

You called Geo soft and immediately followed it by saying Carter should be getting more minutes and that he’s aggressive and can hit a foul shot....maybe you should learn how to write.

Regardless, Carter has been pretty disappointing outside a couple games earlier in the season. At this point, we can’t be relying on him next year.

Better hope Doucoure shows a ton of development and learned how to stay out of foul trouble and we bring a big in for next year, otherwise we will be missing Doorson.
 

Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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You called Geo soft and immediately followed it by saying Carter should be getting more minutes and that he’s aggressive and can hit a foul shot....maybe you should learn how to write.

Regardless, Carter has been pretty disappointing outside a couple games earlier in the season. At this point, we can’t be relying on him next year.

Better hope Doucoure shows a ton of development and learned how to stay out of foul trouble and we bring a big in for next year, otherwise we will be missing Doorson.
And you can't read even given a second chance.
 

Scangg

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Carter, like many others on this team, has had a few game stretch where he looks good and then seems to regress. When this game was out of reach, I think he should have played more and given EO a rest on that knee.
 

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I am not hyper-critical of Mulcahy, he immediately becomes one of the Top 8 in the rotation with Young.

But if I posted the YouTube highlights of a key turnover down 2 points vs Roselle Catholic last night, it would be in poor taste and not my style. I had plenty of people that haven't seen Mulcahy go to Franklin to see the game and none of them have seen either Roselle Catholic play or Gill St Bernards.

When I connect with them in the next couple of days, I'm going to ask them for their unbiased or unaware opinions of the players and game, including Mulcahy. It is always important to get a neutral viewpoint of someone vs thinking you are seeing something that is or isn't there.

Mulcahy will be coached up because in the games I've seen, he turns the ball over way too much....and he turns it over too much trying to get closer or to the basket, vs taking what the defense presents, with a mid range jumper or perimeter jumper.

Montez Mathis has the same traits right now, except he's uber athletic and I've cringed on probably all of his drives...some went in, because he outjumped the defense or just was strong enough to score when fouled.....and in most of those situations, Mathis was hacked, and didn't get a foul called....it's almost as if he's driving into contact to draw fouls, which is fine. More mid range shots and better FT shooting takes Mathis 8 to 10PPG to 14 to 15PPG.

Mulcahy as the player we expect, will need to take some time.

I think the fans will be much more comfortable and excited about what Jacob Young brings to the table next year. Mulcahy will be much more of a McConnell like path of easing him into the season while Young will contribute immediately at a higher level.