Baldwin Jr. "75% sure"

[timritterus]

The formula doesn’t work. Worse, it creates discouragement on the rest of the team and a failure to develop the third three and four year players, like a Mark Williams. Coach K gives playing time priority to the top recruits and until this year, where he has had to give minutes because of the pandemic, he just doesn’t give a lot of minutes to lesser recruits. A Mark Williams I could see even fewer minutes next year with two center/power forward types coming in who are major recruits. Then he gets discouraged and if we recruit over him again the following year transfer talk starts to happen. Or he just really never develops as well as could have otherwise.

You still need talent but look at Baylor or even Gonzaga to a lesser degree. Baylor has no major recruits of note and they may be the best team in college basketball.

I prefer the model of trying to recruit guys were going to stay three or four years and grab one top 10 recruit every year, maybe two in the top 25 or so, and give minutes to players as they progress through their time at Duke in their second third and fourth year. Duke would be a much better program overall, there would be fewer transfers, and college basketball in general would benefit.

A developed Mark Williams is likely to go pro after next year too. Lower rated players want to go pro as soon as they can too.

Baylor brings in lots of transfer players. A lot of the programs who consistently have players stay a long time do so because those lower rated recruits are willing to sit on the bench and not play much early in their career. At a school that has the exposure Duke does, once a player develops and starts producing, they are likely to go pro. I just don't think it's that simple. In order to become that type of school, I think we would have to recruit differently for years.

This whole "get the most talent and sort it out" argument is getting weaker by the year. How good would Henry Coleman be right now with a ton of minutes? My guess is he'd be pretty good. Obviously you want talent but there are other factors. We're not the NBA, and we don't have to be obsessed with upside.

I really like Henry but I'm not sure how talented he is. He is a hustle player who is very strong, and has potential to be a good rebounder.

 

[jnastasi]

cant imagine some of our fans hasnt also inspired Baldwin to come to Duke, with their hatred for all things one and done

Really holding that grudge aren’t you buddy? It’s ok to let some things go in life. Esp on a Duke basketball message board.

 

[skysdad]

A developed Mark Williams is likely to go pro after next year too. Lower rated players want to go pro as soon as they can too.

Baylor brings in lots of transfer players. A lot of the programs who consistently have players stay a long time do so because those lower rated recruits are willing to sit on the bench and not play much early in their career. At a school that has the exposure Duke does, once a player develops and starts producing, they are likely to go pro. I just don't think it's that simple. In order to become that type of school, I think we would have to recruit differently for years.

I really like Henry but I'm not sure how talented he is. He is a hustle player who is very strong, and has potential to be a good rebounder.

Hustle players help you win games. OFC

 

[Quavarius]

Really holding that grudge aren’t you buddy? It’s ok to let some things go in life. Esp on a Duke basketball message board.

grudge? I’m not the one scaring off potential recruits, buddy. You may want to have that convo with other Duke fans

 

[skysdad]

grudge? I’m not the one scaring off potential recruits, buddy. You may want to have that convo with other Duke fans

There is a place you can go Q. Just civil discussions. No politics, no social issues. You can discuss those topics about anywhere. Just Duke basketball and related topics. You can express yourself there. Just not the confrentation. Check it out with Shownuff, oldasdirtdevil or dukefanky. They all can you total insight into what it's all about. Christohero should check it out too. All those of you who are interested check it out. You can still post on both boards. I do. I just post what I feel adds to a thread. OFC

 

[sheyduke]

I don’t really do social media. Well except here. I’m also not for all that type on a keyboard and bully crap. Fan bases are the same at any college Duke or a smaller school so , imo if that scares any kid off. They are already thinking wrong .

On to the next game. Now players need to step up .

 

[LetsGoDuke83]

I don’t really do social media. Well except here. I’m also not for all that type on a keyboard and bully crap. Fan bases are the same at any college Duke or a smaller school so , imo if that scares any kid off. They are already thinking wrong .

On to the next game. Now players need to step up .

100%, every fanbase has those fans.

 

[christophero]

I hope Baldwin comes to Duke. There are rumors that he and Johnson are buddies, so I wonder if this affects his decision. If not we will have Brakefield and Coleman and Williams and Banchero. Not too shabby.

 

[500HP_Devil]

Tipton Edits Twitter said today 3 more crystal ball predictions for UW-Milwaukee.

On a more positive note it also reported another crystal ball for Trevor Keels for Duke.

 

[LetsGoDuke83]

Tipton Edits Twitter said today 3 more crystal ball predictions for UW-Milwaukee.

On a more positive note it also reported another crystal ball for Trevor Keels for Duke.

Yep, time to lock up keels. Baldwin ain’t happening

 

[christophero]

Is Keels a 2 guard? Does that mean Steward may go pro? If we have Keels, Steward and Roach (and maybe Goldwire) that is a really good backcourt.

 

[GAAP_rivals]

Is Keels a 2 guard? Does that mean Steward may go pro? If we have Keels, Steward and Roach (and maybe Goldwire) that is a really good backcourt.

Could be the result of losing Baldwin to UWM.

 

[Laettner15]

Is Keels a 2 guard? Does that mean Steward may go pro? If we have Keels, Steward and Roach (and maybe Goldwire) that is a really good backcourt.

could be wrong.. I think this has more to do with goldwire then anything else. Yes the NCAA has made it that seniors could come back for a 5th year due to COVID (at least I think that’s what i read). In saying that, there is no guarantee that he comes back. If he doesn’t come back that leaves a back court of Roach and Steward with possible Wendell playing some minutes at the 2 if needed (if he comes back) and baker (but guarding that position will be tough for him)... we need someone else in the backcourt in case injury or foul trouble. Enter Keels.
Could be totally wrong but just a thought

 

[sheyduke]

I think Keels see no way that he couldn’t get minutes ( I don’t look for Goldwire to return) and look for Steward to return. I think Keels is a combo guard.

 

[LetsGoDuke83]

I think Keels see no way that he couldn’t get minutes ( I don’t look for Goldwire to return) and look for Steward to return. I think Keels is a combo guard.

Easily go 3 guard lineup at times with him. He’s a very physical guard

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Easily go 3 guard lineup at times with him. He’s a very physical guard

easily...goldies 29mpg are to be had

 

[Duke937]

I’m not sure why nobody is mentioning the thought that Mark Williams could leave too.. I mean it wouldn’t surprise me at all. He’s really come along the last couple weeks.

 

[timo0402]

I’m not sure why nobody is mentioning the thought that Mark Williams could leave too.. I mean it wouldn’t surprise me at all. He’s really come along the last couple weeks.

I’d be beyond stunned. Yes he’s improved and come along very nicely, but let’s be realistic. He’s got a long way to go, even for the NBA who’s looking for potential.

 

[Hofman19]

Mark Williams needs to stay...

His offensive game is still very raw and he needs to add a little muscle to his frame.

But, I do agree that he has come on strong and made himself a solid draft prospect for 2022.

 

[Duke937]

Come on now. Trevon Duvall left after a year.

 

[timo0402]

Come on now. Trevon Duvall left after a year.

Apples and oranges. Trevon was a freak athlete, who never wanted to even go to school. If he could have gone to the league Right away he would have. He was never staying more than a year. Mark is raw, he’s coming into his body. He never set to be OAD, meaning his mindset isn’t that of someone like Duvall or Giles etc.

 

[christophero]

Williams is raw, but he has things you can't teach and has been improving by the game it seems. It's not likely he goes but some NBA scouts are probably taking a close look at him. I'd put it at 20 percent that he goes. My gut tells me he comes back and goes next year. If we are super lucky we get 3 years.

 

[GAAP_rivals]

Mark Williams needs to stay...

His offensive game is still very raw and he needs to add a little muscle to his frame.

But, he could fine tune his game and put on weight just as easily (probably more efficiently) in the pros than in college. And get paid in the process.

 

[Hofman19]

But, he could fine tune his game and put on weight just as easily (probably more efficiently) in the pros than in college. And get paid in the process.

I get what you are saying, but keep in mind that a year of seasoning would improve his draft stock and potentially yield him a more lucrative rookie contract.

So waiting the year could actually make him money in the long run!

 

[GAAP_rivals]

I get what you are saying, but keep in mind that a year of seasoning would improve his draft stock and potentially yield him a more lucrative rookie contract.

So waiting the year could actually make him money in the long run!

It’s a tough choice. I hope he comes back. Would be awesome.

 

[topps coach]

This is a damned if u do and damned if you don’t arguement.Remember not to long ago The board was raising hell when K was not recruiting top ten players and could not beat UNCHEAT.We really need to decide on what we want

 

[sheyduke]

I’m not sure why nobody is mentioning the thought that Mark Williams could leave too.. I mean it wouldn’t surprise me at all. He’s really come along the last couple weeks.

He needs to expand is offensive game, put on more muscle and still work on his foot work. Mark Williams won’t leave. He has a chance to shine next season beside Pablo and Griffin. Then add in a sophomore Steward and Roach ( although wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Steward actually left) and then Moore, Baker, Brakesfield and Coleman to give him breaks.

 

[christophero]

I don't think anyone wants him to leave. Just saying it's a possibility. Not a probability.

 

[GAAP_rivals]

I don't think anyone wants him to leave. Just saying it's a possibility. Not a probability.

I’m sure our future opponents want him to leave...

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

I hope Baldwin comes to Duke. There are rumors that he and Johnson are buddies, so I wonder if this affects his decision. If not we will have Brakefield and Coleman and Williams and Banchero. Not too shabby.

Didnt Brakefiled play w/ Johnson and Baldwin some as well???...sure Brake would have a different tune

 

[df64]

Yes, Brakefield did play with Baldwin.

 

[IFaZe]

If you wanted to come to Duke and you’re good enough, I don’t see anything J could say that would impact his decision. And if it does, I really wouldn’t be disappointed in him not coming lol.

 

[IFaZe]

Dukes the best . Dukes tough. The fans are tough. You gotta be good and tough here. Mentally and physically.. Youre hated! Gotta be able to embrace it

 

[IFaZe]

With my competitive nature I’m not sure if I was good enough that I’d come to Duke. I’d want to beat them

 

[lyonhawk]

If you wanted to come to Duke and you’re good enough, I don’t see anything J could say that would impact his decision. And if it does, I really wouldn’t be disappointed in him not coming lol.

If you’re a top 5 kid, and you can look at all the guys that have come through here in the last 10 years and then decide you don’t want to come because of Jalen Johnson, it’s probably better for everyone if you don’t.

 

[9dukejames]

Honest question. Are we so sure that Hurt is going Pro. That means a lot in recruiting. A Jr hurt would be a very valuable player.

 

[skysdad]

Honest question. Are we so sure that Hurt is going Pro. That means a lot in recruiting. A Jr hurt would be a very valuable player.

As of Feb. 18th NBADraft.net does not have Hurt in the top 60. Things can change. OFC

 

[timo0402]

Honest question. Are we so sure that Hurt is going Pro. That means a lot in recruiting. A Jr hurt would be a very valuable player.

Yes I’m that sure. I’ve been wrong before and will again, but it would stun me. Can’t forget his age on this one too.

 

[2 skerz 3_rivals208847]

This whole "get the most talent and sort it out" argument is getting weaker by the year. How good would Henry Coleman be right now with a ton of minutes? My guess is he'd be pretty good. Obviously you want talent but there are other factors. We're not the NBA, and we don't have to be obsessed with upside.

Henry gave some very solid minutes tonight! Good call!

 

[christophero]

And Brakefield!