Baltimore, MD entertaining riots

[warrior-cat]

Your assumptions are why I can't leave this thread. I have been in such situations. I have marched with folks on injustices. I have seen hostile environments and been caught in the crosshairs of conflict. Read this sentence that YOU wrote and truly digest it, "Highly unllikely, no one knows how they would react unless they have been in situations like that before. All too often peoples opinions change once they have been threatened or have seen things first hand for themselves." You also reduced HUMAN BEINGS to ANIMALS. You are a sick person. These people live and breath just like you and don't deserve to be demeaned regardless of their actions. YOU cannot say what "most people" would do because you don't know most people. People process grief in a myriad of ways. Maybe I misspoke that no one on this board could understand the mentality these folks face but it still doesn't detract from the fact that they feel it.

This final statement is for you and whoever uses the word "thug" to describe black people they don't know. At least man up and use the word you REALLY want to use. Thug is just a diet version of the N word these days. Its thrown around to describe any and every black man who is victim to police violence as well as any black man who opposes it regardless of his means of opposition. Was the Batman shooter called a thug? No and he KILLED people. Are white collars criminals that steal millions if not billions of dollars called "thugs"? No they get slaps on the wrist and are sent back into the population. C'mon man!

This is exactly what I was talking about. You have no idea who you are dealing with. You bring race into an argument where race was not even mentioned. I don't know if you even watched the riots but in both Ferguson and Baltimore there were poeple of all colors protesting. Your ignorant take on what people really think is one of the reasons things like this happen. You immediately label people in the same manner in which you accuse me of. Then try to get all high and mighty. Even the Mayor, the city council, and the police chief of that city called them what they are, thugs. People who actually care for their city and want justice, do not destroy their own neighborhood. Lastly, I do know more people and types of people than you have a clue about. I have been around and have seen many things myself including many protest and have been on both sides Protestor and defender. Almost all went without incident but, could have gotten ugly. You need to step away from the ledge because you can't see the forrest for the trees.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

They need more moms like this.

 

[dezyDeco]

Btw you don't know me personally so you can't begin to assess my "looooonnng list of undesirable attributes". If you truly have experience "in these neighborhoods" and still hold the viewpoints you hold I'd say you didn't take a lot of time to truly get to know the people as a whole but I could be assuming again. !

Yeah, since "you don't know me personally"... you're ASSuming again. You've got that part down pat!

Hey man, you're right... I do not know you. You seem like the sensitive type, and I doubt you've ever been in a scary situation... to the level of fearing for your life. Maybe your boyfriend has, though? You should ask him about it, after you two guys finish watching Brokeback Mountain: A Very Special Edition.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

while the video of the mom is both awesome and kinda funny, it's also heartbreaking. Countless mothers have had their hearts ripped out by dumbarse sons like that. I can't imagine how terrifying that must be to watch your kid slide off the rails like that as he's growing up.

good parenting can't fix everything. sometimes the environment is just too toxic.

 

[KyFaninNC]

[QUOTE="coolcat9lives, post: 1602297, member: 11628"

This final statement is for you and whoever uses the word "thug" to describe black people they don't know. At least man up and use the word you REALLY want to use. Thug is just a diet version of the N word these days. Its thrown around to describe any and every black man who is victim to police violence as well as any black man who opposes it regardless of his means of opposition. Was the Batman shooter called a thug? No and he KILLED people. Are white collars criminals that steal millions if not billions of dollars called "thugs"? No they get slaps on the wrist and are sent back into the population. C'mon man![/QUOTE]


You need to email Obama then, because he used these exact words today to describe the looters. You really think Obama was really thinking the "N" word? B/S like this that you spew is what makes a real conversation about race in this country impossible. Go back under your rock.

 

[coolcat9lives]

Yeah, since "you don't know me personally"... you're ASSuming again. You've got that part down pat!

Hey man, you're right... I do not know you. You seem like the sensitive type, and I doubt you've ever been in a scary situation... to the level of fearing for your life. Maybe your boyfriend has, though? You should ask him about it, after you two guys finish watching Brokeback Mountain: A Very Special Edition.

Have a great life sir.

 

[coolcat9lives]

[QUOTE="coolcat9lives, post: 1602297, member: 11628"

This final statement is for you and whoever uses the word "thug" to describe black people they don't know. At least man up and use the word you REALLY want to use. Thug is just a diet version of the N word these days. Its thrown around to describe any and every black man who is victim to police violence as well as any black man who opposes it regardless of his means of opposition. Was the Batman shooter called a thug? No and he KILLED people. Are white collars criminals that steal millions if not billions of dollars called "thugs"? No they get slaps on the wrist and are sent back into the population. C'mon man!

You need to email Obama then, because he used these exact words today to describe the looters. You really think Obama was really thinking the "N" word? B/S like this that you spew is what makes a real conversation about race in this country impossible. Go back under your rock.[/QUOTE]
Have a great life sir.

 

[UK_Memphis]

^ Can you clean that up a little 9lives. Hard to tell who said what.

 

[rodgerblue]

90% of homicide victims in Baltimore are African American. So?

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Since Ferguson, I've become a little racist. And now watching Baltimore, I've become even more. These black guys are just wanting to beat the he11 out of any white person they see. You cant have a civil, intelligent discussion, they just go nuts and carry on like wild animals. I love it when they say "this is a peaceful protest" on TV. Yeah, except for the all the looting, fights, and businesses burnt to the ground. Nuke the whole area, problem solved.

 

[cbpointblank1979]

Since Ferguson, I've become a little racist. And now watching Baltimore, I've become even more. These black guys are just wanting to beat the he11 out of any white person they see. You cant have a civil, intelligent discussion, they just go nuts and carry on like wild animals. I love it when they say "this is a peaceful protest" on TV. Yeah, except for the all the looting, fights, and businesses burnt to the ground. Nuke the whole area, problem solved.

a little?

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

a little?

 

[jwheat]

Cops came come into a neighborhood, chased a man that they had no responsible suspicion to think was committing a crime, arrested said man who then dies in their custody.

Have you seen his arrest record? I think him waking up and stepping out of the house gave the cops a suspicion that he was committing a crime

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

Yawn...another riot? When does the media start covering shark attacks? Bored with the whole riot thing.

 

[JHB4UK]

Just so amusing to hear liberal piles of crap in the media & one in this thread trying to make the term "Thug" into being a racist awful word that should never be spoken...only to have Obama slam that accurate description right on top of everything and everyone involved in Baltimore

oops!

 

[dezyDeco]

Have you seen his arrest record? I think him waking up and stepping out of the house gave the cops a suspicion that he was committing a crime

I don't know if it's accurate, but I saw this one below. If true, Freddie waited a WHOLE WEEK after his 18th birthday to get caught doing something illegal. What a SAINT!!!

 

[kghighroller]

Something was going around about this guy and how he had a pre-existing spine injury/surgery etc. Not saying its accurate just read it somewhere so not sure.

 

[CardFan1130]

You are definitely condoning the looting, not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Call Ripley's---UKRob completed a sentence without completely mangling it with grammatical errors and misspellings. Go get em Daddy's Boy!

 

[dezyDeco]

Just so amusing to hear liberal piles of crap in the media & one in this thread trying to make the term "Thug" into being a racist awful word that should never be spoken...only to have Obama slam that accurate description right on top of everything and everyone involved in Baltimore

oops!

Like the proverbial Stopped Clock... obumma occasionally gets it right.

I was watching an old Gangster Movie the other day... had a bunch of "thugs" in it... they looked more like Italians to me, than Blacks. I guess I need to adjust the color controls on my TV.

 

[CardFan1130]

I don't know if it's accurate, but I saw this one below. If true, Freddie waited a WHOLE WEEK after his 18th birthday to get caught doing something illegal. What a SAINT!!!

So in your mind, he pretty much deserved to have his spine nearly severed, right? Last I knew, not one of those is a capital offense. Last I knew, police are in the business of making arrests not carrying out sentences. But this is typical--dig up dirt on the victim so as to justify his death at the hands of psychopathic cops with a penchant for violence. Otherwise, what is the point of bringing up the guy's criminal record? What point are you seeking to make here?

 

[krazykats]

I don't care about Freddie Gray or anything that happened to him. Personally if he was white Id be happy he made it home and didn't have to handle the struggle life caused him. His record shows he was a weak person and had no intentions of getting right while here.

As far as the riots go, well it's like an onion. As you peel layer after layer back the stench gets stronger and stronger making each layer tougher to deal with.

The first problem is the police. No matter what killing people for almost no reason(like the guy running from cop before this riot) is awful. The second problem is the lack of respect for cops which is only a problem because of the first problem.

Asking civilized Americans to have empathy for shear stupidity because we haven't been in those shoes is also stupid. You know why I'm not in those shoes? Because I choose not to do stupid stuff, and that doesn't mean I don't have run ins with the police. What it does mean is I don't run because my tags are expired, or mouth off because I was only going 8 MPH over etc etc. now if those crimes are not of the same nature as some of the idiots making the police enemies then that's on those idiots of the world and not for me to sympathize or empathize with.

The next problem is no one in America responds until this level of stupidity requires us to respond. However, the response given is toward the rioters so it's never the right response because the real issue gets lost.

Lack of black leaders, or any leaders for that matter, is a result of govt killing off leaders of the past and people being to cowardice to stand for something anymore. Sure there are some, but they are mostly paid for by corporations at some point so their original message gets corrupted.

Thus leading us to what we got today, a real problem and no real chance for a real solution.

Fear is stronger than love, and it shows every day as people act out of fear and do their best to hide their love.

 

[dezyDeco]

So in your mind, he pretty much deserved to have his spine nearly severed, right? Last I knew, not one of those is a capital offense. Last I knew, police are in the business of making arrests not carrying out sentences. But this is typical--dig up dirt on the victim so as to justify his death at the hands of psychopathic cops with a penchant for violence. Otherwise, what is the point of bringing up the guy's criminal record? What point are you seeking to make here?

Can you read? Someone mentioned his rap sheet... I asked if the one I saw was correct. There is a gap from 2009-2011 which makes me curious about it. Do you have a link for an up-to-date arrest record?

Now, what point are you trying to make? That (barely) "past" behavior doesn't matter? How typical of you. Hopefully, the paroled child-molesters and murderers move next door to you... they have to live somewhere, I guess, and it seems that you wouldn't care about whatever did before they became your neighbor.

 

[jwheat]

Asking civilized Americans to have empathy for shear stupidity because we haven't been in those shoes is also stupid. You know why I'm not in those shoes? Because I choose not to do stupid stuff, and that doesn't mean I don't have run ins with the police. What it does mean is I don't run because my tags are expired, or mouth off because I was only going 8 MPH over etc etc. now if those crimes are not of the same nature as some of the idiots making the police enemies then that's on those idiots of the world and not for me to sympathize or empathize with.

This is really the only response needed when somebody says that I havent been in their shoes. There is a reason I havent been in their shoes, because I go about my day and try to get along with everyone. I give a lot of the credit to my parents who busted my *** regularly when I acted out as a kid. Maybe that mother who went after her kid should have went to one of the few trees in Baltimore and acquired a switch and busted his *** with it.

 

[Festivus Miracle]

And yet, the mother, who is now hailed as a hero for disciplining her son, is the root of the problem. She is a single mother of six kids and cursing like a sailor as she disciplines her child. Sure, once you have become pregnant and have the child, you should discipline. But how about stopping around two?

And in the area that I live in, this is definitely not a black/white issue. Same thing happening with white, Hispanic, and even some Mennonite women. They have child after child after child with no obvious financial support but the local Department of Human Services.

 

[jwheat]

Im not hailing the mother as a hero. If her parenting skills were up to par when she told that BOY to get his *** in the house he would have put his head down and listened. If I ever pulled away and smacked at my mothers hand I would have regretted it.

 

[wkycatfan_rivals376690]

The POTUS has weighed in enough times on these matters, that I've decided that he would really like to nationalize (as with everything else it seems) all local police.

 

[dezyDeco]

And yet, the mother, who is now hailed as a hero for disciplining her son, is the root of the problem. She is a single mother of six kids and cursing like a sailor as she disciplines her child. Sure, once you have become pregnant and have the child, you should discipline. But how about stopping around two?

And in the area that I live in, this is definitely not a black/white issue. Same thing happening with white, Hispanic, and even some Mennonite women. They have child after child after child with no obvious financial support but the local Department of Human Services.

Hmmm... some people would respond:

1) It's not their fault... they haven't figured out what causes that.
2) We need more sex education.
3) We need some multi-million-dollar Gov't research grants to solve this.
4) We need some more of that "free" Sandra Fluke birth control.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Hmmm... some people would respond:

1) It's not their fault... they haven't figured out what causes that.
2) We need more sex education.
3) We need some multi-million-dollar Gov't research grants to solve this.
4) We need some more of that "free" Sandra Fluke birth control.

5) More free condoms
6)Mandatory sterilization of felony level inmates

 

[CardFan1130]

Can you read? Someone mentioned his rap sheet... I asked if the one I saw was correct. There is a gap from 2009-2011 which makes me curious about it. Do you have a link for an up-to-date arrest record?

Now, what point are you trying to make? That (barely) "past" behavior doesn't matter? How typical of you. Hopefully, the paroled child-molesters and murderers move next door to you... they have to live somewhere, I guess, and it seems that you wouldn't care about whatever did before they became your neighbor.

Right "past" behavior doesn't matter in this particular instance (e.g. cops take guy into custody and he ends up with his spine crushed). I don't care who he was or what he did. But nice deflection with the child molester, murderer quip. But again, wholly irrelevant and I suspect you're smart enough know that.

 

[krazykats]

How do we know what happened to his spine or that the police were at fault?

Just because is supposedly happened while in custody doesn't make it true.

And even still, if it did happen and it's the police fault does that justify burning down businesses? These people are their own problem today. Once they stop everyone will focus on the police and their problems.

It really is that simple.

 

[jwheat]

The only logical thing to do is send out a swat team with mags full of rubber bullets and start laying them out.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Right "past" behavior doesn't matter in this particular instance (e.g. cops take guy into custody and he ends up with his spine crushed). I don't care who he was or what he did. But nice deflection with the child molester, murderer quip. But again, wholly irrelevant and I suspect you're smart enough know that.

His rap sheet was buying and selling narcotics. There was nothing violent that I've seen in that history which would warrant him to be considered dangerous.
Anyone thinks it's fine if the injuries he suffered were from the police must want Putin's Cossacks patrolling the streets.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

A friend of mine was in Vietnam a few years ago. His wife had her bag stolen on a busy street. The cops chased the thief down, brought him back to my friends wife for positive ID. After that, he was given 2 phone calls to say goodbye to his family and was shot in the head. It made the papers, the picture and the story. They dont have a crime problem.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

The only logical thing to do is send out a swat team with mags full of rubber bullets and start laying them out.

Agreed.

 

[dezyDeco]

I don't care who he was or what he did. .

You sure don't!!!

Do you have extra rooms in your trailer? You should let some of these "clean slates" move in with you. They could watch the kids, while you and Mr.cardfan go downtown for a couple nights.


Anyway, "I suspect you're smart enough to know that" nobody has suggested that it would be OK for the police to intentionally crush someone's spine... even though it seems to be your go-to with this topic.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

The only logical thing to do is send out a swat team with mags full of rubber bullets and start laying them out.

Rubber bullets still can kill.
They been giving police tactical military surplus, they need to give them this.

 

[jwheat]

Sandbag bullets? Something that is going to put them down on the ground screamig that isnt going to kill them. Get hit with a few sandbags coming at about 1200 ft/sec and you arent gonna be burning anything down or doing much of anything for that matter.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

What does 1200 ft/sec sandbag do when it hits someones head?

 

[jwheat]

Stops them from buring down peoples businesses and attacking innocent people in the street.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Stops them from buring down peoples businesses and attacking innocent people in the street.

Maybe we should be using them here.