Bama or Clemson

Bama or Clemson?


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Cat Box

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I really want Clemson to win, for no other reason than Alabama wins so much and I want some diversity in Championships from year to year.
 
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JCHILLTOPPERS

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I really want Clemson to win, for no other reason than Alabama wins so much and I want some diversity in Championships from year to year.

i think clemson is rolling. I love momentum. I also think bama will miss kiffin.
 

Jiggs

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I took Clemson over OSU and I am sticking with them. They have the athletes and win the battle of the intangibles.
 

Corey90

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I really want Clemson to win, for no other reason than Alabama wins so much and I want some diversity in Championships from year to year.

Bama
Defense wins championships and Bama has the best defense in college football.
 

MWittman

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i think clemson is rolling. I love momentum.

JCHILL:

I wholeheartedly agree. After delivering a massive payoff blow against OSU, I think Clemson is driven by the oldest motive of all, revenge.

I also think bama will miss kiffin.

It is, however, your second comment I earnestly disagree with. A middling talent at best, Lane Kiffin is one of a handful of present-day sports figures who are walking examples of the perils of nepotism. Advancing, promoted or appointed on the basis of his patronym or personal ties over actual experience, credentials, prior performance or, most important, a record illustrating success, Kiffin has earned millions for producing unremarkable football at two plum college programs and a legendary NFL franchise.

How this guy captivates you persists as a mystery to me. Named the head coach at one NFL franchise and two notable college-football programs, Kiffin's appointments were almost entirely based on the infirm storyline he was an exceptionally-gifted offensive mind destined for football greatness as a head coach at a storied college-football program. The best way to bolster this ridiculous myth was to appoint assistants who could prop him up; this strategy obviously did not work. Unfortunately, despite all the ballyhoo surrounding his experience with successful programs as an assistant and many holding the mistaken belief he was the next Messiah of college football, he never materialized as a great head coach in his own right. In fact, he never reached a lackluster level in three previous head-coaching positions. For the sake of college football, Kiffin should have remained on the staff as an assistant with Pete Carroll at USC. Perhaps he could have attached himself to Carroll's coattails and landed in Seattle; it certainly would have helped him avoid the humiliation of being hauled off a flight, dragged into a filthy, urine-soaked bathroom at LAX and unceremoniously dismissed at 3 a.m. after his USC team was beaten like a rented mule 62-41 by ASU.

After dismal results in Oakland, 5-15, at Tennessee, 7-6, a brief tenure marked by his reckless charge of illegal recruiting hurled against every SEC head coach, and USC, 28-15, I can not bring myself to agree with your feeble estimation the Tide will long for Kiffin.

In view of his record, I have determined Kiffin has failed to muster the endurance to perform in a head-coaching capacity anywhere.

Before you and Dean vomit up the same stale and unconvincing arguments Kiffin was hamstrung by NCAA sanctions, I would gently direct you two nitwits to the masterful job Bill O'Brien did in his two years at Penn State. In stark contrast to a penalized USC, the conditions O'Brien faced in State College were far more grave and far more likely to have impacted the Nittany Lions than the sanctions the NCAA imposed upon the Trojans. O'Brien departed PSU after amassing an impressive 15-9 record under the devastating weight of NCAA punishment.

I would hire Jerry Sandusky to coordinate recruiting before I would ever hire Lane Kiffin to be a head coach anywhere on any level.

For many famous public figures, the path to the top of the mountain can be wide and filled with exciting memories. For Kiffin, it was propelled by his last name only and boosted by sympathetic figures familiar with his father, Monte. What I will find great enjoyment with is watching Kiffin hurled from atop his Mount Olympus into irrelevance in a slow, steady southward glide in which he suffers less gracefully than other falls from positions of dignity.

A poster boy for mediocrity, he will face a swift, ignominious exit from FAU.
 

Voodoo Tatum 21

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JCHILL:

I wholeheartedly agree. After delivering a massive payoff blow against OSU, I think Clemson is driven by the oldest motive of all, revenge.



It is, however, your second comment I earnestly disagree with. A middling talent at best, Lane Kiffin is one of a handful of present-day sports figures who are walking examples of the perils of nepotism. Advancing, promoted or appointed on the basis of his patronym or personal ties over actual experience, credentials, prior performance or, most important, a record illustrating success, Kiffin has earned millions for producing unremarkable football at two plum college programs and a legendary NFL franchise.

How this guy captivates you persists as a mystery to me. Named the head coach at one NFL franchise and two notable college-football programs, Kiffin's appointments were almost entirely based on the infirm storyline he was an exceptionally-gifted offensive mind destined for football greatness as a head coach at a storied college-football program. The best way to bolster this ridiculous myth was to appoint assistants who could prop him up; this strategy obviously did not work. Unfortunately, despite all the ballyhoo surrounding his experience with successful programs as an assistant and many holding the mistaken belief he was the next Messiah of college football, he never materialized as a great head coach in his own right. In fact, he never reached a lackluster level in three previous head-coaching positions. For the sake of college football, Kiffin should have remained on the staff as an assistant with Pete Carroll at USC. Perhaps he could have attached himself to Carroll's coattails and landed in Seattle; it certainly would have helped him avoid the humiliation of being hauled off a flight, dragged into a filthy, urine-soaked bathroom at LAX and unceremoniously dismissed at 3 a.m. after his USC team was beaten like a rented mule 62-41 by ASU.

After dismal results in Oakland, 5-15, at Tennessee, 7-6, a brief tenure marked by his reckless charge of illegal recruiting hurled against every SEC head coach, and USC, 28-15, I can not bring myself to agree with your feeble estimation the Tide will long for Kiffin.

In view of his record, I have determined Kiffin has failed to muster the endurance to perform in a head-coaching capacity anywhere.

Before you and Dean vomit up the same stale and unconvincing arguments Kiffin was hamstrung by NCAA sanctions, I would gently direct you two nitwits to the masterful job Bill O'Brien did in his two years at Penn State. In stark contrast to a penalized USC, the conditions O'Brien faced in State College were far more grave and far more likely to have impacted the Nittany Lions than the sanctions the NCAA imposed upon the Trojans. O'Brien departed PSU after amassing an impressive 15-9 record under the devastating weight of NCAA punishment.

I would hire Jerry Sandusky to coordinate recruiting before I would ever hire Lane Kiffin to be a head coach anywhere on any level.

For many famous public figures, the path to the top of the mountain can be wide and filled with exciting memories. For Kiffin, it was propelled by his last name only and boosted by sympathetic figures familiar with his father, Monte. What I will find great enjoyment with is watching Kiffin hurled from atop his Mount Olympus into irrelevance in a slow, steady southward glide in which he suffers less gracefully than other falls from positions of dignity.

A poster boy for mediocrity, he will face a swift, ignominious exit from FAU.

I'm not sure which one is worse.... Kiffin...or the drunk booger eating Sarkisian as his replacement.
 

Corey90

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JCHILL:

I wholeheartedly agree. After delivering a massive payoff blow against OSU, I think Clemson is driven by the oldest motive of all, revenge.



It is, however, your second comment I earnestly disagree with. A middling talent at best, Lane Kiffin is one of a handful of present-day sports figures who are walking examples of the perils of nepotism. Advancing, promoted or appointed on the basis of his patronym or personal ties over actual experience, credentials, prior performance or, most important, a record illustrating success, Kiffin has earned millions for producing unremarkable football at two plum college programs and a legendary NFL franchise.

How this guy captivates you persists as a mystery to me. Named the head coach at one NFL franchise and two notable college-football programs, Kiffin's appointments were almost entirely based on the infirm storyline he was an exceptionally-gifted offensive mind destined for football greatness as a head coach at a storied college-football program. The best way to bolster this ridiculous myth was to appoint assistants who could prop him up; this strategy obviously did not work. Unfortunately, despite all the ballyhoo surrounding his experience with successful programs as an assistant and many holding the mistaken belief he was the next Messiah of college football, he never materialized as a great head coach in his own right. In fact, he never reached a lackluster level in three previous head-coaching positions. For the sake of college football, Kiffin should have remained on the staff as an assistant with Pete Carroll at USC. Perhaps he could have attached himself to Carroll's coattails and landed in Seattle; it certainly would have helped him avoid the humiliation of being hauled off a flight, dragged into a filthy, urine-soaked bathroom at LAX and unceremoniously dismissed at 3 a.m. after his USC team was beaten like a rented mule 62-41 by ASU.

After dismal results in Oakland, 5-15, at Tennessee, 7-6, a brief tenure marked by his reckless charge of illegal recruiting hurled against every SEC head coach, and USC, 28-15, I can not bring myself to agree with your feeble estimation the Tide will long for Kiffin.

In view of his record, I have determined Kiffin has failed to muster the endurance to perform in a head-coaching capacity anywhere.

Before you and Dean vomit up the same stale and unconvincing arguments Kiffin was hamstrung by NCAA sanctions, I would gently direct you two nitwits to the masterful job Bill O'Brien did in his two years at Penn State. In stark contrast to a penalized USC, the conditions O'Brien faced in State College were far more grave and far more likely to have impacted the Nittany Lions than the sanctions the NCAA imposed upon the Trojans. O'Brien departed PSU after amassing an impressive 15-9 record under the devastating weight of NCAA punishment.

I would hire Jerry Sandusky to coordinate recruiting before I would ever hire Lane Kiffin to be a head coach anywhere on any level.

For many famous public figures, the path to the top of the mountain can be wide and filled with exciting memories. For Kiffin, it was propelled by his last name only and boosted by sympathetic figures familiar with his father, Monte. What I will find great enjoyment with is watching Kiffin hurled from atop his Mount Olympus into irrelevance in a slow, steady southward glide in which he suffers less gracefully than other falls from positions of dignity.

A poster boy for mediocrity, he will face a swift, ignominious exit from FAU.

MWitt
Although I agree with you about Kiffin and that he will never be a good head coach. Your comment about hiring Jerry Sandusky before Kiffin is sick. I would never hire Kiffin but if forced in a situation to choose between the two, I flat out could never hire a child molester!
 

Bwm57

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MWitt
Although I agree with you about Kiffin and that he will never be a good head coach. Your comment about hiring Jerry Sandusky before Kiffin is sick. I would never hire Kiffin but if forced in a situation to choose between the two, I flat out could never hire a child molester!
Corey,
I think you are taking this too literally vs. figuratively.
With that said, this was an odd choice.
Perhaps Charlie Weiss instead?
 

MWittman

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MWitt
Your comment about hiring Jerry Sandusky before Kiffin is sick.

corey:

Let's not get carried away here; I was harnessing substantial sarcasm with the comparison of the two men.

My use of Sandusky was not a suggestion I would entrust a convicted pedophile with the responsibility of interaction with young men or children nor was it an endorsement of his activity. To the contrary, I was merely underlining how low my opinion is of Kiffin in the role of a head coach.

I think Bwm hit the nail right on the head when he mentioned my choice was perhaps severe in comparison to the nature of the subject of this thread in relation to my response, but it was not approval of the defensive-coordinator-turned-pervert, Sandusky.

As far as Weis, well, I find his hire at KU about as curious as they come. If I were the AD at FAU, New Mexico or Kansas, and I received Kiffin's, Davie's or Weis' resume to fill an open head-coaching position at the school which I represented, I would "lose" their application or delete their online profile double-quick.

If you are the head baseball coach at Arizona State University, the head football coach at ND or the head basketball coach at North Carolina, and you can not win with the talent pool available at those schools, you won't build successful programs anywhere.
 

Corey90

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corey:

Let's not get carried away here; I was harnessing substantial sarcasm with the comparison of the two men.

My use of Sandusky was not a suggestion I would entrust a convicted pedophile with the responsibility of interaction with young men or children nor was it an endorsement of his activity. To the contrary, I was merely underlining how low my opinion is of Kiffin in the role of a head coach.

I think Bwm hit the nail right on the head when he mentioned my choice was perhaps severe in comparison to the nature of the subject of this thread in relation to my response, but it was not approval of the defensive-coordinator-turned-pervert, Sandusky.

As far as Weis, well, I find his hire at KU about as curious as they come. If I were the AD at FAU, New Mexico or Kansas, and I received Kiffin's, Davie's or Weis' resume to fill an open head-coaching position at the school which I represented, I would "lose" their application or delete their online profile double-quick.

If you are the head baseball coach at Arizona State University, the head football coach at ND or the head basketball coach at North Carolina, and you can not win with the talent pool available at those schools, you won't build successful programs anywhere.[/QUOTE

I knew you were making a comparison but it was a poor choice. I could pick a bunch of coaches Sandusky would never be one of them. That dude is in a completely different category.
 

Bwm57

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Imagine owning an all you can eat buffet in a town with both Charlie Weiss and Tracy Claeys on the local coaching staff.
 

LakeCtyNewt

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What an impressive performance by both teams. Lots of future NFL stars in the field tonight.
 

MC63

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Clemson pulled it off ... congratulations to them.

4 hours is way too much, however. That replay at the end took longer than my last transfusion.
 
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Voodoo Tatum 21

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What a game!! I put that game right up there with the Texas/USC rose bowl national championship game. Clemson must have run 100 offensive plays in the game and finally wore down that tough Bama D!!
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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How many cold games have he played in? Pointless to take a guy that is not equip to handle conditions of Chicago. Windy and Cold.

How many cold games did Brett Favre play in at Southern Miss? Jim Kelly at Miami? Tarkenton at Georgia? Starr at Alabama? I'd say those southern school QBs did pretty well playing for cold weather NFL teams.
 
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LHSTigers94

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How many cold games did Brett Favre play in at Southern Miss? Jim Kelly at Miami? Tarkenton at Georgia? Starr at Alabama? I'd say those southern school QBs did pretty well playing for cold weather NFL teams.

Neither were thrown in the fire from day one. They all had time to adjust to the environment right?
 

Snetsrak61

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Neither were thrown in the fire from day one. They all had time to adjust to the environment right?
Well specifically to the cold, I dont think time on the bench is going to matter.

Generally speaking about not bring rushed (for other reasons- learning pro offense, developing his body, etc), there is no reason the Bears should have to rush any QB. So that shouldnt be a factor IMO.
 

UlbKA91

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Game adrenaline and peer pressure from your linemen (seeing them sleeveless) does a lot to get you used to the cold fast. J. Kelly not a good example b/c he grew up in western PA (one could also say Miami QBs, typically from the North during the U's heyday, did well with the adjustment to humidity and heavy air).
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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J. Kelly not a good example b/c he grew up in western PA (one could also say Miami QBs, typically from the North during the U's heyday, did well with the adjustment to humidity and heavy air).

Growing up in western PA and playing high school football there in September/October is not the same as playing in Buffalo in December/January.
 

LakeCtyNewt

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Nobody likes playing in cold weather whether they have done it before or not.

If the kid can play, take him. If you're fearful of him playing in cold temps then he's got far too many issues to play in this league if he can't overcome that.
 
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Wassup13_rivals219252

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Watson sure can play in the big games. Two great games against Bama in back to back years. I take him or Mahomes if I am the Nears.

No way on Tribisky

Wassup
 
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jwarigaku

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Ramblin,

We play football here in PA until the second or third week of December depending on the year and the way the calendar falls.

Growing up in western PA and playing high school football there in September/October is not the same as playing in Buffalo in December/January.
 

Bwm57

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Watson sure can play in the big games. Two great games against Bama in back to back years. But I don't pick him if I were the Bears as 30 interceptions during the season is too many for me.

Not a Kizer fan either. I pass on both.

Wassup
Wassup,
When did Watson have 30 interceptions?
I think he had 17 with 579 attempts in 2016 season.
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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Ramblin,

We play football here in PA until the second or third week of December depending on the year and the way the calendar falls.

Didn't know that. You folks must have bye weeks built into the regular season and in between the end of the regular season and the playoffs.

Regardless, I still think that there's a difference between football in Buffalo in December/January and football in western PA in early December (which is played only by a handful of high school teams left standing in the playoffs at that point).
 

LHSTigers94

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Not saying that a QB can adapt however throwing in Windy Chicago is different then throwing in the southeast region. Arm Strength is the most important quality and I haven't seen that from Watson. Throwing jump balls and pick routes in perfect conditions do not provide me with confidence in his ability to play in Chicago.
 
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