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18IsTheMan

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10 seasons. .539 overall record, .444 conference record. 5 losing conference seasons, 4 winning conference seasons, 1 .500 conference season. NIT in Year 4, Final Four in Year 5, likely NIT in Year 10. No post-season play in 7 out of 10 seasons.

When you strip everything else away and just look at the numbers, how does that strike you?
 
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10 seasons. .539 overall record, .444 conference record. 5 losing conference seasons, 4 winning conference seasons, 1 .500 conference season. NIT in Year 4, Final Four in Year 5, likely NIT in Year 10. No post-season play in 7 out of 10 seasons.

When you strip everything else away and just look at the numbers, how does that strike you?

Is "less than overwhelming" diplomatic enough?
 

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Better than the previous 10 season haha
Well that would be one way to impress your boss during the annual review.
"Yes, I know my results have been underperforming for the majority of my tenure, but the person before me was worse. So in light of that I feel I am deserving of not only being retained, but a contract to extend my contract"
Now ask yourself, in the real world how do you think this meeting would go down.
 

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Well that would be one way to impress your boss during the annual review.
"Yes, I know my results have been underperforming for the majority of my tenure, but the person before me was worse. So in light of that I feel I am deserving of not only being retained, but a contract to extend my contract"
Now ask yourself, in the real world how do you think this meeting would go down.
"Thank you for your service......"
 

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10 seasons. .539 overall record, .444 conference record. 5 losing conference seasons, 4 winning conference seasons, 1 .500 conference season. NIT in Year 4, Final Four in Year 5, likely NIT in Year 10. No post-season play in 7 out of 10 seasons.

When you strip everything else away and just look at the numbers, how does that strike you?
Strikes me as this kind of crap is par for the course for us as a program
 

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Strikes me as this kind of crap is par for the course for us as a program
10 seasons. .539 overall record, .444 conference record. 5 losing conference seasons, 4 winning conference seasons, 1 .500 conference season. NIT in Year 4, Final Four in Year 5, likely NIT in Year 10. No post-season play in 7 out of 10 seasons.

When you strip everything else away and just look at the numbers, how does that strike you?
Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.
 

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Whether 9 or 10 years really doesn't matter, IMO.

In another thread, I posted that USC needs to conduct a thorough, measured search for a new MBB coach. And this does play into the public persona you mentioned.

Regarding team personnel, how many stick around for all four years anyway? Would like to see more stability. Transfer portal will hurt that.
 
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Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.

Frank Martin is a national brand? He's obviously well-known and respected in coaching circles, but he's not anyone recruits care about.
 

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Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.
Dude: frank is not a NATIONAL BRAND.
 

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Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.
Frank Martin in not a national brand.
The announcement of his firing will be made, a small story line of FM's hiring date, his record, lack of tournament appearances", a brief 2 minute segment on ESPN and that will be the end of it.
Frustrated fanbase.


As much as what I am about to state may be received with much criticism, IMHO we are of little interest here in Southeast, and of no interest to the rest of the country as far as MBB is concerned.
 
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Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.

A .550 SunBelt team named Coastal Carolina came into our arena and beat us by 24 points in year 10.
 

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Frank Martin in not a national brand.
The announcement of his firing will be made, a small story line of FM's hiring date, his record, lack of tournament appearances", a brief 2 minute segment on ESPN and that will be the end of it.
Frustrated fanbase.


As much as what I am about to state may be received with much criticism, IMHO we are of little interest here in Southeast, and of no interest to the rest of the country as far as MBB is concerned.
We're so irrelevant in basketball that I'd be surprised if it even got a mention on ESPN. I can imagine a very brief, informational write-up on their site, but I doubt they'd cover it on television.

"The University of South Carolina has decided to part ways with men's head basketball coach Frank Martin, following a decade of inconsistent success. Martin took over a floundering program in 2012 and made gradual progress in each of his 4 season before taking the Gamecocks to the NCAA Tournament in his 5th season. The Gamecocks made the most of that opportunity with a surprise run to their only Final Four appearance in school history, coming up just short against Gonzaga in the semifinal contest. The Gamecocks, however, failed to capitalize on that Final Four run, slumping to a 17-16 (7-11) record the following season and failing to earn another postseason bid until picking up an NIT berth this past season. Like many other programs, Martin and the Gamecocks were hit hard with COVID-19 during the 2020-2021 season, with Martin enduring two separate bouts of the illness. Martin stated that he will take some much needed time off to spend with his family before he makes any decisions on his coaching future. Gamecocks AD Ray Tanner stated that the school will perform a thorough national search for Martin's replacement."
 
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A .550 SunBelt team named Coastal Carolina came into our arena and beat us by 24 points in year 10.
Actually, in a genius scheduling decision, that game was played at Coastal.
 
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We're so irrelevant in basketball that I'd be surprised if it even got a mention on ESPN. I can imagine a very brief, informational write-up on their site, but I doubt they'd cover it on television.

"The University of South Carolina has decided to part ways with men's head basketball coach Frank Martin, following a decade of inconsistent success. Martin took over a floundering program in 2012 and made gradual progress in each of his 4 season before taking the Gamecocks to the NCAA Tournament in his 5th season. The Gamecocks made the most of that opportunity with a surprise run to their only Final Four appearance in school history, coming up just short against Gonzaga in the semifinal contest. The Gamecocks, however, failed to capitalize on that Final Four run, slumping to a 17-16 (7-11) record the following season and failing to earn another postseason bid until picking up an NIT berth this past season. Like many other programs, Martin and the Gamecocks were hit hard with COVID-19 during the 2020-2021 season, with Martin enduring two separate bouts of the illness. Martin stated that he will take some much needed time off to spend with his family before he makes any decisions on his coaching future. Gamecocks AD Ray Tanner stated that the school will perform a thorough national search for Martin's replacement."
As with football (Napier, etc..), we will see that this will not play out well for the new coaching search. More people support Frank Martin as a coach than they recognize SC as a good basketball job. Some, other than us fans, think Martin has worked miracles in our league to be above the lower third. If and when he is out, he will be on TV amongst some of these basketball talking heads that control the narrative, as he has been each year we have missed the tourney. I would love to be wrong, but from discussions I have witnessed among high school, AAU and some college coaches, no one will be breaking down the door to get this job unless it is a relative risk at someone younger. We are not getting an experienced winner so if that is the direction we want to take regardless of the loss of our more talented younger players and potential recruits, then so be it.
 
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we have no choice but to dump the chump. if we have to take more lumps without FM then so be it but we cannot continue to accept the insanity.
 

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As with football (Napier, etc..), we will see that this will not play out well for the new coaching search. More people support Frank Martin as a coach than they recognize SC as a good basketball job. Some, other than us fans, think Martin has worked miracles in our league to be above the lower third. If and when he is out, he will be on TV amongst some of these basketball talking heads that control the narrative, as he has been each year we have missed the tourney. I would love to be wrong, but from discussions I have witnessed among high school, AAU and some college coaches, no one will be breaking down the door to get this job unless it is a relative risk at someone younger. We are not getting an experienced winner so if that is the direction we want to take regardless of the loss of our more talented younger players and potential recruits, then so be it.
In summary:
Be satisfied with the current situation, since this is the best we can hope to achieve.
 

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Only problem with these numbers is that it is not 10 seasons, but 9 as there was no tournament two years ago so in 9 years they have 5 non losing seasons in conference and 4 losing records in that time span. The interesting question is that Frank Martin is a national brand and with what he took over, how would our firing him be played out across the national media. right now with the record of this team versus when he came here and Tenn. State was beating us by double digits at home. I suspect, we will be portrayed as delusional fanbase thus hurting our chance of hiring any decent coach and thus having us pick some reach that will be ridiculed by the same national media. We will also most definitely lose some of our best assets, in Freshmen Carter, and Woodley as coaches, most likely in our league will try and successfully poach them through the transfer portal. Also, GG Jackson, if their was any possibility of getting him, would be off the table. So we are faced with either giving Frank his last year, or firing him and most likely definitely looking at a new 4 year drought with no chance of post season.
Here's a little perspective on SC basketball and the NCAA tournament.

SC tournament appearances starting with McGuire's last tournament.

1974 - McGuire
1989 - Felton
1997 - Fogler
1998 - Fogler
2004 - Odom
2017 - Martin

That's 15 years between McGuire's last tournament team and Felton's tournament team.

Then there is an 8 year drought between Felton and Fogler.

Next is a 6 year drought between Fogler's second NCAA in a row and Dave Odom's single NCAA appearance.

Finally, there is a 13 year drought between Odom's single NCAA tournament and Martin's FF.

If we somehow made it this year or next year we would be above average for the school and it would the shortest drought of tournament appearances since Fogler's back to back appearances.
 

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It certainly seems like the Frankbots and Frank himself have decided 1 NCAA in ten years is a good deal for us and we better accept it.

I can't say I agree, and I hope we don't. We need a new, young and classy- on and off the court-coach who understands kids now.

And by the way...when you look at our finish in the SEC don't forget to check power ratings. This year we are 4 or five slots lower than our w/l record. That's what matters now, but the Frank crowd ignores that.
 

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The antithesis of people like Spurrier and Patton. Too afraid to take on the challenge because it’s easier to make excuses. They prefer playing the occasional spoiler.
 

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Here's a little perspective on SC basketball and the NCAA tournament.

SC tournament appearances starting with McGuire's last tournament.

1974 - McGuire
1989 - Felton
1997 - Fogler
1998 - Fogler
2004 - Odom
2017 - Martin

That's 15 years between McGuire's last tournament team and Felton's tournament team.

Then there is an 8 year drought between Felton and Fogler.

Next is a 6 year drought between Fogler's second NCAA in a row and Dave Odom's single NCAA appearance.

Finally, there is a 13 year drought between Odom's single NCAA tournament and Martin's FF.

If we somehow made it this year or next year we would be above average for the school and it would the shortest drought of tournament appearances since Fogler's back to back appearances.

We are not making the tournament this year. Done deal.

What gives you any reason to think we could make it next year?
 

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We are not making the tournament this year. Done deal.

What gives you any reason to think we could make it next year?
Lets see how tonight plays out. Win 2 in the SECT and that might change. Next year hinges on what GG does, the returning players and the portal.
 

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Better than the previous 10 season haha
But is that the standard we want? WBB was terrible for much of the ten seasons before Dawn Staley arrived. Same with Tanner for baseball and they both won championships. If our only goal is to be better than terrible then we have only mediocrity to look forward to. I know you were saying it tongue in cheek but many point to that as justification not to aspire to greatness.
 

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Quick comparison: Bruce Weber is stepping down from K State after having led the Wildcats to the NCAAT 5 times in 10 seasons.
 

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But is that the standard we want? WBB was terrible for much of the ten seasons before Dawn Staley arrived. Same with Tanner for baseball and they both won championships. If our only goal is to be better than terrible then we have only mediocrity to look forward to. I know you were saying it tongue in cheek but many point to that as justification not to aspire to greatness.
For right now I think a lot of people would settle for being good enough to make the tourney on a consistent basis.
 
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