Couldn't have said it better. You are so correct. I mean if we lose a game and we layed it all on the line you can't be upset because they gave it all they had. Just congratulate the other team because in this game they were the better team. But we look like we don't know what is going on. I mean I don't know if we could miss this many shots if we try to miss.
BBN Civil War
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The problem is Mitch. Let’s be honest, Pope shouldn’t have been hired. He didnt have the resume to get this job and if he wasn’t an ex uk player everyone would have been angry over it. When Mitch seen fans weren’t buying it at first he used the media and old players to persuade people and it worked. I’m one of those people that fell for it and idc to admit it.
They had that covered by the first TV timeout. No one expected that.
Yea this ain’t a civil war. If someone wants to sustain this and thinks it’ll be fine, they’re in a vast, vast minority. Worse than Calipari’s last year. I’d say that was about 80% gotta go by the middle of the season. This looks more like 95% fire at least 3 people now.
it’s amazing to me that we actually have any fans at all that would have brought Calipari back and are fine with bringing Pope back and encourage it. I don’t think these are UK fans, that 5%. Probably half trolls, the other 2.5% aren’t really fans, or weren’t raised in it. And to me, if you weren’t raised in it, or didn’t go to UK at all, you’re not a real fan of UK. UK is a special fanbase you have to be connected to it, it’s very close to the St. Louis Cardinals type of base or the Kansas City Chiefs. Neither are bandwagon bases. You have to grow in it from birth. So ignore those posters.
Duke, UNC, Cowboys, Yankees / Dodgers / Alabama.
bandwagon fanbases. UK STL KCC, even Kansas, these are “from birth bases”. I leave a window open if you attended UK but weren’t raised in it and became a fan. They can count other than them no if you weren’t raised in it and your family aren’t UK. I think those are the other half of “it’s fine” people. They really don’t care because they aren’t legitimate BBN.
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A bigger problem is that some fans, possibly including you, see what's happening and write it off as just being due to 2 injured players and "only 10 games into the season" lol. Do you REALLY think that's the only problem? Fans that have blue tinted blinders on at a time like this are what Mitch counts on.
Would we have been better off getting rid of Cal 5 years ago when it was becoming obvious a change was needed, or in 2023 after hoping things would change and they didn't? Did those last few years of losing in the first round to StP and Oakland help in any way? When you find yourself in a hole: STOP DIGGING
I don’t really see the split that you do . IMO the fanbase is about as United as it has been since 2010-2015.
Nah, it's there. It may not be a great schism yet but there's a crack for sure.
You know why you don’t hear it? Because being 5.5 underdogs is not the same as being blown off the court by the 10 min mark. What an odd piece of evidence to defend that mess we saw.
Thank you very much.
Like defending a dude stealing your whole pizza when he was only supposed to take a slice.
Honestly, yes there is a civil war among fans and it’s entirely unnecessary. Don’t know why people have to be extremely angry if someone has a different opinion. That Johnny Green account is just expressing a different opinion and look at the replies. Admittedly, that account has been considered potentially a troll from other posts, but what they said in that particular post isn’t attacking anyone, being rude to anyone or anything —- literally just explaining the viewpoint of someone who views last year as context for not firing the coach yet. Nobody in BBN or either side lost the ball games and everyone is angry about the losses. It’d be nice if we could start there. So few people even trying to understand the other
THIS is what makes others see our fanbase as embarrassing. If you choose to disagree or even push back some with those holding pitchforks, they call you a troll. Just embarrassing and laughable.
Just left mass. Old men approached me and shook my hand while leaving church and leaned in and said, Pope needs to resign before the next game. I agreed. The old timers have no patience for this sort of thing. It’s the gen z, everybody gets a trophy crowd that thinks everything is sunshine and rainbows and thinks we just need patience. My father, rest his soul, literally broke our TV during the 92 Duke game. He is probably turning in his grave. UK fans don’t expect perfection, but effort and attitude is a must.
Understood. Do you think it might at least benefit you to understand the other side rather than just assuming it has something to do with participation trophies? This is the issue I see —- BBN on BBN all-out assault with no ear lent if you don’t hold the majority opinion.
I don’t know, I’ve seen some of his post and to me it seems trollish. Just too extreme given the circumstances. Bring him back regardless, it’s just injuries, when the team gets back they’ll be fine. There were some more that were just too over the top for the situation. Usually around here those are trolls.
As of this moment Kentucky is in a spiral, if nothing else the administration must have regime change. Kentucky doesn’t do this, having our resources and being a blue blood this just doesn’t happen. It’s bad enough that any fan should by now see a change must be in order. We’re going to lose our standing and it’s going to take a great to get it back. We can’t allow this. If it’s allowed, we cease to be Kentucky.
100%. I'm gonna laugh my *** off when we get healthy and turn this thing around and all the folks who quit on the coach and team start pretending it never happened.
I agree with everything you said, but dude, trust me. If people even get a whiff that you’re supporting or haven’t completely given up on the coach, you’re an abomination, stupid, etc. Look at the original posts in this thread. I think you know that there are people skeptical about hitting the red button immediately and have logical reasons to do so. It shouldn’t be like that. I’ve expressed the view, for example, that I don’t like booing —- I think it hurts the program in the future. I’m not crying if others have the opposite view. I’ve been called names, angry rants, all this personal stuff over that. The thing is we are all fans of the same team and that stuff can be solved simply by understanding someone even if you don’t agree.
There is losing and there is getting blown out. We have been embarrassed in 3 high profile games. Can’t take much more of this.
1. UofL we were about as fully heathy as we can get- not sure JQ makes a difference
2. Lowe played last night for a bit. You think JQ makes up a THIRTY-FIVE point gap?
I would totally welcome a rational discussion about why Pope was hired, why he is qualified, his previous successes. I would also like to understand the loyalty to him just because he was a player here. Just because Mitch says he is the best for the job, doesn’t earn my unwavering loyalty. Mitch has proven more than not that he can’t hire effectively. I’m not going to be loyal to Pope just because he is a good guy and be fine with finishing mid pack in the SEC. That isn’t UK basketball and never will be.
If an injury derails your whole season then you did not construct the construct the roster correctly. Last year we had injuries and didn't look like this.
I don’t defend hiring him. Didn’t defend it at the time either. I believe every argument that he didn’t have the resume are correct.
Once he got here, I think it’s fair to believe he exceeded expectations in year one. I’m not saying it was good by Kentucky standards, but I do believe it was a good body of work considering what he had to deal with. Then, this season it has went south and fast. Any fan who feels this man is not equipped to be the coach is fair —- I’m there myself. But — we also can fairly acknowledge that this year looks nothing like this year and we haven’t seen the full tool belt. Do I expect us to be 35 points better with JQ? No, I absolutely do not. I also do think Pope has lost the team. I understand why fans are concerned that letting him go this soon into year 2 will hurt our program.
On one side, you have people saying that losing is hurting our program and that’s absolutely correct. But there’s another dynamic to this. When Cal left, I was on KSBoard at that time. I can’t speak for here but I can definitely speak for there —- we all were sure we would be able to land a Cal-level replacement. I was one of the more outspoken about the need to move on from Cap because the game has passed him by. We didn’t get a Cal-level replacement. I don’t want to have a debate about why we didn’t cause I don’t think we can find common ground there. So I’m not asking anyone to agree, just to understand. We landed a far inferior coach resume-wise and we do have a negative reputation in some respects whether fair or foul. We assume we can just go get a top name, but we didn’t last time and that’s before we cut the cord a year and a half into the next coaching tenure. There isn’t an easy decision either way in my mind. The whole point for me is…can’t you see the perspective of that without it being hostile? Does my post demand that I am stupid or a troll? Or can reasonable minds have a different way of looking at this situation? Watched a podcast last night of all Kentucky fans having this same conversation. They didn’t think it was firing time just yet, but acknowledged a failure to turn things around soon would mean it’s time. Is every person on that podcast dumb? Do they care less about the program? I think those extremes aren’t necessary, since ultimately the small voice of fans that have this view aren’t going to affect what the Athletic Department does anyway. TLDR can’t we just get along?
I just don't get it. Last year he was making adjustments every TV timeout and at Halftime and it seems like he's not even trying this year. The behind the scense must be a soap opera and he seems defeated.
80 percent of Rupp Rafters maybe. That is a different breed of fan.
You are a fake fan when when you bad mouth a player or Coach a few games into a second year for a 5 year contract
The fans who have been boing the last couple games must be a different breed as well.
People could tolerate it a lot more if they were giving maximum effort. BBN is pissed because it’s obvious they aren’t and don’t seem to be embarrassed by the a$$ whipping a they have got.
Wouldn't doubt that Mitch is putting out social media propaganda vua PR firms. When people started complaining about Joker......"bad fans" became a talking point. When people started complaining about Calipari....."bad fans" became a talking point. When people started complaining against Stoops....."bad fans,"....and now Pope...."bad fans."
I think the fact that no one wanted to reply to what I said kind of tells the story. The thread was about how awful the people are who are antagonizing those who want to fire Pope, yet those same people do that very thing to those who are not yet ready to fire Pope. And literally don’t want any common ground, no conversation, no understanding, no discussion—-just this is the collective mind. Agree or be cast out. Fair enough. Casted out. 
You were a diehard Calboi till the very end. Predictable except I dunno why you're not at the Arky board.
come on people it’s not rocket scienceI'm not sure about this. I don't live in KY, but the 10 or so Kentucky fans that I see on occasion often echo the sentiments I see on here. Not talking specifically about Pope, but just an observation over the years. I just think Kentucky fans in general are more invested than most other fan bases. I actually the this forum is a pretty good measurement of the overall feelings of BBN.
I think our fans have gone nuts.I think the fact that no one wanted to reply to what I said kind of tells the story. The thread was about how awful the people are who are antagonizing those who want to fire Pope, yet those same people do that very thing to those who are not yet ready to fire Pope. And literally don’t want any common ground, no conversation, no understanding, no discussion—-just this is the collective mind. Agree or be cast out. Fair enough. Casted out.
Pope may be in over his head
I'm not throwing in the towel on him early in his second season.
He is coaching a team of guys who don't want to put in the effort. I have no idea why, but I'm not ready to admit he has failed. I'm not sure any coach can succeed in that situation.
I'm going to support him because he is one of our own, he loves this program and he loves this state.
At the end of the year is when to have the discussion on whether he should be given another chance, and I'm convinced he will do what is best for UK. I believe he will not have to be be pushed out, and if he fails, he will be heart broken to doing this to the Kentucky program.
He understands the assignment .
I'm not throwing in the towel on him early in his second season.
He is coaching a team of guys who don't want to put in the effort. I have no idea why, but I'm not ready to admit he has failed. I'm not sure any coach can succeed in that situation.
I'm going to support him because he is one of our own, he loves this program and he loves this state.
At the end of the year is when to have the discussion on whether he should be given another chance, and I'm convinced he will do what is best for UK. I believe he will not have to be be pushed out, and if he fails, he will be heart broken to doing this to the Kentucky program.
He understands the assignment .
JQ and MD are excellent defenders. They would have changed the whole scope of the game. JQ would have made a huge difference vs UL. Such a stupid comment. I dont know bbncal....if we had been at full strength and at home against Louisville, and Mikel Brown Jr had not played, would that have made a big difference??? Ya think???
How do you not remember him from RR? He was a known troll back there.
Have you even bothered to state your case? Why should Pope be retained? Defend that position, I'll hang up and listen.I think the fact that no one wanted to reply to what I said kind of tells the story. The thread was about how awful the people are who are antagonizing those who want to fire Pope, yet those same people do that very thing to those who are not yet ready to fire Pope. And literally don’t want any common ground, no conversation, no understanding, no discussion—-just this is the collective mind. Agree or be cast out. Fair enough. Casted out.