Beamer has made a name for himself with those not on this board

kidrobinski

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I remembered being impressed with Beamer during his first time with us and was disappointed when he left, felt it was a definite loss for the program. The halftime interview during the 2022 Clemson game convinced me he is where he’s supposed to be.
 

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I really don't see how you can complain. some tough loses, but some big wins as well! Does a pretty good job recruiting, has killed the portal and has put together one of the best staffs we've ever had, has made sure they are paid and retains them. Plus, he's likeable and loves the University and loves living in Columbia!
 

18IsTheMan

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I don't disagree. I think Beamer is doing as well as he could possibly be expected to be doing.

I don't think the article's justification...most wins in 4 years...is the strongest, since that's a pretty low bar here. I think Muschamp had the most wins through 3 seasons. But, I agree, Beamer is doing well.
 

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I don't disagree. I think Beamer is doing as well as he could possibly be expected to be doing.

I don't think the article's justification...most wins in 4 years...is the strongest, since that's a pretty low bar here. I think Muschamp had the most wins through 3 seasons. But, I agree, Beamer is doing well.

Oh yeah, I remember that "most wins in 3 years" thing being thrown around a lot.

Beamer had a great year last year that should stave of complaints for at least this year. But he also preceded that with a losing season. A fall this year swings the talk right back against him. A success this year, and he can bury any talk of "fluke".

Anyone who thinks his permanent legacy is set in stone at this point is a little looney.
 
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Oh yeah, I remember that "most wins in 3 years" thing being thrown around a lot.

Beamer had a great year last year that should stave of complaints for at least this year. But he also preceded that with a losing season. A fall this year swings the talk right back against him. A success this year, and he can bury any talk of "fluke".

Anyone who thinks his permanent legacy is set in stone at this point is a little looney.
It certainly comes with the caveat that he has to keep it up and start stringing together good seasons.
 

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He's done pretty good. I take exception with the "almost made the CFP" thing. There was never any chance Carolina was going to be in the CFP. Ranking Beamer above Heupel is a tell that the writer is some internet hack who created his own site and writes his personal opinions.

This season will tell a lot about Beamer. This is year 5, this is his team and his staff, no more blaming Muschamp for anything. I think Beamer is a 7 win coach. He will have seasons better than that and worse than that but I think he will average 7 wins a season.
 
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JC just said we have 4-5 stars on the team, more than we've ever had, and top third in the best conference in the country. Not too shabby!
 

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There's a lot of hype surrounding us this year. Beamer's success rides on how well Sellers plays.

Regarding the team overall, we'll see if we are a "rebuild" team (after losing our OL, DL, LBs, secondary, leading rusher and leading receiver) or a "reload" team. We have more "potential" playmakers on offense than in the past. Everything else is a question mark.

This season will be a sure test of how good his staff is.
 

18IsTheMan

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He's done pretty good. I take exception with the "almost made the CFP" thing. There was never any chance Carolina was going to be in the CFP. Ranking Beamer above Heupel is a tell that the writer is some internet hack who created his own site and writes his personal opinions.
Was surprised about that as well. Heupel has 3 top 25 finishes, 2 in the top 10.
 
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There's a lot of hype surrounding us this year. Beamer's success rides on how well Sellers plays.

Regarding the team overall, we'll see if we are a "rebuild" team (after losing our OL, DL, LBs, secondary, leading rusher and leading receiver) or a "reload" team. We have more "potential" playmakers on offense than in the past. Everything else is a question mark.

This season will be a sure test of how good his staff is.

As it stands, the season is Sellers or bust.

Maybe the D will not have as much of a drop-off as expected. Maybe a RB1 will emerge. Maybe the WRs will step up.

But, as of now, it's Sellers for the season.
 

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There's a lot of hype surrounding us this year. Beamer's success rides on how well Sellers plays.

Regarding the team overall, we'll see if we are a "rebuild" team (after losing our OL, DL, LBs, secondary, leading rusher and leading receiver) or a "reload" team. We have more "potential" playmakers on offense than in the past. Everything else is a question mark.

This season will be a sure test of how good his staff is.

One good thing for us, is with NIL, most teams are rebuilding or reloading almost every year now. Meaning, even when we have to replace so much talent, we're no where near alone in that department.
 
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One good thing for us, is with NIL, most teams are rebuilding or reloading almost every year now. Meaning, even when we have to replace so much talent, we're no where near alone in that department.
That's a reason we need a good season this year. If it doesn't go well, we stand a chance of losing some top talent to the portal. If we stumble to a poor season, the sharks will be circling for the likes of Stewart and other talent on our roster. Sad reality.
 
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Oh yeah, I remember that "most wins in 3 years" thing being thrown around a lot.

Beamer had a great year last year that should stave of complaints for at least this year. But he also preceded that with a losing season. A fall this year swings the talk right back against him. A success this year, and he can bury any talk of "fluke".

Anyone who thinks his permanent legacy is set in stone at this point is a little looney.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone state anything about his permanent legacy except you.

We're living in the present in terms of an evaluation to date.

That's all you can do.
 

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I don't disagree. I think Beamer is doing as well as he could possibly be expected to be doing.

I don't think the article's justification...most wins in 4 years...is the strongest, since that's a pretty low bar here. I think Muschamp had the most wins through 3 seasons. But, I agree, Beamer is doing well.

I think it's very relevant.

A coach's evaluation should be success based on the resources he has to work with.

After 4 season, Beamer has done it as good as any coach we've ever had AND he's dealing with pay-to-play madness plus the fact a player can roll to the portal at will.

That's doing more with less at a pretty good clip.
 

Piscis

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I think it's very relevant.

A coach's evaluation should be success based on the resources he has to work with.

After 4 season, Beamer has done it as good as any coach we've ever had AND he's dealing with pay-to-play madness plus the fact a player can roll to the portal at will.

That's doing more with less at a pretty good clip.
The portal has helped Beamer far more than it has hurt him.

Every coach is dealing with the same NIL environment. Beamer isn't some lone figure standing against powerful forces he does not have access to.

If the evaluation is based on success with the resources available, Clark Lea should be close to the top of the list.
 

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The portal has helped Beamer far more than it has hurt him.

Every coach is dealing with the same NIL environment. Beamer isn't some lone figure standing against powerful forces he does not have access to.

If the evaluation is based on success with the resources available, Clark Lea should be close to the top of the list.

Ridiculous.

The NIL has allowed the "rich" teams to cement their recruiting prowness until the end of time unless we want to crack into our endowment.

There's not going to be the Spurrier recruiting push into the Top 10 unless we get 3-4x more capital to distribute to talent.

And Botman - Just stick with one BOT please.

There's no need to rotate in Piscis BOT when someone is responding to Lurker BOT.
 

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After the 2023 season was a dud, the 2024 season was a pleasant surprise. Shane got the nice extension and raise. Let's just keep progressing. I'll leave the coaches rankings to the pundits.There's probably some sports writer that has Shane ranked in the bottom half but it's all completely meaningless.
 
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18IsTheMan

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After the 2023 season was a dud, the 2024 season was a pleasant surprise. Shane got the nice extension and raise. Let's just keep progressing. I'll leave the coaches rankings to the pundits.There's probably some sports writer that has Shane ranked in the bottom half but it's all completely meaningless.
It is arbitrary to say the least. The ranking in the OP has Beamer ahead of Heupel, Drinkwitz and Kelly.

This CBS ranking has him 8th in the league, behind all 3 of the aforementioned coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...teve-sarkisian-leaps-brian-kelly-among-elite/

This ranking by ON3 has him 9th: https://www.on3.com/news/the-sporting-news-ranks-sec-football-coaches-from-best-to-worst/

Aside from the top 1-2 coaches and the bottom 1-2, it's hard to objectively order the remaining ones.
 

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It is arbitrary to say the least. The ranking in the OP has Beamer ahead of Heupel, Drinkwitz and Kelly.

This CBS ranking has him 8th in the league, behind all 3 of the aforementioned coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...teve-sarkisian-leaps-brian-kelly-among-elite/

This ranking by ON3 has him 9th: https://www.on3.com/news/the-sporting-news-ranks-sec-football-coaches-from-best-to-worst/

Aside from the top 1-2 coaches and the bottom 1-2, it's hard to objectively order the remaining ones.

Agreed, but its fun offseason discussion.

The season starts soon, right? Im losing count of how many sex toys are being thrown at the women's basketball games. We need football to start.
 

kidrobinski

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They love Beamer in Illinois. They wish they could punk him every week.
Bless their hearts; I bet they do. They got their cheese narrowly; if they want to hang their hats on machiavellian methods more power to them. Don’t give two squandolies about Illinois or Goodfella Fatman.
 

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Bless their hearts; I bet they do. They got their cheese narrowly; if they want to hang their hats on machiavellian methods more power to them. Don’t give two squandolies about Illinois or Goodfella Fatman.
My contempt for the opponent exacerbates my bitterness at losing to them. No excuse for that loss - none - zilch - nada.
 

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It is arbitrary to say the least. The ranking in the OP has Beamer ahead of Heupel, Drinkwitz and Kelly.

This CBS ranking has him 8th in the league, behind all 3 of the aforementioned coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...teve-sarkisian-leaps-brian-kelly-among-elite/

This ranking by ON3 has him 9th: https://www.on3.com/news/the-sporting-news-ranks-sec-football-coaches-from-best-to-worst/

Aside from the top 1-2 coaches and the bottom 1-2, it's hard to objectively order the remaining ones.
Good point, I guess as a fan you have to say to yourself how many SEC coached would I rather have running my program, there might be a bunch that are better coaches, but I’m not a fan of many of them! Most of them are either jerks, haven’t proven themselves or are just plain shady! All Around, I think we’ve got it pretty good!
 
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My contempt for the opponent exacerbates my bitterness at losing to them. No excuse for that loss - none - zilch - nada.

Can you elaborate? Stats were almost dead even across the board and they did come in #20 in the country.

My impression was that we didn't have a versatile back to replace Rocket which turned us into a one-dimensional offense.

As a result, Illinois D was able to contain Sellers and forced him to throw it around more than desired.

On defense, we were simply missing key guy and couldn't get the pressure we had throughout the season.

We'll have to see if the staff has been able to fill some of these holes in a few weeks.
 

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Was surprised about that as well. Heupel has 3 top 25 finishes, 2 in the top 10.
Could simply be a reflection of the writer's opinions and expectations of the two programs. Heupel has done well - at a program that is top 15 in the nation in overall wins. Beamer has done not-quite-as-well - at a program that is, well, us.

Imagine, for example, if Beamer had coached at Vandy the last 4 years and achieved identical results. He would, undoubtedly, be universally touted as one of the best coaches in America and probably would have swept all conference and national coach of the year awards last year. In that way, I guess we can take some solace that he isn't #1 on this list.
 

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He's never been an OC or DC. This is all on Ray.
i dont like you lucille ball GIF
 

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Quite a damning assessment, no matter how truthful.

Not really -- This would be true of most programs without the elite resource base.

Not to mention, he's already retired financially several times over if he was fired today.

With the new contract, Beamer has $40mil+ secured just from his work at USC alone.

Another reason to embrace the quirky overenthusiasm because we certainly didn't have that with the last overpaid coach.
 
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Not really -- This would be true of most programs without the elite resource base.

Not to mention, he's already retired financially several times over if he was fired today.

With the new contract, Beamer has $40mil+ secured just from his work at USC alone.

Another reason to embrace the quirky overenthusiasm because we certainly didn't have that with the last overpaid coach.
Yes really.
Unless of course the aspiration is to be medial with a outlier campaign sprinkled about.
 

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Yes really.
Unless of course the aspiration is to be medial with a outlier campaign sprinkled about.

Given the parameters, I'm assuming you would then have to believe that our entire 100+ year history in the sport has been a mismanaged farce and "if we just found the right coach" he would be able to overcome any obvious resource limitations?
 

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Given the parameters, I'm assuming you would then have to believe that our entire 100+ year history in the sport has been a mismanaged farce and "if we just found the right coach" he would be able to overcome any obvious resource limitations?
Argument invalidated.
 
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Argument invalidated.

:)

Risk-adjusted returns (ala Sharpe Ratio) consistently has shown that teams with top-10 recruiting classes (e.g. BAMA, UGA, etc.) achieve high win percentages (0.870+) with low variability (yielding high ratios -- e.g., 2.5-3.0).

At the elite schools, "finding the right coach" is more a function of "don't F this up."

We don't have that luxury -- especially in this NIL environment.