Beamer is a ripoff

[18IsTheMan]

Can't take credit for this, saw it on another board. Thought it was pertinent here.

Muschamp's SEC record at South Carolina was 17-22, a .436 winning percentage, and was fired for it.

Beamer is currently 15-19 in the SEC, a .441 winning percentage.

He needs to go 3-3 in the SEC the rest of the year, which would put him at 18-22 (.450) to finish the year with a better SEC winning percentage than Muschamp. If he goes 2-4 he'll be 17-23 (.425) and have a worse winning percentage than Muschamp.

Gotta say, I didn't realize that. I can't see 3 wins on the SEC schedule. UK is the only one, and I would consider that a tossup. The rest I see as definite losses.

Conventional wisdom says you can't fire Beamer b/c he had 9 wins last season. But Donati didn't hire Beamer and has no connection to him. Donati has only seen bad football since he's been here. Beamer was an emotional hire by Ray. Ray had the personal connection to Beamer, then the connection to all the former players.

I'd love it if Beamer worked out here long term, but if this season goes the way it's looking, it would be interesting to see what Donati would do based on the overall body of work and the product he's seen since he's been here.

 

[SouthernBelly]

I wanted to hire him instead of Muchchamp.

I think there was a good chance he would have been but then UGA came open. So that was good on Tanner’s part, but what seemed to suck was all the rest, at least from the little I know.

The RichRod embarrassment- I didn’t even understand interviewing the guy. It was clear he was no longer the star he was at WV. Many jobs came open after that season, another big name one in addition to the above was Miami. But Tanner had a head start on everyone given when Spurrier resigned and we still wound up with Muschamp.

 

[Piscis]

I just watched the game again and only focused on the OL…. #74 has got to be better or he needs to sit and watch.

The fact he plays lets you know he is better than anyone behind him.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I think there was a good chance he would have been but then UGA came open. So that was good on Tanner’s part, but what seemed to suck was all the rest, at least from the little I know.

The RichRod embarrassment- I didn’t even understand interviewing the guy. It was clear he was no longer the star he was at WV. Many jobs came open after that season, another big name one in addition to the above was Miami. But Tanner had a head start on everyone given when Spurrier resigned and we still wound up with Muschamp.

Georgia fired Richt to keep Smart away from us. I would have hired him immediately. Instead we got Muchchamp.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think there was a good chance he would have been but then UGA came open. So that was good on Tanner’s part, but what seemed to suck was all the rest, at least from the little I know.

The RichRod embarrassment- I didn’t even understand interviewing the guy. It was clear he was no longer the star he was at WV. Many jobs came open after that season, another big name one in addition to the above was Miami. But Tanner had a head start on everyone given when Spurrier resigned and we still wound up with Muschamp.

I have a somewhat different interpretation of the Muschamp hire. It was an awful hire. No argument there.

However, I think at that point in time, it was one of the toughest jobs to sell in America. Think about it. USC had, in succession, chewed up and spit out 2 legendary, HOF, national title winning coaches. We had Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier as back-to-back coaches, which is insane to think about. Both were driven into retirement by this job. Spurrier, in particular, left in disgrace midseason with one of the worst teams we'd fielded.

I don't think any desirable coach wanted to touch this job with a ten foot pole. Spurrier was the hottest hot shot in all of college football and he shuffled away from USC midseason a broken man. If this job could do that to Spurrier, who would even touch it?

 

[sclawman77]

Can't take credit for this, saw it on another board. Thought it was pertinent here.

Muschamp's SEC record at South Carolina was 17-22, a .436 winning percentage, and was fired for it.

Beamer is currently 15-19 in the SEC, a .441 winning percentage.

He needs to go 3-3 in the SEC the rest of the year, which would put him at 18-22 (.450) to finish the year with a better SEC winning percentage than Muschamp. If he goes 2-4 he'll be 17-23 (.425) and have a worse winning percentage than Muschamp.

Very interesting.This will be difficult no doubt

 

[Piscis]

Georgia fired Richt to keep Smart away from us. I would have hired him immediately. Instead we got Muchchamp.

Georgia fired Richt because he had become a coach that would win games on talent alone and was getting blown out when he played good teams. He was never going to get Georgia to the next level and everyone could see it, especially their big donors. Georgia fans were tired of seeing all the teams around them winning championships and Georgia going to mid tier bowls after inexplicable losses during the season.

They had been looking in Smart's direction for years. They had tried to hire Smart as DC in the past but Saban told him not to take the job because if he waited a few years, Georgia would hire him as head coach. Saban knew Richt wasn't ever going to win a national championship because Richt didn't have the focus and determination to do what it took.

Muschamp was a lazy hire. Muschamp was a known entity as a head coach and not in a good way. Tanner could have hired almost anyone and done better.

 

[Piscis]

I have a somewhat different interpretation of the Muschamp hire. It was an awful hire. No argument there.

However, I think at that point in time, it was one of the toughest jobs to sell in America. Think about it. USC had, in succession, chewed up and spit out 2 legendary, HOF, national title winning coaches. We had Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier as back-to-back coaches, which is insane to think about. Both were driven into retirement by this job. Spurrier, in particular, left in disgrace midseason with one of the worst teams we'd fielded.

I don't think any desirable coach wanted to touch this job with a ten foot pole.

It is ironic that Spurrier is still lauded as the best South Carolina coach ever and he probably did more damage to the program than any coach before him. Quitting mid season left the program in total shambles.

 

[sclawman77]

Gotta say, I didn't realize that. I can't see 3 wins on the SEC schedule. UK is the only one, and I would consider that a tossup. The rest I see as definite losses.

Conventional wisdom says you can't fire Beamer b/c he had 9 wins last season. But Donati didn't hire Beamer and has no connection to him. Donati has only seen bad football since he's been here. Beamer was an emotional hire by Ray. Ray had the personal connection to Beamer, then the connection to all the former players.

I'd love it if Beamer worked out here long term, but if this season goes the way it's looking, it would be interesting to see what Donati would do based on the overall body of work and the product he's seen since he's been here.

I still say they'll give Shane a couple seasons after the offseason pay increase/extension. I'd imagine we'd get a ton of national negative press for letting him go one year into his new deal because we had a bad season and with our history of mediocrity. It would probably keep many potential hires away too.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I still say they'll give Shane a couple seasons after the offseason pay increase/extension. I'd imagine we'd get a ton of national negative press for letting him go one year into his new deal because we had a bad season and with our history of mediocrity. It would probably keep many potential hires away too.

Depends on how serious we are.

I don't see the new deal being an obstacle. He would have had 5 years here overall, delivering possibly his worst results in 5 years. That will get you fired from most places. That he would put up such results with a presumable high draft pick at QB adds to the ammo.

 

[Piscis]

I still say they'll give Shane a couple seasons after the offseason pay increase/extension. I'd imagine we'd get a ton of national negative press for letting him go one year into his new deal because we had a bad season and with our history of mediocrity. It would probably keep many potential hires away too.

On the other hand, a year 5 coach that goes 4-8 or 5-7 after starting the season in the top 15 with a Heisman hopeful qb isn't going to inspire a lot of confidence in recruits and will probably have some of the better players heading for the exits. How appealing would the job be if they waited a year or two and there were a couple more under .500 seasons?

The extension and raise were stupid. Keeping him around is throwing good money after bad.

 

[gamecock stock]

The football program paid a huge price for those 2 baseball national championships. A tip of the proverbial hat to Dr. Amiridis for hiring Donati. I believe the football program and the other sports are in good hands with Donati. And the university as a whole is in good hands with Dr. Amiridis.

 

[gamecock stock]

He canned Gary Patterson at TCU even though he'd had a long and successful career there. The program was slipping and he made the tough call. Hired Sonny Dykes and got them to the national title game.

I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll mess around.

What's the payout to buy out Beamer?

Anyone know?

 

[18IsTheMan]

What's the payout to buy out Beamer?

Anyone know?

Only info I can find is a buyout he pays if he leaves.

 

[Piscis]

Only info I can find is a buyout he pays if he leaves.

He isn't going to leave. No one is going to hire him away and that is the only way he would leave.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

He isn't going to leave. No one is going to hire him away and that is the only way he would leave.

I can think of another way.

 

[sclawman77]

On the other hand, a year 5 coach that goes 4-8 or 5-7 after starting the season in the top 15 with a Heisman hopeful qb isn't going to inspire a lot of confidence in recruits and will probably have some of the better players heading for the exits. How appealing would the job be if they waited a year or two and there were a couple more under .500 seasons?

The extension and raise were stupid. Keeping him around is throwing good money after bad.

Valid points. I always felt like Ray had no business being allowed to make the Beamer hire (I said it at the time) after the Muschamp fiasco essentially pushed the program back many years and cost millions.

 

[Piscis]

I can think of another way.

Then, he gets a huge payday. He won't leave on his own.

 

[Lurker123]

Gotta say, I didn't realize that. I can't see 3 wins on the SEC schedule. UK is the only one, and I would consider that a tossup. The rest I see as definite losses.

Conventional wisdom says you can't fire Beamer b/c he had 9 wins last season. But Donati didn't hire Beamer and has no connection to him. Donati has only seen bad football since he's been here. Beamer was an emotional hire by Ray. Ray had the personal connection to Beamer, then the connection to all the former players.

I'd love it if Beamer worked out here long term, but if this season goes the way it's looking, it would be interesting to see what Donati would do based on the overall body of work and the product he's seen since he's been here.

Im in the boat that last year got Shane off the hotseat. I thought this year could put him back on, but that means next year is a deciding year. Jmo

I didn't see a year this year being bad enough to call for his head by the end. But 3 wins? 4?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Then, he gets a huge payday. He won't leave on his own.

Not my money so that won't matter at all to me. I'm only emotionally invested.

 

[Piscis]

Im in the boat that last year got Shane off the hotseat. I thought this year could put him back on, but that means next year is a deciding year. Jmo

I didn't see a year this year being bad enough to call for his head by the end. But 3 wins? 4?

I still think he finds a way to win 5 or 6, he'll find a big upset somewhere and/or beat Clemson. Beating Clemson is probably the worst thing that could happen because that will take some heat off of him and he will be back for a couple more years.

 

[sclawman77]

Depends on how serious we are.

I don't see the new deal being an obstacle. He would have had 5 years here overall, delivering possibly his worst results in 5 years. That will get you fired from most places. That he would put up such results with a presumable high draft pick at QB adds to the ammo.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that sentiment I shared but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the school's feeling as well. I think we'll get into a bowl barely this year (decent chance to beat Clemson) and the heat will briefly be off Shane.

 

[gamecock stock]

I realize this is "crazy talk", but, I'm still not a believer in Alabama and Oklahoma and think we have a shot at our place. I suppose I'm remembering how we played them last year on the road, Florida State destroying Bama this season, and still not convinced about Brent Venables.

 

[gamecock stock]

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that sentiment I shared but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the school's feeling as well. I think we'll get into a bowl barely this year (decent chance to beat Clemson) and the heat will briefly be off Shane.

That's possible. But, during Donati's time at TCU, they finished among the nation's Top 10 three times and in the nation's Top 15 a fourth time. I believe Donati has high expectations and expects results. As I said earlier, Beamer better get his act together and fast. He better not drag his feet and try to BS.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I realize this is "crazy talk", but, I'm still not a believer in Alabama and Oklahoma and think we have a shot at our place. I suppose I'm remembering how we played them last year on the road, Florida State destroying Bama this season, and still not convinced about Brent Venables.

We took a shot at Vanderbilt at home. And missed.

 

[LonesomeRooster]

Probably a bit harder to recruit 4* and 5* to come to Liberty. He could have done so here.

Hugh Freeze did alright there.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Hugh Freeze did alright there.

He landed exactly one 4 star recruit.

 

[sclawman77]

Is Chadford still a coveted coaching name? I'm honestly not very familiar with him but have heard many sing his praises. It looks like hes listed as a potential VT candidate, so I guess he's still a coveted name to some degree.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Is Chadford still a competitive coaching name? I'm honestly not very familiar with him but have heard many sing his praises.

I guess not. His name is Jamey Chadwell.