Beamer needs to start looking at the odds with the offense

[18IsTheMan]

With Teasley being dismissed (2 years too late in my opinion), all eyes will be on Shula. Standard line of thinking is that we can't judge Shula since the OL has been so bad. But let's be realistic. Is there anything we've seen from the offense that makes us think the only thing holding Shula back is the OL? What are the real odds that Shula is a great OC and was just handicapped by the OL? Most likely, he's not a very good OC which was further compounded with bad OL. Beamer has, seemingly grudgingly, addressed half of the problem.

Mark it down: If he retains Shula, it will be to his ultimate demise. I was right to call for Teasley's dismissal after the 2023 season. And I'm right on this.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Beamers demise was sealed in the offseason by retaining Teasley and not getting a real OC.

We will lose the next 4 games, barely beat Coastal, and suffer a bad loss to Clemmons. Beamer is done here. Awful hires cost him his dream job. It is what it is. It sucks for everyone but if you read between the lines of Teasley being let go..... Beamer knows (or at least feels) that he's already on the hot seat... He has to know that. Oh well....

 

[Rob Hawk]

Beamers demise was sealed in the offseason by retaining Teasley and not getting a real OC.

We will lose the next 4 games, barely beat Coastal, and suffer a bad loss to Clemmons. Beamer is done here. Awful hires cost him his dream job. It is what it is. It sucks for everyone but if you read between the lines of Teasley being let go..... Beamer knows (or at least feels) that he's already on the hot seat... He has to know that. Oh well....

When doing the hiring, was it a case of not knowing how to hire? (Beamer) Or is this who he thought was the best he could get?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

When doing the hiring, was it a case of not knowing how to hire? (Beamer) Or is this who he thought was the best he could get?

Real coaches consider him to be a cringy joke.

 

[Piscis]

Hiring a replacement is going to be a monumental struggle. A good OL coach, or OC for that matter, isn't going to want to jump onto a ship that is foundering. Beamer will likely get another season no matter what but anyone with a brain can see this is a program that is limping along and no good coach wants to take a job knowing they would likely be looking for another job in a year or two.

 

[Jonesz2]

Beamers demise was sealed in the offseason by retaining Teasley and not getting a real OC.

We will lose the next 4 games, barely beat Coastal, and suffer a bad loss to Clemmons. Beamer is done here. Awful hires cost him his dream job. It is what it is. It sucks for everyone but if you read between the lines of Teasley being let go..... Beamer knows (or at least feels) that he's already on the hot seat... He has to know that. Oh well....

He can go after the top coaches. They know he is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[atlanta cock#]

With Teasley being dismissed (2 years too late in my opinion), all eyes will be on Shula. Standard line of thinking is that we can't judge Shula since the OL has been so bad. But let's be realistic. Is there anything we've seen from the offense that makes us think the only thing holding Shula back is the OL? What are the real odds that Shula is a great OC and was just handicapped by the OL? Most likely, he's not a very good OC which was further compounded with bad OL. Beamer has, seemingly grudgingly, addressed half of the problem.

Mark it down: If he retains Shula, it will be to his ultimate demise. I was right to call for Teasley's dismissal after the 2023 season. And I'm right on this.

I'm not holding my breath. I remember people saying Tanner's tenure was tied to Muschamp.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Real coaches consider him to be a cringy joke.

No opponents fear Beamer.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The question for Beamer: are you willing to stake likely your entire P4 head coaching career on Mike Shula? If he's canned here, no other P4 program will look at him. His OC in 2025 will be the last chance he gets to get it right.

At some point Beamer needs to start making coaching moves like he's fighting for his career.

Even if he thinks Shula isn't at fault for the offense, does he think Shula is THAT good that he's willing risk his entire career on him?

 

[SouthernBelly]

Never tell me the odds.

 

[cockyferg]

Beamers demise was sealed in the offseason by retaining Teasley and not getting a real OC.

We will lose the next 4 games, barely beat Coastal, and suffer a bad loss to Clemmons. Beamer is done here. Awful hires cost him his dream job. It is what it is. It sucks for everyone but if you read between the lines of Teasley being let go..... Beamer knows (or at least feels) that he's already on the hot seat... He has to know that. Oh well....

The thing is, if he gets fired here, I'd be surprised he'd get another coaching job in Div 1 football. He's never been a coordinator, and I don't know if he's even good enough to be a position coach anywhere. He better get it together soon or he'll have a hard time finding a coaching job.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

He better get it together soon or he'll have a hard time finding a coaching job.

He won't need another coaching job.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

The thing is, if he gets fired here, I'd be surprised he'd get another coaching job in Div 1 football. He's never been a coordinator, and I don't know if he's even good enough to be a position coach anywhere. He better get it together soon or he'll have a hard time finding a coaching job.

He's rich beyond his wildest dreams. He really should have a portrait of Ray-Ray hanging on his wall. And I mean a LARGE portrait. With lighting.

 

[Skuddy]

You guys wishing for "Beams" firing are probably not going to like what you end up with. I have been watching this cluster F we call a football program for 50 years and the most likely outcome is just a repeat of what we are getting now. My prediction is we try to hire the up-and-coming guru, but he uses us as leverage to get his dream job at a traditional powerhouse. Then, we convince Mike Gundy to give it a go here but fire him after 5 mediocre years.

Meanwhile, Dabo hires "Beams" as his special teams coordinator and he wreaks havoc on us for the next 10 years and 2 head coaches.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

You guys wishing for "Beams" firing are probably not going to like what you end up with. I have been watching this cluster F we call a football program for 50 years and the most likely outcome is just a repeat of what we are getting now. My prediction is we try to hire the up-and-coming guru, but he uses us as leverage to get his dream job at a traditional powerhouse. Then, we convince Mike Gundy to give it a go here but fire him after 5 mediocre years.

Meanwhile, Dabo hires "Beams" as his special teams coordinator and he wreaks havoc on us for the next 10 years and 2 head coaches.

I don't anticipate that happening. But I realize that I'm a different kind of "fan" than a lot of posters here. I can not accept mediocrity. In fact, mediocre fans have instructed me to find another team to pull for. If it's that easy to them then I can understand why they don't really care all that much. They are actually uncomfortable around fans that give a S.

 

[Lurker123]

You guys wishing for "Beams" firing are probably not going to like what you end up with. I have been watching this cluster F we call a football program for 50 years and the most likely outcome is just a repeat of what we are getting now. My prediction is we try to hire the up-and-coming guru, but he uses us as leverage to get his dream job at a traditional powerhouse. Then, we convince Mike Gundy to give it a go here but fire him after 5 mediocre years.

Meanwhile, Dabo hires "Beams" as his special teams coordinator and he wreaks havoc on us for the next 10 years and 2 head coaches.

Probably true. The only positive would be that if a guy used us to get a job at another school, he probably did a pretty good job here while he was here. That would be nice.

What's sad is that if we go searching for a new coach, my hopes have been reduced to "at least not a position coach no one else would hire".

 

[Forkcock]

You guys wishing for "Beams" firing are probably not going to like what you end up with. I have been watching this cluster F we call a football program for 50 years and the most likely outcome is just a repeat of what we are getting now. My prediction is we try to hire the up-and-coming guru, but he uses us as leverage to get his dream job at a traditional powerhouse. Then, we convince Mike Gundy to give it a go here but fire him after 5 mediocre years.

Meanwhile, Dabo hires "Beams" as his special teams coordinator and he wreaks havoc on us for the next 10 years and 2 head coaches.

As a diehard since 1968, I have seen what you have.

 

[gamecock stock]

We copied Arkansas approach, from a year earlier, in hiring Beamer. It's still incredible for me to believe that the BOT and Tanner took the lazy road. Rather than doing their homework on what has worked for Carolina football in the past, they decided to go by what some ex-players thought and hire a nepo baby who never had done anything remarkable in his coaching career. smh

 

[18IsTheMan]

We copied Arkansas approach, from a year earlier, in hiring Beamer. It's still incredible for me to believe that the BOT and Tanner took the lazy road. Rather than doing their homework on what has worked for Carolina football in the past, they decided to go by what some ex-players thought and hire a nepo baby who never had done anything remarkable in his coaching career. smh

What do you think the odds are PSU will look at a position coach for their next head coach?

 

[Piscis]

We copied Arkansas approach, from a year earlier, in hiring Beamer. It's still incredible for me to believe that the BOT and Tanner took the lazy road. Rather than doing their homework on what has worked for Carolina football in the past, they decided to go by what some ex-players thought and hire a nepo baby who never had done anything remarkable in his coaching career. smh

Look how it worked out for Arkansas. Pittman was an Arkansas guy who had been a great OL coach at UGA. I guess Arkansas thought Pittman had learned from Kirby how to be a head coach. I guess the BOT and Tanner thought Beamer might have picked up something from Riley at OK.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Look how it worked out for Arkansas. Pittman was an Arkansas guy who had been a great OL coach at UGA. I guess Arkansas thought Pittman had learned from Kirby how to be a head coach. I guess the BOT and Tanner thought Beamer might have picked up something from Riley at OK.

Pittman had at least distinguished himself as an elite position coach. Beamer had coached S, RB, WR, OLB, CB, ST and TE, not distinguishing himself at any position.

 

[Piscis]

Pittman had at least distinguished himself as an elite position coach. Beamer had coached S, RB, WR, OLB, CB, ST and TE, not distinguishing himself at any position.

I think Kirby liked him as ST coach at UGA as far as his knowledge and the UGA special teams did improve greatly under him. I did hear that Kirby encouraged Beamer to leave, or wasn't particularly upset when he did leave, because Beamer didn't want to put in the hours and effort Kirby expects from assistants. At OK, he was called "assistant head coach", whatever that means.

 

[gamecock stock]

Pittman had at least distinguished himself as an elite position coach. Beamer had coached S, RB, WR, OLB, CB, ST and TE, not distinguishing himself at any position.

True. But his old man is a legend.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think Kirby liked him as ST coach at UGA as far as his knowledge and the UGA special teams did improve greatly under him. I did hear that Kirby encouraged Beamer to leave, or wasn't particularly upset when he did leave, because Beamer didn't want to put in the hours and effort Kirby expects from assistants. At OK, he was called "assistant head coach", whatever that means.

It makes me wonder what skillset it actually takes to be an assistant coach. There's no way one man is really gifted in coaching all of those positions.

 

[Piscis]

It makes me wonder what skillset it actually takes to be an assistant coach. There's no way one man is really gifted in coaching all of those positions.

Yeah, Muschamp was always a defensive coach, he never coached a bunch of other positions on offense or special teams.

 

[Lurker123]

At OK, he was called "assistant head coach", whatever that means.

On that OU staff, it was shown that a lot of position coaches were also given extra titles.

 

[Piscis]

On that OU staff, it was shown that a lot of position coaches were also given extra titles.

It must have been like working at a bank. I think in banking there are only a handful of job titles, teller, customer service representative, Associate Vice President, Executive Vice President and President.

 

[Lurker123]

It must have been like working at a bank. I think in banking there are only a handful of job titles, teller, customer service representative, Associate Vice President, Executive Vice President and President.

Going off memory, but this was a topic when Beamer was hired.

Out of like 10 staff positions, 7 or 8 of them were a coordinator or assistant/associate head coach.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

When doing the hiring, was it a case of not knowing how to hire? (Beamer) Or is this who he thought was the best he could get?

My honest to God opinion is that Beamer has a bad, bad case of "living in Daddies shadow" .....

It's an ego problem and he doesn't want to hire any coach that might show him up. So, he hires coaches from schools like the Central Northwestern Panamanian Community College for the Blind, with very little coaching experience.

Simply put, that ain't gonna cut it in the SEC when you're already (barely) a mid-tier team. He needs to be hiring the best of the best of the best....and he can do that with $$$$. - People say coaches won't come here. That is flat out wrong. The old saying "money talks" is very true. We'll have to pay more than other schools would have to pay, but they will come.

 

[Piscis]

My honest to God opinion is that Beamer has a bad, bad case of "living in Daddies shadow" .....

It's an ego problem and he doesn't want to hire any coach that might show him up. So, he hires coaches from schools like the Central Northwestern Panamanian Community College for the Blind, with very little coaching experience.

Simply put, that ain't gonna cut it in the SEC when you're already (barely) a mid-tier team. He needs to be hiring the best of the best of the best....and he can do that with $$$$. - People say coaches won't come here. That is flat out wrong. The old saying "money talks" is very true. We'll have to pay more than other schools would have to pay, but they will come.

I have to disagree about the coaches will come if we pay them thing. Unless we pay them absurd amounts of money, which we really don't have, top coaches are not going to leave a good job, uproot family and move to a mediocre program where the coach is on thin ice.

Maybe a coach trying to do some career rehab after getting fired for some scandal would come here to show he still had value at an SEC program.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Unless we pay them absurd amounts of money,

Which is exactly what we should do. It's what Dabo did to get Venables from OU, and that was the beginning of their great run.

Offer a top OC 5 years, $20 million fully guaranteed.

 

[Piscis]

Which is exactly what we should do. It's what Dabo did to get Venables from OU, and that was the beginning of their great run.

Offer a top OC 5 years, $20 million fully guaranteed.

Again, the coach being on thin ice changes the dynamic completely. Dabo was not in any sort of trouble at all when he went after Venables.

Also, at the time, Clemson was loaded with talent. They had stacked top 5 recruiting classes over the past few years so Venables knew he had talent to work with. A top OC would look at the roster at Carolina and know he would be starting at zero.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Again, the coach being on thin ice changes the dynamic completely. Dabo was not in any sort of trouble at all when he went after Venables.

Also, at the time, Clemson was loaded with talent. They had stacked top 5 recruiting classes over the past few years so Venables knew he had talent to work with. A top OC would look at the roster at Carolina and know he would be starting at zero.

I'd say start at the top and hit up every top OC college football. $4 million/year doubles the highest paid OC salary right now. $20 million guaranteed is nothing to sneeze at.

Obviously we'd never do anything like this. We'd hire some random WR or TE coach nobody's heard of.

I think there's also a desire for coordinators to work with great coaches. Guys lined up to work for Saban and do line up to work for Kirby or Day or Lanning. Those top guys want to work for elite coaches they feel they can learn from. Not to be mean, but what is any top OC going to learn from Beamer? That' a hurdle that can't be overcome.

 

[Lurker123]

Again, the coach being on thin ice changes the dynamic completely. Dabo was not in any sort of trouble at all when he went after Venables.

This.

If Beamer salvage this year, we can sell revamping the offense and bringing in someone good.

If the program tanks this year, you'd be asking a guy to take a big chance on what could be a final year of a staff.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Again, the coach being on thin ice changes the dynamic completely. Dabo was not in any sort of trouble at all when he went after Venables.

Also, at the time, Clemson was loaded with talent. They had stacked top 5 recruiting classes over the past few years so Venables knew he had talent to work with. A top OC would look at the roster at Carolina and know he would be starting at zero.

Fair point.