Beaver Stadium Proposal:

BobPSU92

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They can get construction guaranteed maximum price contracts. Key is to know your contractors exceptionally well. specifications need to bein excruciating detail to prevent corners from being cut, use of inferior materials, etc. Typically these contracts do not cover unforeseen conditions or change orders (what constitutes a change order? See knowing you contractor very well). Contract also specifies how any savings below the guarantee are shared.

So, PSU’s got this?
 

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But many people didn't have a problem with a new museum. Or maybe a museum helps support the land grant mission in some way.

Many folks here did and still do. o_O

Of course, the new museum cost a lot less than the forthcoming stadium renovation. Also, some people are more inclined to complain about spending on athletics than academics (or something somewhat tied to academics).
 

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Many folks here did and still do. o_O

Of course, the new museum cost a lot less than the forthcoming stadium renovation. Also, some people are more inclined to complain about spending on athletics than academics (or something somewhat tied to academics).
FWIW: Among members of the Board at least, there were more who spoke out against the $80 million (really, when all was said and done, $120 million) for the Barron Museum than there were who spoke out against the $700 million bit.
 

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FWIW: Among members of the Board at least, there were more who spoke out against the $80 million (really, when all was said and done, $120 million) for the Barron Museum than there were who spoke out against the $700 million bit.

Interesting, but not surprising. I was “speaking” in general terms with my prior post.

I guess many of the trustees see football as where PSU’s bread is buttered. They can’t go against football. Too popular, too much money at stake.
 
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Many folks here did and still do. o_O

Of course, the new museum cost a lot less than the forthcoming stadium renovation. Also, some people are more inclined to complain about spending on athletics than academics (or something somewhat tied to academics).
The guy asking the question of Short acknowledged no money would be diverted from academics. His point of contention was the "mixed message" of spending on athletics since they don't contribute to the land grant mission. The same logic can be applied to the museum.

And yes, people on this board ridiculed the building of the museum. Other than that, not many people seemed to question it.
 

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The guy asking the question of Short acknowledged no money would be diverted from academics. His point of contention was the "mixed message" of spending on athletics since they don't contribute to the land grant mission. The same logic can be applied to the museum.

And yes, people on this board ridiculed the building of the museum. Other than that, not many people seemed to question it.

It is fair to question the need for a new museum at the tune of $85 MM. Even though academics will not be affected by the stadium expansion, it can certainly be argued that it is a bad look (OPTICS. o_O ) for a school announcing layoffs in academics and the potential closing of campuses to be spending $700 MM on football. Of course, the devil is in the details as it relates to the satellite campuses, but a lot of people don’t delve into details.
 

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Many folks here did and still do. o_O

Of course, the new museum cost a lot less than the forthcoming stadium renovation. Also, some people are more inclined to complain about spending on athletics than academics (or something somewhat tied to academics).
I'm not sure how football is tied to academics. For me it was a part of the college experience that I enjoyed but it had very little to do with what I learned to help me prepare for a career.
 

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I'm not sure how football is tied to academics. For me it was a part of the college experience that I enjoyed but it had very little to do with what I learned to help me prepare for a career.

Think he's saying the museum is tied to academics.
 
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The guy asking the question of Short acknowledged no money would be diverted from academics. His point of contention was the "mixed message" of spending on athletics since they don't contribute to the land grant mission. The same logic can be applied to the museum.

Financial boondoggle or not, a case could be made that maintaining an art museum fits with the purpose of the Land Grants.

without excluding other scientific and classical studies and including military tactic, to teach such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts, in such manner as the legislatures of the States may respectively prescribe, in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes in the several pursuits and professions in life.

Does football fall under "industrial classes in the several pursuits and professions in life?"
 

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I Dream Of Jeannie Popcorn GIF

Riveting....
 

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I don’t think it’s a bad idea per se - just wondering if new build wasn’t the better option.
I think they're in a tough spot and afraid of alienating the traditionalists and long time ticket holders(donors). I'd be all for it if they could build a brand new stadium that holds 85,000 for $700 mm. There's certainly room enough to build while still playing in Beav.
 
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I don’t think it’s a bad idea per se - just wondering if new build wasn’t the better option.
Sorry if already asked and answered: is there any sort of consensus on how much a new build would cost?
 
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Sorry if already asked and answered: is there any sort of consensus on how much a new build would cost?
Here's one that currently being built and it lists other new stadium price tags. Of course, they are NFL stadiums but I'm not sure a college stadium would be much different.

 
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If PSU were to build a new stadium, it would have to cost much more than $700 MM. If you’re going to start from scratch, then you need to include a pool, amusement park, shopping mall, casino, restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for starters.
 
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If PSU were to build a new stadium, it would have to cost much more than $700 MM. If you’re going to start from scratch, then you need to include a winterized pool, amusement park, shopping mall, casino, restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for starters.
Fixed.
 
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If PSU were to build a new stadium, it would have to cost much more than $700 MM. If you’re going to start from scratch, then you need to include a pool, amusement park, shopping mall, casino, restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for starters.
The rest of that stuff is on tap for Phase II of the project. Didn't Schuy King drop you the memo?
 
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If PSU were to build a new stadium, it would have to cost much more than $700 MM. If you’re going to start from scratch, then you need to include a pool, amusement park, shopping mall, casino, restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for starters.
I assume the scone dispensary would be part of the coffee shop space?
 
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After a year on BWI, I finally found the secret basement where the village idiots hang out.

Barry & Tony and the rest of the merry band of fools are a complete embarrassment to the BOT and the entire Penn State community.

Get this through your thick heads: they are never going to name it Joe Paterno Field or anything like that. It's not going to happen. Stop trying to hold the university hostage for your idiotic crusade.

Going further, they should take Tony's name off that baseball stadium until he actually pays what he owes for it.

I really wonder if you guys understand how everyone with more than 3 brain cells to rub together openly laugh at you and mock you. The rest of your board members, the Administration, and the fans mock you for making complete fools of yourselves time and again.

Just go away. Find some hole to crawl back into where you can entertain each other and the rest of us will be spared from your idiocy.

It's exhausting - GO AWAY!
 

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Honestly, who would want to run for an Alumni seat? I think the best candidates quit trying when they saw those elected were repeatedly treated like clowns and could do nothing about it. So now you get name recognition candidates that apparently don't mind voting yes or are ok taking a beating at meetings after being kept in the dark regarding executive sessions.
Or don't go at all....
 

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I don’t think it’s a bad idea per se - just wondering if new build wasn’t the better option.
Therein lies one of the problems. A complete new stadium should have been one of the options presented, but it's not clear that any were considered. But that option is moot; PSU can't afford it.
 
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Therein lies one of the problems. A complete new stadium should have been one of the options presented, but it's not clear that any were considered. But that option is moot; PSU can't afford it.

If they come, we will build it.

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kgilbert78

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Oh ro, stop being a drama queen. gilbert asked a very interesting question that piqued my interest about the Beaver being constructed similar to an erector set and not concrete/masonry producing a heavier footprint.
IIRC, I remember mention of the area having limestone deposits which enhances trout stream fishing.
I really don't believe it would take a nerd to perform a simpleton's activity as interperting soil information, cut & paste the findings.
That same limestone/cavern story was given for the way Hammond Building was built back in my day (late 70s) as the story was that it originally was planned to be 9 stories, and they just de-stacked it.
 
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That same limestone/cavern story was given for the way Hammond Building was built back in my day (late 70s) as the story was that it originally was planned to be 9 stories, and they just de-stacked it.
That story about Hammond being originally designed as a nine-floor building is a local urban myth. The original layout was what you see; it was just a bad design job.
 

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That story about Hammond being originally designed as a nine-floor building is a local urban myth. The original layout was what you see; it was just a bad design job.

Have they burned Hammond down to the ground yet?
 

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After a year on BWI, I finally found the secret basement where the village idiots hang out.

Barry & Tony and the rest of the merry band of fools are a complete embarrassment to the BOT and the entire Penn State community.

Get this through your thick heads: they are never going to name it Joe Paterno Field or anything like that. It's not going to happen. Stop trying to hold the university hostage for your idiotic crusade.

Going further, they should take Tony's name off that baseball stadium until he actually pays what he owes for it.

I really wonder if you guys understand how everyone with more than 3 brain cells to rub together openly laugh at you and mock you. The rest of your board members, the Administration, and the fans mock you for making complete fools of yourselves time and again.

Just go away. Find some hole to crawl back into where you can entertain each other and the rest of us will be spared from your idiocy.

It's exhausting - GO AWAY!
I can’t figure out whether or not they hate James or are obsessed with JVP more.
 
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I can’t figure out whether or not they hate James or are obsessed with JVP more.

If either of you two idiots had an IQ higher than the speed limit outside my local elementary school, you'd realize Barry is perhaps the only one who actually has Penn State's best interest at heart. Barry's never been a "joe pa stadium" guy - he's a fiduciary who doesn't want to spend $700m in this interest rate environment with the quickly changing college football landscape. If you can't handle that, then its probably best you let your mom know you're going to be spending less time in the basement going forward.
 

HappyValley1

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If either of you two idiots had an IQ higher than the speed limit outside my local elementary school, you'd realize Barry is perhaps the only one who actually has Penn State's best interest at heart. Barry's never been a "joe pa stadium" guy - he's a fiduciary who doesn't want to spend $700m in this interest rate environment with the quickly changing college football landscape. If you can't handle that, then it’s probably best you let your mom know you're going to be spending less time in the basement going forward.
He’s in bed with Lubrano and Jay. One of which didn’t meet his financial obligations for the baseball stadium and the other who refused to shake hands with the current coach at the BOT meeting following the Rose Bowl.

Maybe we wouldn’t be in this spot if we acted the last 10-15 years or so, but the solution isn’t to just do nothing or put a bandaid on it. Apologies if that offends you.