Ben Hutch!
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Turned down Tennessee, Tx A&M and Penn State to choose the Cards. This is the kind of recruiting we need. You're judged by the company you keep. We had some pretty good company on that one.
Now if we could have this same success on the O line, we'd be ready to take another step forward. I'm still holding out hope for Telford. Hopefully the staff flipped him this past weekend.
Now if we could have this same success on the O line, we'd be ready to take another step forward. I'm still holding out hope for Telford. Hopefully the staff flipped him this past weekend.
I am with you on Telford, really hoping to snag this guy as well. If we can nab him and CJ Avery I would be very happy.
Also, gotta hold our current commitments in order, don't want anyone wavering on decisions.
Also, gotta hold our current commitments in order, don't want anyone wavering on decisions.
Biggest haul of the class in terms of need other than maybe Colin Wilson. Been waiting for a DT to come aboard for some time.
I thought we couldn't recruit big linemen, esp. that loser Klenakis guy?
This is a DEFENSIVE lineman. Klenakis recruits OFFENSIVE linemen. Look at who Klenakis has signed so far versus this guy. Of the 5 that Klenakis has committed, only ONE had a single P5 school offer (Ga Tech). None of the other 4 even had a P-5 offer.
I thought we'd already covered this...... Lather, rinse, repeat.
And the article mentioned if he did not work out at DT, that his HS coach said he had the potential to be a very good OG. But don't let that get in the way of those with an anti-Klenakis agenda.
Must be wrong. Kratz has told us how closely he follows recruiting.
Maybe that's Coach K's problem...he's on the wrong side of the line.
Focus back on this young man. We welcome you aboard Ben Hutch! Can not wait to see you wrecking havoc along the Defensive Front at the Univ of Louisville. Go Cards!!
Must be wrong. Kratz has told us how closely he follows recruiting.
Maybe that's Coach K's problem...he's on the wrong side of the line.
Whats the point of signing them if youre not going to coach them properly .
Recruiting is half of the job.
Klenakis : Better recruiter than coach ??
I think the point is here's evidence that he can get unfairly criticized for recruiting. How do we know he's not getting unfairly criticized for coaching?...
Link?
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2877 No mention of Klenakis on there. Nor on scout. That's the 2 most respected recruiting sites on the net. Yes, more so than ESPN, which also doesn't list Klenakis.
But for arguments sake lets say it was Klenakis.
#1. Why is he recruiting Defensive linemen when he can't recruit for his own position?
#2. If he's such a good recruiter, why does HIS position only have 1 player with 1 other P-5 offer?
If he gets Telford to flip, then maybe I'll back down. Until then, the O line still sucks and is going to be worse next next year and he's the man in charge of it.
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Coaches are generally assigned a region to recruit. Kolby Smith recruits the Florida Panhandle, LD Scott is our primary guy in Alabama and obviously the Granthams work Georgia. Klenakis apparently recruits down I-65. I know when Art Valero was here back when John L. was here he was responsible for recruiting out in the state...and carried one hell of a big chip on his shoulder about his bumps into the UK folks.
Unfairly criticized for coaching ?!
Tell me you just didn't type that !!!
Did you not witness the debacle BKA as Louisville's offensive line!
The false starts, missed assignments, even had a guy fall over all by himself.
No one s suggesting Klenakis to be a sacrifice to the football gods, he's judged on his own product.
Since Vollmer decommited, looks like he'll have a 4 star lineman to work with.
Props to the recruiting prowess, however his coaching needs a serious 180.
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somehow i knew you would spin this as hard as possible like you are his wife or lover. the guy needs to produce on the field. Many cardinal fans love mediocre football no matter what. I realize today that you are the king of mediocre football loving cards.
if klenakis is on our sidelines we will be in the russel athletic bowl next season no matter how hard you sunshine pump for that moron.
That may be true. I don't know how coach hands out recruiting assignments. That seems efficient, yet could very possibly be misleading on the indication of "who" lands a recruit. Say you're correct and Nashville is Klenakis "area". Klenakis makes first contact, gets the kid interested etc. It's still the visit and sitting down with Petrino and the position coach that seals the deal. Hutch is a very good pick up for UofL, but he's a DT and Klenakis coaches the OL. The player isn't going to say "I came here to play DT because I just love the OL coach." Doesn't make sense. No more than a DB would say "I came here to play strong safety because I really like the QB coach".
So if this is true about "territories" (and I have no reason to believe that it's not) it would make sense in being the only way Klenakis gets credit for signing a DT.
The players are won or lost by the head coach, coordinator and position coach. Someone else may have gotten the interest from their territory, but that's just step 1.
So we'll assume all this is true. Good job Klenakis for getting this kid from your territory interested. We wound up getting a really good DT because you got the kid interested then Petrino and the defensive staff got him. Now, when a coach from another territory brings you good OL prospects (like Telford), return the favor and get a couple of them signed. No more 2 stars that chose between us and Marshall.................
I think the staggering irony in our game against Houston is that it put something glaring on television sets...we need offensive linemen, and we need them in abundance. What it afforded us is an opportunity to put into motion an offensive line foundation for the next three plus years. You can sell multiple things that NOBODY in college football can...you can get immediate playing time in a dynamic offense that is either quarterbacked by a Heisman trophy winner, or you can get an immediate opportunity blocking for a guy who was cost a Heisman trophy in no small part due to breakdowns within that line--further underscoring that need...and at least three slots are completely open by default, perhaps a fourth if McNeil declares (which I think would be a mistake even given his family situation). I think we'll get a JUCO from Rudd, and I think we're really focusing on getting two from among Jordan Tucker (ex-Tennessee commit), Toryque Bateman (seemingly been Michigan since the early summer...but they're at five commits already) and Telfort who got a monster jump in the Rivals 250 to 113. We already have Bentley who might be a midterm enrollee and a Spring participant which would be an enormous boost...the kid's a natural guard, and that's where we really need help. Keep McNeil in the fold, slide him back to offensive guard, and you have immediate opportunity for one of those three prep OTs laid out right in front of you.
If we get Rudd and McNeil stays..move him back at Guard-(his NFL position)...also Cole Bentley was named a 4* on Scout.
So Klenakis coaches dismally against Houston and the first half of Clemson, just bad against a few other teams, acceptably against a few more, and really well against FSU? Is that the O-line coaching analysis I'm hearing??
And after also hearing what a lousy recruiter he is (or was)?...
And after also hearing what a lousy recruiter he is (or was)?...
We are going into year 4 of CBP2 and we're saying OL is still a "glaring" need.
So I have to ask...who's "fault" is it? After three full years?
Aren't we sitting on a bunch of RS OLs? If they all suck, I ask again. Who's fault is it?
So I have to ask...who's "fault" is it? After three full years?
Aren't we sitting on a bunch of RS OLs? If they all suck, I ask again. Who's fault is it?
How many more yards and scores would we have just by simply cutting the offensive line penalties in half? What if by 2/3? What if Houston only was able to accumulate 5.5 sacks?
I'm not devoted to any of them.
I just think CBP ought to know that any skill person he gets, no matter how good, can't succeed w/o big uglies. THEY are the MOST important part of these "high powered" offenses. They are what makes it high powered for the most part.
That said, most of the our OL, especially Christian, came with resumes. So you have to question the coaching.
I just hope it gets fixed one way or another.
I just think CBP ought to know that any skill person he gets, no matter how good, can't succeed w/o big uglies. THEY are the MOST important part of these "high powered" offenses. They are what makes it high powered for the most part.
That said, most of the our OL, especially Christian, came with resumes. So you have to question the coaching.
I just hope it gets fixed one way or another.
there has to be a mandate from someone to put as pretty a ribbon on the turd of our offensive line and its coaching. No other way to view it than trash. We need an overhaul.
We need competent linemen and a coach who can help them stand up on the field.
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/...than-allen-kentucky-offensive-line-nick-saban
Just thought I'd leave this here : )). Big props from Bama's best player to UK's Oline.
UK's OL has 2 guys that were 5.7 guys with many good P5 offers (including UL), a 5 star back up, a walk on, a couple of 2 stars, and a couple of low 3 stars in the 2 deep. But all but the 5 star freshman have been around 3+ years. So it is possible to built a legit line at UK and UL. Just not going to look like how Bama does it
Just thought I'd leave this here : )). Big props from Bama's best player to UK's Oline.
UK's OL has 2 guys that were 5.7 guys with many good P5 offers (including UL), a 5 star back up, a walk on, a couple of 2 stars, and a couple of low 3 stars in the 2 deep. But all but the 5 star freshman have been around 3+ years. So it is possible to built a legit line at UK and UL. Just not going to look like how Bama does it
We need improvement in the quality of some of our posts and posters too, but I guess everything will come together in due course...
OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.
Maybe it will register better in CAPS.
LPT Football: Vision impaired...
Really? The OC made the Offensive line more physical....not the Oline coach(who's been there for 4 years now) or the new S&C staff, or the maturation of the players.
I know that would be the preferred reason from your perspective because it means we law one coach and everything unravels and it's an easy win for you again. But is that even the least bit realistic in this sport where it takes a village and years to build a team?
No point in even talking football with you with the agenda for us to suck always frotn and center an any thoughts on any subject geared to that end.
Beyond validating some earlier threads a while back that UK's Oline was legit, my point was that getting top recruits in the lines to our two schools is definitely a piece but Oline in particular is a crap shoot that is tied to guys maturing
Going to be a interesting couple of weeks...Bentley in the fold and if Louisville gets Jordan Scott "Maybe" Hutch also moves to Guard.
Now if Rudd flips and McNeil comes back for his RS Jr year will they move him back inside to Guard.
Going to be a interesting Spring indeed
Now if Rudd flips and McNeil comes back for his RS Jr year will they move him back inside to Guard.
Going to be a interesting Spring indeed
The problem you have pressing those points is our years of experience here. We've all heard optimistic LPT banter in the offseason about the underpinnings of your football program. And every year, we see the same result on the field. Your football program ain't any different than it's always been. Stupes has the same three-year record as Joker.
But even the most cynical among us--me as a prime example--would have to concede that a blind squirrel may have found an acorn in your OC. Eventually, it was bound to happen. Brainfart almost has to TRY to hire some of the clowns he's been hiring as coaches. Given enough chances, he was bound to screw up and hire a good coach.
Not sure what Gran's motivations are, but I seriously doubt he was shooting for the OC job at LPT. I hope he achieves what he's after.
LPT Football: We don't...
Actually you didn't see the same overall results on the field this year as you have for the past 5 years considering we were +2 on games won, are bowl bound, and beat one of if not the best UL team ever. Use the overall stoops and joker records to feel better but they were going in opposite directions. JokeRS record and teams got worse(considerably) and Stoops have gotten better.
If it makes you feel better to tie all of that success to one new coach then have at it. Big problem with that premise is we weren't majorly outscoring everyone we played against as we had some where in 60th ranked offense with a very good running game. Found a very good freshman back, a vastly improved Oline,and a young but decent defense. With 19 starters back next year. But feel free to spin it how you wish. Later days
No spin. Just history.
If uk can put together 3 consecutive seasons of at least 7-5, WITHOUT being closely followed by NCAA investigation/probation/sanctions... I will say they may finally be on the upswing.
But 60 years of history says it won't happen. Hopefully I can wait three more.
If uk can put together 3 consecutive seasons of at least 7-5, WITHOUT being closely followed by NCAA investigation/probation/sanctions... I will say they may finally be on the upswing.
But 60 years of history says it won't happen. Hopefully I can wait three more.
On a positive O line Note: Cole Bently is one of our 3 star OL's committed. He's apparently turned some heads lately and some are now rating him as a 4 star. When he committed to UofL , we were the only P-5 to offer him a scholly at the time. A lot of other schools are trying to step in now, but Bently says he's firmly committed and will enroll in January. If he is maturing that fast, it will be great for him to get here early and go through spring practice. Hopefully the recent head turning is for good reason and we got a diamond in the rough.
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