Bench or suspend the malcontents

dnorman0301

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Only play those that give 100%, others go to bench or can be suspended, they can transfer out at mid-semester.

The inmates are running the asylum.

This season is over. I'd rather see bench players go live their dream than watch overpaid "athletes" go get the **** beat out of them every night.
100% agree with this … rather get beat by 100 with players showing heart than 35 by this bunch.
 

Zuma75

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100%. If that’s the problem (and what else can it be?) then he has to deal with it strongly. He’s not going to X and O his way out of this.
 

Zuma75

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Do we really know there are malcontents or are we assuming there MUST be because of how bad the team has played? I've heard people say things but haven't heard or read anything concrete or definitive. I wouldn't doubt it's true, though. There's no doubt, this team has serious issues, and I'm sure some are internal.
What else can it be? They are a total mess and getting worse - it’s not just basketball ability. What else?
 
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I didn’t catch it live but I saw a clip on a private Facebook group, at the last timeout before halftime, 48.2 seconds remaining in half, if you have the game recorded, go back and watch. Mo D intentionally shoulder bumps Brandon Garrison in a non friendly way like something personal. Reading body language, there is some kind of problem there. I don’t know what it’s about but could be effecting the entire team.

 
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MegaBlue05

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Yep.
I am in my mid 50's, so I am not nearly as reactionary as I was in my younger days. I try and see the big picture. All of the folks...and there were many...calling for Cal's head the last few years, what did they ask for? A guy that loves the program, that will give the best in state kids a chance, who was not a one and done guy who made promises to 17 year olds in order to get them here, then kept that promise, even if they weren't good players. Someone who would build a roster and have veteran players and a program that doesn't turn over the entire roster each year...well, that's what we went and got. And MO did an AMAZING job last season. Most folks saw the empty roster we had when MO got here and most were saying no tourney or .500 record would be understandable. Then Pope goes Sweet 16 in year one. Ahead of schedule. So 9 games in this year, with several key players out for what is a good but not great team to start with, we are having a very poor start. So do I want to fire Pope and start the coach search over again? That would be HELL NO. Im rooting for the kids we have on the court, and watching to see how MO responds to adversity. Did he make some mistakes in recruiting? Yep. But Pope in an extremely sharp guy, and its my opinion that he will learn from those mistakes and adjust what he is looking for in the portal next season. So I have not given uo on this season, and I do believe he will put together a fantastic overall roster for next season. If we don't make the tourney this season and arent back in the mix next year like I expect, them I am fine with moving on after year 3. Dec 6 of year two? Nope, not fair

This is about where I am. I know he’s not getting fired in December and talking about it just sounds like a temper tantrum because it’s so unrealistic.

I also believe he’s back next year even if this team doesn’t win another game. However, next year is a get it right or get out year. He will never feel more pressure.

If we are back to national prominence, there will be a year 4. If year 3 is a repeat of this year or only marginally better, there won’t be a year 4. And I am fine with that as well.

I know the overly emotional knee-jerk reaction is fire the coach immediately, but it’s just not happening. I have resigned myself to this likely being a lost season but hoping some of these guys have some semblance of pride to try to get it right. Mark Pope will not be fired during this season no matter how bad it gets. Quote me on that.

The Pope from last year didn’t forget how to coach, but I do think he poorly constructed this roster and his coaching isn’t reaching the team. The rest of this season will test his mettle and mental toughness and teach him some hard lessons along the way.
 

Possum

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I didn’t catch it live but I saw a clip on a private Facebook group, at the last timeout before halftime, 48.2 seconds remaining in half, if you have the game recorded, go back and watch. Mo D intentionally shoulder bumps Brandon Garrison in a non friendly way like something personal. Reading body language, there is some kind of problem there. I don’t know what it’s about but could be effecting the entire team.
Watch Diuobate the entire video clip. He is frustrated and pissed:

 

Sportspm

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Watch Diuobate the entire video clip. He is frustrated and pissed:


He went out of his way to bump Garrison in particular. There was a rumor that Mo D was unhappy with the way Pope was using him. I don’t know what’s true and what’s not but “if” there is one player causing chemistry problems, I think they should be sent packing
 
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This is about where I am. I know he’s not getting fired in December and talking about it just sounds like a temper tantrum because it’s so unrealistic.

I also believe he’s back next year even if this team doesn’t win another game. However, next year is a get it right or get out year. He will never feel more pressure.

If we are back to national prominence, there will be a year 4. If year 3 is a repeat of this year or only marginally better, there won’t be a year 4. And I am fine with that as well.

I know the overly emotional knee-jerk reaction is fire the coach immediately, but it’s just not happening. I have resigned myself to this likely being a lost season but hoping some of these guys have some semblance of pride to try to get it right. Mark Pope will not be fired during this season no matter how bad it gets. Quote me on that.

The Pope from last year didn’t forget how to coach, but I do think he poorly constructed this roster and his coaching isn’t reaching the team. The rest of this season will test his mettle and mental toughness and teach him some hard lessons along the way.
100%. Because of last year and who Mark is, he deserves one bad season. I'm not getting behind letting him go this year, its nonsense. After next year is faor if the program isnt where it should be
 
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Execute them for all I care! Kidding of course but yes...bench, suspend or kicked out...whatever needs to happen but without delay. Its not longer time for 4 and 5 2nd chances for troublemakers. Time is UP!
 

FLBBNFAN

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There has to be. We’ve seen this team play well in spots. SOMETHING happened before UofL and Pope being a coy boy about it was like “Ok….” But then you get waxed by MSU. Sucked playing UNC and now this.

Something bad happened and he’s just gonna hide it.
Maybe it happened prior to the Georgetown game given how uninspired they were compared to Purdue. I agree something has happened. Pope is doing himself no favors by trying to protect the culprits.
 

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I’ve said this for ever. They competed against each other last season. This isn’t a light switch. Owen thinks it’s his team he doesn’t need Aberdeen. Garrison doesn’t want MO here. Probably that girlfriend issue, whatever else and whoever else doesn’t like something about the team. These guys are paid millionaires but they’re not grown. They don’t know how to separate this stuff out. Stupid to recruit so many guys that won’t like each other. Garrison shouldn’t have been brought back if you want MO. Obviously Garrison doesn’t want to share time with Mareno. What the hell how did Mark miss oh these egos so badly. Money has killed Oweh’s drive. Different players. He shouldn’t have been brought back anyway the guy can’t finish at all and never could unless he’s trying to show up Oklahoma.


Massive failures on all fronts.
 

Kentucky15

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This is about where I am. I know he’s not getting fired in December and talking about it just sounds like a temper tantrum because it’s so unrealistic.

I also believe he’s back next year even if this team doesn’t win another game. However, next year is a get it right or get out year. He will never feel more pressure.

If we are back to national prominence, there will be a year 4. If year 3 is a repeat of this year or only marginally better, there won’t be a year 4. And I am fine with that as well.

I know the overly emotional knee-jerk reaction is fire the coach immediately, but it’s just not happening. I have resigned myself to this likely being a lost season but hoping some of these guys have some semblance of pride to try to get it right. Mark Pope will not be fired during this season no matter how bad it gets. Quote me on that.

The Pope from last year didn’t forget how to coach, but I do think he poorly constructed this roster and his coaching isn’t reaching the team. The rest of this season will test his mettle and mental toughness and teach him some hard lessons along the way.
This isn’t that simple. In normal circumstances I would agree. This isn’t normal. You almost cannot bring him back. Recruiting isn’t going to improve now, he’s got players from final four and championship rosters and he’s destroying them. Oats and Golden will take whoever they want from him. They’ll point and say see what happens when you play for him?

I don’t think you can bring him back given the circumstances. He won’t be able to recruit and he was already having issues there. “Normal sucking” maybe, but this is wildly beyond that. This is the worst team in UK history. And it looks to be getting worse.
 

rick64

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Play the guys that bust their @$$ and play team basketball.
 

Anon1679859502

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I love Otega’s play from last year but I was confused how all the media hyped him up to be something he is not… he is a role player and thrives in that situation, nothing more.
I also notice some recruits during interviews claiming UK gets them to the next level but Pope has never done that until last year. And those players would have been drafted at the same spot regardless if they had committed to UK or the draft that year.
I just believe that Pope won’t recover from this season, recruits won’t want to play for a guy like this and the stage was already way too big for him. Suspending or benching won’t make a difference… coaching matters.
 

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Damn, was it a troll? Remember the name? Is it still there? I’ve thought for a while the board isn’t modded but some say it is.

@jedwar are you still a mod?
I don't, honestly. I wasn't gonna try and report anyone. People say a lot of things on message boards, but to me, thats one step too far. Family and race have to stay out of it
 
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Point me to it. One was taken care of in that thread.
Post 623-maybe deleted but I immediately put the guy on ignore and it shows up in his post history when I look. If I’m wrong my apologies and my lack of understanding of how the post history works.
 
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jedwar

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Someone had reported it and I took care of the poster. I thought I had deleted the post as well. I didn’t. My apologies. Appreciate the guiding to it again.
 
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Oh wow. Super glad. You’ve always been my favorite mod. I like the others too. Always said we’ve got the best. I think yall should be paid. I’d pitch in for that.

Oh Crap JB is still a mod then. Been nice knowing yall 😔
 
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jedwar

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Oh wow. Super glad. You’ve always been my favorite mod. I like the others too. Always said we’ve got the best. I think yall should be paid. I’d pitch in for that.

Oh Crap JB is still a mod then. Been nice knowing yall 😔
JB has not been around for a long time.
 
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Do we really know there are malcontents or are we assuming there MUST be because of how bad the team has played? I've heard people say things but haven't heard or read anything concrete or definitive. I wouldn't doubt it's true, though. There's no doubt, this team has serious issues, and I'm sure some are internal.
It seems pretty visible atleast that Aberdeen and oweh dont like each other
 

DrGlock

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There has to be. We’ve seen this team play well in spots. SOMETHING happened before UofL and Pope being a coy boy about it was like “Ok….” But then you get waxed by MSU. Sucked playing UNC and now this.

Something bad happened and he’s just gonna hide it.
Watching this team play is like watching someone get a 0% on a multiple choice test. Even if you're clueless and just randomly guessing, the law of averages dictates that you should still get 25% correct. Yet we're getting 0%. It's like we know what to do and we're actively and intentionally doing the opposite. That takes skill and talent lol
 

DrGlock

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And when you do that you are telling every recruit you are willing to blame them for poor play. Not a good look.
So which do you think is going to drive away more recruits? I'd argue that the current protecting of players and letting the train go over the cliff is worse bc Pope has signed no one lol