While I get most of that, I'd ask #9 what he wants.
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They base that solely on Slater's game against Chase Young in 2019. That's all I hear about anymore with Slater. He's clearly talented, but neither lineman played this year. Sewell had an exceptional pro day too. Sewell has long been considered the top lineman and Slater is the up-and-comer in the rankings, so I don't see how anybody could make that conclusion when it's all speculation based on limited, year-old game film anyway.
The Bengals already have an LT in Jonah Williams. It's possible that Williams moves to RT and Sewell goes LT, but the Bengals aren't looking solely at who is the top LT between Sewell and Slater because the pick could ultimately be on the right side.
Joe Burrow also isn't the only person in Cincinnati who needs a line to succeed. The Bengals have a good amount of money invested in Joe Mixon too. Who is the better run blocker?
I don't really listen to all the "analysts" and "scouts" out there. True scouts and team management are always trying to misdirect other teams to manipulate the draft board. And then you have Internet scouts who have no real expertise, and they just steal information from other people and try to throw in some changes to seem a little different. If we all see the same stuff, and so do they, then we risk forming groupthink. No draft is ever chalk based on scout rankings.
Reiff becomes the starting OG if you have Sewell and Williams healthy. They will probably use at least one other pick on a lineman as well.
It's worth noting that a different coaching staff selected and worked with those players. Nobody was mad that they attempted to build the offensive line like they did though.
It's not fair to use the failures of previous coaching staffs to influence current decision-making.
"We failed previously, so those failures should impact our decision-making forever." That's the logic I'm hearing. When do you decide to try to draft 1st-round OL again if not now when you need it the most?
I wish Cincinnati had a whole bunch of picks in this draft as I think there's a lot of help for us. If Pitts doesn't go #4 I wonder if we could get Dallas' #10 plus their 2nd and a 3rd since supposedly Jerry Jones is crazy about Pitts and would love to trade up and take him? We could still potentially get Sewell in that scenario. We've got to try to shop that pick.
The great thing for Cinci is the top three picks are going to be QBs which they do not need so they essentially have the No. 2 pick of the draft. So many possibilities. I just think it would be a mistake to go with Chase. I also don’t like the idea of asking Joe what he wants because their judgment is clouded by emotion.
Reminds me of when Antoine Walker was pissed that Boston drafted Paul Pierce instead of Nazr Mohammed.
Reminds me of when Antoine Walker was pissed that Boston drafted Paul Pierce instead of Nazr Mohammed.
He might like Pitts, but that would be an awful trade for Dallas. I feel like the same story comes out about Jerry Jones every draft. "He's crazy about (insert player) and would mortgage the franchise just to get that one guy, but Stephen Jones talked him off the ledge."
Their biggest need is secondary, and they are in prime position to take the top cornerback where they are. And not to mention, they would be able to add 2nd and 3rd round picks on top of a roster that is already Super Bowl caliber. Dallas isn't making that trade in anything other than a video game or a bad simulator.
Reiff was told he's being signed to play RT. If they do get Sewell, he plays RG next season imo.
They should loot at a C/G type player also in the draft, agree.
If Chase is there at 5, he's the pick imo. No brainer.
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If Chase is gone, that's exactly what they should do, trade back and get more picks. Deep draft at OL, WR, and Edge rushers. All of which the Bengals need.
Yes, imo. Chase is a game changer type player. I really like Pitts, if they take him, play him at WR. He's fast enough and at 6-6 is a match up nightmare that nobody in the NFL can guard with a CB. Uzomah is serviceable enough at TE imo. Maybe Sample emerges as well.
Chase then PItts then Sewell would be my order.
Talking about bad simulator moves, to move up from #12 to #3 San Francisco traded No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023 just to take Mac Jones who would completely fall out of the top 10 if Sf didn't take him there. Talk about robbery because Jones may very well have been there at 12....
If Jerry wants Pitts and he's there at 5 then it could happen. You can get a lot if somebody wants a player bad enough. I really hope we trade that #5 and get more picks in this draft. I think we could definitely make a deal with Dallas there.
Some saying some scouts have Slater ahead of Sewell. Some scouts had Ryan Leaf ranked ahead of Payton Manning. I'll roll with Sewell if I'm Cincy.
This is true. Especially since 2015. They've done much better signing free agents like Hopkins and Spain. But I have no problem with Sewell or Slater if given the chance to get a difference maker at that position. Just because the last Oregon Duck, Jake Fisher, didn't work out doesn't mean this one won't be much better.
Talking heads again, but the thought is if Sewell is the pick that this staff wants Jonah Williams inside and Rieff at RT.
Sewell is by far the superior run blocker, again according to talking heads, but the tape I’ve seen of him squashing DE and LB at the same time is very convincing.
Also, another thing to consider is Tee Higgins wasn’t bad as a rookie, and Tyler Boyd and a few others had been picked to be the #2 to AJ Green. So they may not have that one guy that’s is all world but that WR group isn’t terrible or the weakness of this team.
Sewell is by far the superior run blocker, again according to talking heads, but the tape I’ve seen of him squashing DE and LB at the same time is very convincing.
Also, another thing to consider is Tee Higgins wasn’t bad as a rookie, and Tyler Boyd and a few others had been picked to be the #2 to AJ Green. So they may not have that one guy that’s is all world but that WR group isn’t terrible or the weakness of this team.
Mahomes oline wasnt the end be all as everyone saw in the SB. Yet they got there because of him, Kelce, Hill, etc.
They are revamping their whole oline, but they did get to 2 SBs with that line. Gotta have weapons to get the ball to imo.
Not arguing. I’m just a NFL draft junkie and this year either SF makes it interesting at 3 or Cinci gets it going at 5.
Otherwise it’s QB, QB, QB, QB which is boring AF.
Otherwise it’s QB, QB, QB, QB which is boring AF.
I think Atl is the wild card in this draft at 4. Their pick could start an avalanche
Sample had such an amazing opportunity to shine this year, but he just couldn't take advantage of it. I have no confidence in him emerging and being anything more than a back-up going forward. This completely sucks too because he was a 2nd-round pick and drafted ahead of DK Metcalf.
Both of their starting tackles were out hurt in the SB. And they were awful without them, despite having Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, etc.
That shows you how important an OL is even when you have incredible skill players.
Looking at the off field moves it seems clear that SF is taking Jones at 3 as if they are planning on moving Garoppolo that means they need somebody ready to play immediately plus Shannon Sharp knows the Shanahans as well as anyone does and he insists they'll take Jones.
Atlanta at 4 will definitely take Chase or Pitts since they are shopping Julio. If they do take Chase and Pitts is there Cincinnati has a huge opportunity to trade their pick for value. If Chase is there then Burrow wants Cincy to take him so that's when things get interesting.
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Agree completely. Just hoping he can because I don't think they will draft Pitts.
They won it the year before with the same line. I'm not de-valuing the O-line at all. I think the Bengals should focus on the O-line if the draft but they don't have to pass up a great WR at 5 to do that. Lots of good lineman in this draft.
Didn't know they were both out hurt though. I still take Chase at 5.
Nah, you all don't need give up an asset to take on Julio Jones and that contract. Dude is 32 now, on the downside of his career, and has a cap hit around $20M for the next three years. Can this guy go two weeks in a row without getting dinged up or hurt at this point?
If the Bengals like Chase enough they should roll with him and then work on fixing the o-line with their day 2 picks.
Not sure if Miami shopped but a lot of teams going to regret not giving them a 5th round pick for Flowers. A guard that is proven and good, not sure why everyone wasn’t all over that deal.
I wouldn’t trade for Julio. That doesn’t do anything for you in Cinci at the moment. All 3 of the division foes would still be better in that scenario TBH. They need a young core to gel and be primed in 2 years with experience together.
Only reason ATL takes anyone but Lance or Fields is if they do trade Julio which the only team I see making that move is New England, like they always do at the end of someone’s career, or possibly Houston.
I wouldn’t trade for Julio. That doesn’t do anything for you in Cinci at the moment. All 3 of the division foes would still be better in that scenario TBH. They need a young core to gel and be primed in 2 years with experience together.
Only reason ATL takes anyone but Lance or Fields is if they do trade Julio which the only team I see making that move is New England, like they always do at the end of someone’s career, or possibly Houston.
Agreed. They should have just re-signed A.J. Green if they wanted to go that route.
Possibly....I think he's 32 so time is catching up to him. Don't follow the Falcons but hasn't he had injury issues like AJ has the last couple of years? I don't know if that's right or not .
Julio would never come to Cincy so the question is moot, but we need to be thinking bold as our division is loaded. My biggest fear is we squander the career of Burrow and get him hurt again. We need to do the kind of things the Bengals never do and spend some money and make some moves and it all needs to start today.
They signed Rieff who is a huge upgrade from Hart. The OL will get addressed in the draft I'm sure. RG is the main area of concern as of today imo, with C not far behind.
That's a good case to trade down in the draft a few spots and take Rashawn Slater as he can play both guard and center plus get a few later round picks with him.
Yeah, they would've won this year if both tackles were healthy. Mahomes had zero time to do anything.
I will be happy with any of Chase, Pitts or Sewell. And if they pull off a trade and are able to good one of the Bama WRs or Slater plus an extra pick or two, I'm good with that, too.
It'll be hard for them to screw this up, but Mike Brown does not instill confidence.
Despite what I said about the OL, my personal preference if they don't make a trade is to grab Chase.
If Chase is gone, trade down absolutely. Get more picks and fill some holes on both the O-line and D-line.
Atlanta is the wild card. If they go QB or Pitts, Chase is the pick imo. No question. If they go Chase, then Cincy should trade back and could possibly still get Sewell or Slater. Should be an interesting draft for sure.
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