Beran talks about NU
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He isn't the highest-rated recruit in the program's history. Please consult where the recruiting gurus of yesteryear rated Evan Eschmeyer, for example. Bob Gibbons, the preeminent recruiting guru of the 1980s and 1990s had him as a top 30-50 recruit. The Star-Tribune of November 12, 1992 lists Eschmeyer as one of the top 50 recruits expected to sign in the early period. Other services had him as a top 50-100 recruit. Joe Harmsen was on multiple top 50 lists. It's also entirely possible that both Rex Walters and Evan Pederson were rated as high or higher. Both were listed as top 100 recruits at the time.
Oh, and here is an old ESPN article mentioning Ben Johnson as the no. 60 recruit nationally. He made about every top 100 list I saw at the time. http://www.espn.com/ncb/preview2000/077.html
This is the kind of hyperbolic reporting without bothering to research what has happened prior to five years ago that gives birth to what often happens here with every recruit a good one and delusional expectations.
Oh, and here is an old ESPN article mentioning Ben Johnson as the no. 60 recruit nationally. He made about every top 100 list I saw at the time. http://www.espn.com/ncb/preview2000/077.html
This is the kind of hyperbolic reporting without bothering to research what has happened prior to five years ago that gives birth to what often happens here with every recruit a good one and delusional expectations.
Hmm....don't know what to make of this. Let me think...oh, I got it, Carmody sucks...
Carmody sux, UoI sux, I suck, anyone that isn’t drinking the koolaid sux. Had an original thoughts this decade? Your are about as informative as DaCat and Va.
Never said you suck, Bob. It is just a running joke I have with this poster. Hope you didn't get too out of shape about it!
Teddy should have been precise — it is accurate to say that Beran rates higher than any recruit in NU history according to 247 composite, but a full reporting would clarify that that measurement only goes back to 2003 for Northwestern (Vince Scott was #348).
Bad journalism.
I hope Beran is great but, as with any recruit, I’m expecting no contribution until he proves he can make one.
I’m not concerned (about the reasons for transferring-I’ll be concerned about depth if we don’t land some transfers), so I’m glad he’s not concerned...bc Ash and Falzon AREN’T SURPRISES. They were both injury prone with limitations that would probably cause them to not play as much as they would have liked. Benson was a surprise but if you graduated in 3 yrs you’d have to consider your options. He had limitations too, and probably wouldn’t have found himself in a starring role, especially if we get a big man transfer.
It’s a reboot for the program. I will miss their personalities, they are all fine men. I will miss the players I had expected Falzon and Benson to become, but won’t miss the players they actually were for us. I wish them the best.
It’s a reboot for the program. I will miss their personalities, they are all fine men. I will miss the players I had expected Falzon and Benson to become, but won’t miss the players they actually were for us. I wish them the best.
My point has nothing to do with Beran. He looks like a good prospect and I hope he's great.
On a day when journalistic standards are in the headlines, a comparatively trivial example of bad journalism like this is still useful. With all due respect, I think this author meant exactly what he wrote: "The highest ranked NU basketball recruit of all time!"
1. This claim is basically the central thesis, yet he didn't even bother to do a cursory Google search, which would have contradicted what he wanted to write.
2. Apparently, the editor also didn't fact-check the claim.
This is the Chicago Trib, not the Podunk Times. You can imagine the quality of reporter and editor at your local Podunk Times when we get miserable reporting at the most esteemed papers.
Probably better for another board but timing appropriate. The quality of journalism has fallen so darn low. It often feels less like news and more like infomercial. Teddy is no homer, but has delivered a modern typical story. Instead of any research or fact seeking, he props up yet another media fluff piece absent of facts.
I wonder what Medill is like these days. I wonder what prevails in those classes, the natural liberal idealism or the fraternal pledge to true journalism. I hope that latter.
And how would we even verify recruiting rankings that are 20+ years old? Even the linked article that was posted here on Ben Johnson was short on details..
It should because it's entirely ********.
Evan Eschmeyer was a top 50 recruit per Athlon. Teddy doesn't know what he's talking about and neither does InsideNU who repeatedly makes the same absurd assertion.
Minor point.....I believe the first injury Jordan has was to his knee near the end of his Junior season. Don't think that made him "injury prone" any more than Vic Law Jr. was "injury prone".......
Right.
There’s no knock on Beran intended in my comments - I expect he’ll be a good player, and I hope he’ll be a great one.
But Teddy does him a disservice by positioning him as the best recruit in Northwestern history, because it’s factually false and because, outside of the top 25 or so, projecting productivity from a freshman outside of the top 25 is basically luck of the draw. “Best recruit in history” implies an expected level of productivity.
I expect Beran to score somewhere between 4 and 16 points per game next year, and I expect all possible outcomes equally.
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That’s the point dude. We have no idea. We can pretend we do, but we have no idea.
You might be the most negative posteri have ever encountered. You have too many electrons orbiting your head relative to the few protons in your brain. Find something to bond with.
I did. She’s pretty awesome. Guess the vodka soda instead of Koolaid allows perspective.
Funny thing, I have posted positive things. Been awhile and under a different handle. I can understand how it’s not noticed. Those posts were probably boring. Hard to discuss: he’s great, no he’s greater, no he’s even greater. How stimulating.
But if you removed me, 320, couple other guys, then this place would be dead as a doornail.
Those positive posts weren't boring to me! Feel free to go back to that well sometime...
And BC got none of them. Beran is the highest rated recruit since we went to the current system. Ans in those days of old, they did not have anywhere near the number of players. Remember, originally there were only 8 teams in tourney then 16 then 22-25 etc. So I would guess top 100 now is like top 50 back in the 1980s and 1990s
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I will miss their parents and families. Benson's father was great to talk with and he came in for a lot of games. Ash's father was pretty nice guy as well. Falzon's parents were not here much
I’m not sure this makes sense.
Evan Eschmeyer was recruited in the early 90s and Ben Johnson, the latter half of that same decade.
I wouldn’t call that “the days of old” as by 1985 the tournament had 64 teams and Division 1 had over 300 programs to its name.
Seems very similar to the current system.
There’s nothing wrong with being excited about Beran playing for NU while still acknowledging this “highest rated recruit to wear the purple” hype isn’t entirely accurate.
And now today's winner in the Mental Contortion - Tortured Logic Award!
There were over three hundred D-1 college basketball teams when Evan Eschmeyer was recruited and we were long past the days of 32 teams in the Tourney. You have no idea what you're talking about, which is par for the course at this joint when discussion turns to anything beyond about 7/8 years ago or beyond what a millennial regards as useful data or facts from the past, which seems to come in at less than those 7/8 numbers.
Is it your opinion that the recruiting industry (and affiliated rankings) was pretty much the same in the 90s as it is now?
And you have not seen the changes in the BB game in that time? The Bulls Championships were during that period and it pretty much changed everything
(realizes '83 NU team would have made 64 team tournament....missed by two years....day ruined)
That was a fun team to watch. But they finished 8th in the B1G with a 7-11 record so probably not even with a 64 (or 68 as today) team NCAA tournament.
I’m not saying the game/environment around the sport hasn’t changed (it is always evolving), just not nearly as much as your post claimed. The difference between the 1960s and 1980s is much greater (for many reasons) than the 1990s and 2010s.
Your supporting evidence (size of tournament/evolution and how it ties into recruiting rankings) didn’t make much sense, at least as it was written.
The NBA is certainly more popular now (the success of the Bulls aided in that process), but there are always ebbs and flows. The Warriors rise/style coupled with the high degree of player movement brought the NBA out of a lull that occurred during the 2000s.
Popularity isn’t always linear. For example, it wouldn’t be outrageous to claim college basketball (outside of the NCAA tournament) is less popular in 2019 than 1999.
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