Did they play 18 games in the BIG? When BC got to NU they were only playing 16 plus the BTT which I do not think was around in 83
Beran talks about NU
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Yes, they played 18 B1G games. Complete round-robin with 10 actual Big 10 teams (like the name suggests).
It's pretty easy to confirm:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/northwestern/1983-schedule.html
While recruiting rankings are nice and all, what's more important is actual play on the court.
Have high hope for Beran, but going to wait and see (CC talked up Nance and didn't exactly pan out for the 1st yr).
As of yet, haven't seen a front court player as skilled as someone like VV or Johnny (or Coble, for that matter; while Shurna was Mr. Consistency, Coble was the one able to make ridiculous shots).
If Beran can be that type of player, would be a great pairing w/ a (hopefully) Pardon type in JJ (if not even better).
Not surprised at all about Beran's thoughts on the transfers - really not a big deal.
Uh Nance had mono. Pretty much wrecked his season. I think mono was one of the reasons they redshirted Sanjay...
Uhh, Nance didn't show much prior to getting mono, or after he returned to action.
And no, it wasn't b/c Nance needs to beef up (well, he does), as Durant only had 5 lbs (and an inch) over Nance and was one of the best players in college despite not being able to do a single rep on the bench press at the combine.
In addition, Swop played the 4 position tough at 210 lbs.
There's a reason why CC opted to start Kopp and not Nance, the more heralded recruit.
Now, this doesn't mean that Nance couldn't develop into a better player than Kopp or even a future NBA prospect, but he wasn't anywhere close to the hype.
And no, it wasn't b/c Nance needs to beef up (well, he does), as Durant only had 5 lbs (and an inch) over Nance and was one of the best players in college despite not being able to do a single rep on the bench press at the combine.
In addition, Swop played the 4 position tough at 210 lbs.
There's a reason why CC opted to start Kopp and not Nance, the more heralded recruit.
Now, this doesn't mean that Nance couldn't develop into a better player than Kopp or even a future NBA prospect, but he wasn't anywhere close to the hype.
The thing that was always going to hurt him is that people will assume he's like his dad or brother and he's not. He's not a high flying athlete. He's still a very good prospect, but people see that name and expect something that he is not.
There was another freshman rated about the same place nationally, similar height and build who also struggled, Nate Laszewski of ND, and I'd take Nance over him. Laszewski is purely a catch-and-shoot guy whereas I think there is more to Nance's game when he's healthy.
It was pretty well known that Pete isn't the type of athlete that his brother and father is/was, but he was supposed to be further developed than his brother skill-wise coming into college.
Nance is a better athlete than Shurna (and certainly Coble), but he was nowhere near the skills (shooting) level of those 2 guys as a frosh.
Oh come on. B-ball runs almost five months. Nance has lots of opportunities before mono. Mono is not an ACL or nagging long muscle pull. Nance was exactly what gonu predicted. A project. A kid w bloodlines and physical attributes but no real experience or training.
Would love to see him be the Eli Manning. He could also be that third brother.
The fact os, he missed a month of basketball with it, at a critical point in his develipment. See how Miller Kopp was far better at the end of the season than he was at the beginning, particularly on defmse? If Miller caught mkno, can pretty much guarantee that would not have happened...
So you're dismissing him after a freshman season when he had mono and missed a portion of the season durin a critical part of his development? I'm not.
Nance was touted as a high ceiling developmental recruit. He was ranked as high as we was because he could end up being very very good for us in the next 3 years. If you can’t see the potential I just don’t what to say. (Now there’s always the possibility he never hits it but I’m not going down that route) Idk why you’re judging a devolopmental after year one
What hype was that? I think almost everyone thought Pete needed time to develop and would be a minimal contributor his first year. Limited AAU ball, weak competition were cited. Most said Kopp was more ready to compete his first year.
Yes, people were excited about his ranking and why shouldn’t they be, but he is exactly what most said he was a developmental guy. Comparing Pete to Kevin Durant is ludicrous. Durant was the number 2 recruit in his class and a lotto pick out of HS if it was allowed. A total freak. The only thing remotely similar is they are both rail thin.
I’ve never seen so much angst over positive press on this board. Very bizarre...
People, it’s okay to be excited!
People, it’s okay to be excited!
Being someone who has stood up for players like Hearn - of course not (if you were reading more carefully, you would have noted that I had stated that Nance didn't pan out his 1st year).
As for hype, there have been those here hyping Nance solely based on his recruiting ranking, as well as others.
https://www.insidenu.com/2017/6/30/...y-donlon-welsh-ryan-arena-michigan-ohio-state
Don't pay as much attention to that as much as what local recruiting gurus say (like in the case for Crawford and Shurna) or the coaching staff.
This is a CC quote on Nance -
“He is long and skilled. Guys in the league above you (the NBA) salivate over guys who look like that who can shoot. Hopefully I don’t mess him up.”
The problem was, Nance wasn't quite ready on the skill-level as a frosh.
Pete didn't miss games b/c of mono til late Jan; so he had 2.5 months to show glimmers of his talent.
Coble had 8 games scoring in the double digits as a frosh by mid-late Jan., including going off for 25 pts against WMU in an OT win.
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He was always considered high upside but needing some development because of the level he played at.. He was coming along nicely and then got hit with Mono. That set him back. I expect a lot more out of him next year.
One thing nice about this is that with the setback, potential of him moving on for NBA prior to 4 years is remote
Defense was much better at end of year. He was rushed on offensive end. No issues getting shots in the offense but could not make anything. If shot starts to fall he could be a very good player for NU as soon as next year. Biggest issue seemed to be he was tentative.
A D1 coach would take Pete Nance any day of the week.
6' 11", shoots from distance and moves like a wing. NBA bloodlines.
The idea that he'd be discussed as dispositive proof of Collins' recruiting acumen is one of the dumber discussions this board has seen.
When....ever....has NU brought in a bball recruit with Nance's profile?
I'm a Carmody supporter, but do you know why Coble and Shurna had so many minutes in so many games as frosh to find some offensive success? There was nobody else. If Nance came to NU 15 years ago he would have played 40 minutes a game.
6' 11", shoots from distance and moves like a wing. NBA bloodlines.
The idea that he'd be discussed as dispositive proof of Collins' recruiting acumen is one of the dumber discussions this board has seen.
When....ever....has NU brought in a bball recruit with Nance's profile?
I'm a Carmody supporter, but do you know why Coble and Shurna had so many minutes in so many games as frosh to find some offensive success? There was nobody else. If Nance came to NU 15 years ago he would have played 40 minutes a game.
15 years ago he would have started? Wouldn’t have made him any better nor more effective as a frosh. He is a project and could possibly develop, but the B1G was still the B1G back then and Nance would not have seen any greater success.
Also, that would have been VV junior or senior season at PF. Unless you mean Nance would have started out of position at the five. I don’t think BC was that dumb.
This clown was a huge fan of JA who was not the starting point guard of his own high school team. Glynn Watson was.
Larry Nance Jr. was a late bloomer also and that is why he went to Wyoming. He is doing pretty well on the Cavs following in the footsteps of his dad who was an NBA all-star and slam dunk champion. IMHO, Pete Nance will show significant development along with Kopp and hopefully, so will Greer. Pete Nance has a ton of work to do in the weight room and on the practice courts, but the raw materials are there.
Larry Nance Jr. was a late bloomer also and that is why he went to Wyoming. He is doing pretty well on the Cavs following in the footsteps of his dad who was an NBA all-star and slam dunk champion. IMHO, Pete Nance will show significant development along with Kopp and hopefully, so will Greer. Pete Nance has a ton of work to do in the weight room and on the practice courts, but the raw materials are there.
15 years ago - 2003-4 Starting lineup: Jitim, TJ Parker, the Morrocan MJ, VV, and either Davor or Ivan. I'm sorry, but I do not see the unfinished Nance unseated VV, Hashad or Ivan. And by midseason when Ivan was hurting, Nance would either have mono or establish that he would not be starting over Davor.
if you mean the 2004-05 group - maybe, but I doubt. VV, TJ and Davor would definitely start over an unpolished Nance. But maybe he start in place of LG Doyle ;P
Sorry, no way frosh Nance starts either year. None, zero, zip. Quite frankly, going into his soph year, we still aren't sure what to expect. Are you predicting Nance starts next year, modern era, with a nearly empty roster? All he has to do next year is beat out ... no one. We have a single center - Young with an incoming freshman Jones. We have a single four in Nance with an incoming recruit in Beran. That's it. The rest are wings and guards. So, does Nance start next year - or is Beran or maybe the transfer to be named later?
It doesn’t help the young fella when he gets the fish eye from his Coach and Upperclassmen after every miss.
Next year that shouldn’t happen.
I didn't know our 2003-5 ballclubs were such world beaters that a highly rated recruit would have zero chance of cracking the starting lineup! Remind me why we didn't make the Dance back then? Lack of coaching?
Bob, the larger point was that Nance was a no brainer recruit for NU, an indisputable "get." Malpractice if he wanted NU and Collins didn't offer.
Now, whether that tiny brown spot on my lower left cheek is a freckle or early stage cancer we have different viewpoints so we'll agree to disagree.
No, they clearly were not. Just tell me who you think last year's Nance would unseat in the starting role if he time warped back there. We can even assume it inoculated him from mono.
So, based on his abilities and production,as it was last year, whose place is Mr. Nance taking?
Hope you don't have butt cancer.
Not sure who disagreed that Nance was a recruit to take. If it is any reference to my points way above, I take no issue with recruitment but CCC needs to have some non-projects that pan out. I mean, Nance may or may not ever do anything of substance at NU.
Maybe he develops, becomes better than his brother (who played in 33 games as a freshman and became a starter from there out). Maybe he doesn't.
And in my assessment, I have identified the hits and misses in my opinion, but always left Kopp, Greer and Nance as unknowns, stating only that they are not Shurna nor Coble (who excelled as freshman - maybe not allstars, but starters and meaningful contributors).
Oh Bobby. The one who thought Isaac Haas was a definite first round pick. Deep basketball acumen. Not. I get those two rambling wrecks mixed up.
also Larry nance Jr. played for 4 years. hardly was a sure thing. if he didn't make the NBA - would Pete have any expectations around him?
To be fair, Vukusic was a quality forward and 8th all-time NU scorer. And Mo Hachad would have started on last years Cat team. Jitim Young? 11th all time scorer. Would he have a role on the current Cats? I think so. It comes down to Tolic and Duvancic, and I think Nance would get the nod over either of them.
C’mon. Seriously? Nance was not good this past year. VV was good. Hachad had all the potential, isn’t that what you are clamoring about with Nance? Both Iván and Davor were better players than freshman Nance.
I really struggle to understand why folks insist to embrace the irrational just to show some sort of allegiance. Guess that is why cults exist.
C’mon NJ! Did you watch both teams. I remember those guys. They were going to win any awards, but were serviceable. Those teams didn’t finish in last place. Heck, one finished middle of the pack.
Can’t we just agree that Nance is a high ceiling project? He may come on like Nash or Hearn or even better. But this past year, he was a marginal B1G player and would have been better served to be redshirted, if that had been an option.
Nance ... Tolic (13 starts)
23 games ... 21 games
297 mins ... 215 games
35% FG (75 attempts) ... 26% (19 attempts)
26% 3-pt FG (38 attempts) ... 17% (6 attempts)
41% FT (12 attempts) ... 43% (7 attempts)
1.8 r/game ... 1.5 r/game
18-16 assists/TO ... 15-1
8 blocks ... 1 block
8 steals ... 6 steals
2.9 ppg ... .07 ppg
At worst, very similar.
I could believe the argument that skinny Nance couldn't start on this team if it wasn't for Carmody. However, he still in the stage of his NU career where he thought he was in the Ivy league and could get away with a 6-8 center. He'd start anyone at the 4 or 5 who had size and could even remotely shoot from outside.
23 games ... 21 games
297 mins ... 215 games
35% FG (75 attempts) ... 26% (19 attempts)
26% 3-pt FG (38 attempts) ... 17% (6 attempts)
41% FT (12 attempts) ... 43% (7 attempts)
1.8 r/game ... 1.5 r/game
18-16 assists/TO ... 15-1
8 blocks ... 1 block
8 steals ... 6 steals
2.9 ppg ... .07 ppg
At worst, very similar.
I could believe the argument that skinny Nance couldn't start on this team if it wasn't for Carmody. However, he still in the stage of his NU career where he thought he was in the Ivy league and could get away with a 6-8 center. He'd start anyone at the 4 or 5 who had size and could even remotely shoot from outside.
Agreed, oddly. But also need some context. Tolic, if I remember right (getting old), had injury issues. He showed the ability to be a stable force in the middle, but his body was failing him. Davor came in and picked up the slack impressively.
That was a team that finished in the upper half. No way Nance starts at any point.
But the following year, Davor was not as impressive. And by then, hachad was hachad and Doyle was starting his Fred flintstone routine. Still, if BC has those players, he redshirts a very raw Nance. Why burn a shirt for such marginal production.
Irony, we weren’t going to make post season. CCC should have known. He should have tried to shirt Nance. In 20/20 hindsight, it’s not like they could have done worse.
One more thought after a few cocktails...absent something amazing, we won’t make a postseason next year either. If CCC can bring inroster fillers, then redshirting the potential difference makers among Beran, Nance and Kopp could pay dividends. Especially if they change the grad transfer rules.
For everyone clamoring about two years from now, and salivating about some non-grad transfer options, and some highly regarded recruits, imagine an extra year of Kopp, Nance and / or Beran. Think about the line up possibilities for a couple years. That could bring a program to national relevance fast and cast me into justified pariah land too (ok, I’ll be too busy flying around to Cat games to post anyway
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