I wouldn't have a son who was a Penn State fan.
Beth
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Simply stating a fact. Covid crushed Iowa so much more than most realize and then the gambling garbage doubled down. It put a massive halt on momentum and cost them a cycle. It isn’t “blame” to state the truth.
Now, I would agree that, going forward, it’s time to put that in the rear view, pull up the bootstraps and go to work. The 2027 class seems to show that is happening. It’s just when people make a point to ignore when Iowa last won and conveniently start the year after, CONTEXT is important to contradict the disingenuous…
And others would say "it’s time to put that in the rear view, pull up the bootstraps and go to work" should have been the thought a few years ago, right after COVID. COVID is over, you get what you earn in 2021, 2022, 2023, etc.
and then old hats get to tell everyone how stupid they are and that getting beat by ISU isnt that big of deal...
Brands showed some serious change when Perry was brought in...now he shifted back to what it was like prior. This off season is going to tell us a lot. He needs some serious shaking up of things otherwise what will change from the current path? If I'm betting- TnT will just keep running their head into the same wall business as usual.
Or.... Nolf comes in as an assistant under Tom, Terry shifts to HWC as the full time head coach and Nolf learns the administration side under Tom for 3-4 years before taking over (Tom retires) and building out his staff with his own guys.
Why would Iowa settle for a guy who PSU passed on for one of their assistant coach positions. Aim higher.
I don't think 51 is old but you do you . I just think some realize it's 1 dual in November. And it's not like they didn't win it for 20 years. Iowa st is building a solid program and will be winning this dual a few more times in the next 10 years I think
Well I and grew up in Pa. So that would work here lol.I wouldn't have a son who was a Penn State fan.
By your criteria only Nick Lee and Zain Retherford qualify. Best of luck prying one of them away. Or maybe you want Gillman?
Sure...sign me up for that. Heck sign me up for any coaching shake up Tom wants to do at this point. HWC too. Nobody deserves to be safe as long as everytime we face another top team our takedowns equal our stall calls and we get our lunch handed to us on most scrambles.
Who said they did. PSU has Casey Cunningham in the room so the other assistants are not recruiting or handling the main coaching. Maybe Cael just was closer with Nick Lee. Maybe Nick is a better yes man. I mean by your logic why do we have Morningstar instead of Metcalf? If I had to pick a new head coach it would be Metcalf between them.
Both of the them would 100% leave to be Iowas HC. Are you being serious? However, Cunningham would be the guy to target from that staff.
Edit- there's a decent chance he'd say no but that is the line of who we need to target to bring us back to the top
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To get one of them you would need to pay them like Tom Brands or else why would they leave PSU where they have a chance to succeed Sanderson. Would Iowa do that for a never-time head coach? Doubtful. But Nolf doesn't already have a PSU position. Seems far more likely he would take less than what Brands makes.
But the worst case scenario is all three want to be paid better than Taylor.
If they passed on him, who did they hire? Who said he really wants to be an assistant? PSU did crap on him when they lured Dake into NLWC.
None of them have a future as a head coach at PSU. It will be Taylor taking over when Carl leaves, unless he falls completely on his face at okyst, which will be impossible with the recruiting he’s doing and the huge donor backing him.
Doesn’t Taylor make 1 million a year plus incentives? Does Cael do that good? That seriously limits the teams you can coach to ones with a billion or multiple multimillionaires will to really open the pocket book. Osu made Taylor an offer he could not refuse.
Yes, that is why I was saying the worst case is someone wanting Taylor money.
And thats exactly why iowa is where it is. Anyone who wants to pass over Nolf for any reason probably should go back and watch some tape on how he wrestled. I'd take Nolf over DT any day of the week and would be heart broken if he ended up at iowa Nolf may have the best mat sense of any wrestler the last 20 years
He may be the only wrestler I've watched who could care less if he got taken down he almost enjoyed the challenge Pure wrestler
I say Iowa should give Brands a lifetime contract. 9 takedowns in 1 dual. 6 by 1 wrestler I think he’s doing great no need to talk about a replacement. With offense like that he could reach 25 takedowns by the NCAAs
Nolf has the "it" factor. Not just an unbelievable wrestler. I've never seen him when he wasn't poised and confident. He's got a sharp mind when he speaks about wrestling. He can be extremely funny when he wants to be. He strikes me as someone who has a knack for relating to people. Whatever school lands him as a coach will punch above their weight, in my view.
Love these conversations. The reality is Brands will not lead Iowa to another national championship. I think everyone can see that. The landscape has changed and Brands has not been able up adapt. A great asset to Iowa wrestling for years, but Beth needs to make the move. Tough move, but that’s what will clarify if she’s a great asset.
If I had to guess it would be that Nick Lee ticked a lot of boxes.
Young - Sanderson and Cunnigham are sneaking up on 50 and have to prepare for the day that the hands on stuff is done by others.
Light - even if Sanderson and Cunningham are still going Lee is better sized to work with the light weights.
Attack-minded - Lee was a high volume shooter in college who always came forward and could attack either side.
Fundamentals - Lee is very technically sound.
Temperment - Not unlike Sanderson's.
Agreed, Cunnigham would be the one. But that would likely take Taylor money. And even then, maybe not.
AKA, not willing to bend the rules. And not having a billionaire funding the program. Hire a new HC, won’t matter without a massive donor and a compliance department willing to look the other way
I think that ship has sailed. 5-10 years ago maybe but I don't see him leaving now. I'd be willing to bet by the time all his income streams are combined he makes more than all but a handful of D1 coaches. PSU knows how critical he is to their program's success.
I saw and called out the lack of effort recruiting, less development, poor match planning, lack of preparation, and increased injuries compared to the other top programs several years ago and always got shouted down for it. Fortunately people are finally coming around. Brands are like Fran—pretty good coaches who lack the ability to truly identify and shore up their weaknesses. And just like Fran, pretty good coaches who need to go.
Paying 300-500k a year each for transfers to keep us relevant only to underperform at nationals or get hurt is not a good long term plan.
Disagree, we need to be aiming higher. The highest level young guys want more. They're thinking about Olympic medals and world titles, not just ncaa championships. I loved Nolfs style and he seems like a good dude but there's a handful of guys like him in nearly every collegiate cycle. Make Dake or Burroughs say no first.
It would have to be Dake or Burroughs to have a big enough name to demand Taylor money. I know Nolf definitely wants to be a head coach and already has the people in mind he wants on his staff. I would imagine it’s Morningstar and Telford
. I would think by now Morningstar would be a candidate for a smaller D1 program head coaching job. Nolf could sign a contract that guarantees him the head job when Tom retires. Only way he may consider an assistant job. My nightmare is the AD being lazy, and just handing the job to Morningstar when Tom retires.Thought he was offered the okyst job first but turned them down. If he wanted to be a head coach, he could have done it years ago.
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I saw a video of Bassett meeting Franklin at Vtech recently. Franklin asked him if he was in school there now, and he said no, he just spends a lot of time training there now. I wanted to puke
. You put Bassett and Miller along with the 27/28 class and add a few more quality guys to those classes and we would be very competitive with okyst, and even competitive with PSU. I also like daydreaming about winning the lottery, even though it will never happen 
The only thing Nolf is missing is high levels of freestyle success, with Dake and Burroughs in his way. If he had that, his name would be just as big as Taylor, Dake, Burroughs. In fact, Burroughs really made a name for himself mostly in senior freestyle. Metcalf owned him in college folk style. I think Nolf is a good combination of a big enough name, Pennsylvania kid who was a PSU star, coached by Carl, who is a good communicator for recruiting, and a good technical wrestler who is young enough to roll with the guys. I would be excited if he was our next coach. It would be the first time since before Gable that Iowa wrestling was being led by someone who wasn’t an Iowa native.
He couldve had some in the past but stayed . Not gonna name the jobs but he bleeds back and gold.It would have to be Dake or Burroughs to have a big enough name to demand Taylor money. I know Nolf definitely wants to be a head coach and already has the people in mind he wants on his staff. I would imagine it’s Morningstar and Telford
That's a HUGE thing to be missing in today's game. The programs we're competing with for the top of the rankings guys you need to win titles are led by gold medalists/world champions... AND they have RTCs with more of them in the room. I'm not remotely convinced Nolf would be the guy to build that at Iowa.
I have zero issues with Morningstar being on staff bc he's the driving force behind our recruiting. While its still left plenty to be desired, I cringe to think what it would look like without him.