Vomit. That's why I disliked the ending so much (and that part of the series), turning it into a love story. But it pandered well to the Kim lovers and female crowd. But I'm more of the BrBa side of the universe, not so much BCS, although I loved me some Lalo.
Better Call Saul..
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The show has been a love story for quite some time now. And jimmy has always wanted someone to care for him the whole series i.e Chuck and Kim. BCS is a character study as well.
I think the Chuck flashback was Jimmy's "time machine moment". If at that moment he decided to stay and discuss his cases with Chuck maybe he takes a better path in life.
I definitely think it was at least that. Especially after seeing the book chuck was reading.
Also thinking about that scene. Odenkirk was amazing. Played the same person three completely different ways. At times, ebbing and flowing between the personas. Masterful.
It was also the last time Chuck shows jimmy any admiration and reaches out. The rest of the show is just after that moment and Chuck shitting all over jimmy.
I liked the finale, but thought that actions of Saul/Jimmy at the end were not consistent with his character. I feel like the Gene character was separate of Jimmy/Saul and was heading down a path similar to Walter White. Hell . . . Gene was even starting to *look* like Walter. Physical appearance, facial expressions, grunting sounds, etc.
Saul/Jimmy were the same person imo. There is not one without the other. No other person in Jimmy’s life could see that or understand it . . . except Kim. In that sense, I can sorta understand the sacrifice Saul makes.
On the other hand, there was no big moment of epiphany after Lalo’s death that would’ve changed Saul so much that he experienced a moment of repentance. Saul was morphing into Gene and he was ready to lose every bit of empathy/innocence he ever had.
Just thinking and processing it in real time. I finished it off a recording 20 minutes ago.
Saul/Jimmy were the same person imo. There is not one without the other. No other person in Jimmy’s life could see that or understand it . . . except Kim. In that sense, I can sorta understand the sacrifice Saul makes.
On the other hand, there was no big moment of epiphany after Lalo’s death that would’ve changed Saul so much that he experienced a moment of repentance. Saul was morphing into Gene and he was ready to lose every bit of empathy/innocence he ever had.
Just thinking and processing it in real time. I finished it off a recording 20 minutes ago.
“Saul” changed when he was going to give up the Howard story to the Feds and realized that if he didn’t come clean then Kim would be screwed for the rest of her life. He brought up Howard so Kim would be there to see him come out on to again in his Saul ego. He went in the court room as Saul and came out as jimmy. He sacrificed himself so that Kim could be whole through the process bc it was him that told her to come clean first then he would. She followed suit, he’d be a hypocrite if he didn’t lay on his sword in that manner.
Irl everyone’s taking the 7 years, but this is the BB universe and it represents the 3 paths you can take as a criminal. 1 die (Walt) 2. On the run (Jesse) 3. Jail (jimmy/Saul)
if jimmy doesn’t make the phone call to Kim in waterworks then the story doesn’t make sense, but he does bc he’s forever going to care about her and how he doesn’t want to ruin her life like Walt did to everyone he met.
Kim is still pretty much screwed for the rest of her life, her career is ruined, she’ll get sued by Cheryl ensuring she’ll never make any money so she will live her life as a poor soul, except for the yep yep yep man. That’s probably the fourth option, she falls into the Skylar, Marie category of a ruined life she will never get out of.
Surprised at close to accurate this ended up being. Everything but the grifts, and that is something that could develop in time in prison since he's so revered by the inmates.
Pretty satisfying ending. It's interesting how his capture was the antithesis of Walt's journey to the end. Everything fell Walt's way in the final Bad shows, and nothing went right for Saul all the way to losing the diamonds while tearing open the phone in the dumpster only to be found by the police quite easily. The dumpster situation is a nod of him rummaging through the dumpsters at the retirement home seasons ago.
But Saul had to die. And he did. He wasn't born that way, and the full Saul Goodman character wasn't a terminal death sentence like Walt's cancer was. He became Jimmy again, sacrificing the rest of his life of freedom for a reconciliation with Kim. And their moment together in the visiting room was a poignant reminder of their days sharing a smoke in the parking garage at HHM. The cigarette burned in red in an otherwise black and white scene, a sign that he's got a sense of peace in the face of his life sentence.
In the end, one doesn't know if Howard's wife ended up suing Kim, or if Jimmy's confession might have saved her from that circus. We also don't know if Kim stays in Florida or moved back to New Mexico or relocated to Colorado. We just know she's not practicing law again, maybe just still volunteering at the free legal place in Florida. But Jimmy got his redemption from the only person that mattered to him, and I'm okay with that.
Very happy to see Michael McKean, Betsy Brandt, and Cranston in their final appearances. Cranston delivered a vicious comment to Saul in the basement with the "So you've always been like this" assessment. But it's shown obvious he wasn't always like that. We are reminded at how much he did for Chuck, a kind of a time travel in the episode with the HG Wells novel on the counter being a nice touch.
Great show, and a great compliment to Breaking Bad. It's a little sad to know this storyline is complete, but the cast and crew and Gilligan and Gould delivered a decade and a half of top notch TV viewing.
If you disliked Kim in this series, you are horrible human being. True story.
the surprise Kim visit to Jimmy in prison flashed me back to Raylan visiting Boyd in prison in the Justified finale.
I think her NM atty license did expire, it was just that her bar association card didn’t have an end date, and that was enough to bluff her into the prison.
Kim probably doesn’t get civilly sued and can still pass the bar again if she wants to be a lawyer again.
After a few years I could see Kim and jimmy getting a netflix movie. There’s a little wiggle room left there. And Kim could become a lawyer again she just has to pass the bar
I'd say she's definitely getting sued, based on the comment that Cheryl is shopping for lawyers. Although it's entirely open for interpretation at this point, that's one loops they didn't close.
I don’t think Jimmy did any of that to protect Kim. She was only in civil danger and that didn’t change at all. She was not in any criminal danger whatsoever.
I think her coming clean made him come clean and he wanted her there to see him do it. A switch flipped when he found out she confessed, much like one flipped during that phone call. It was time to own up just like she did, only his offenses were far far worse.
I think her coming clean made him come clean and he wanted her there to see him do it. A switch flipped when he found out she confessed, much like one flipped during that phone call. It was time to own up just like she did, only his offenses were far far worse.
I agree as well, which is why I think the storyline is corny, it's not going to help her in a civil suit, which I think would happen. Also, he gives up a 7 year deal for 85? The whole ending seemed to pander to a feel good ending for Kim fans.
Well Saul is on the record saying Kim has nothing to do with it. So it definitely makes it less of a slam dunk case. Can probably prove that Saul called her from Omaha before the confession and say it was made under duress. Just let Kim be happy ok lol
It may not be as nuanced as we think it is. The writers were frustrated many viewers were still cool with Walter so they had to ensure his demise left no one willing to support him. This could be how they put Saul below Walter on the evil list and give him just enough to have some viewers change their mind about him.
Kim has a signed affidavit on file with her full confession. If Cheryl is shopping for civil suit lawyers, she's not going to get some shmo that can't easily argue against Saul saying that, plus civil cases aren't as stringent as criminal cases. Even from a criminal perspective, they could still have enough dots to make her life a little painful for a while, if it didn't come out in a conviction. If anything, it might be a plea deal that she can't practice law again. But at this point, with the series over, it's whatever someone wants to make of it. It's unfortunate they didn't bring real closure here.
But really, why should she be happy. She had a hand in it just as much of, if not more than Saul. She kept driving the plot to ruin Howard. So then she files a confession, but then if she gets sued, she backs out and says "oh I really and Saul is my proof that it didn't happen that way"? The point of her filing that affidavit was to clear her conscience. So she wants a clear conscience but doesn't want to have any repercussions for it? If that's the case, she really is as slimey as everyone else, not that she's not already.
But like I said, they just left that open for interpretation for fans, which most will leave it as a feel good for Kim so they play it out that her life will be grand again.
I haven’t seen anybody all happy go lucky for Kim, and the show pretty much drove the point home that her life is extremely mundane and unfulfilling. I’m assuming Kim is pretty much judgment proof at this point, but the civil suit would serve to restrain any hope she had at financial upward mobility. She’s not likely to ever literally serve time, but she all but created her own prison. Not much to feel good about in the Kim storyline other than her clear conscience and closure with Jimmy.
Imo that was the point of showing her life. She's in a prison too; just a different sort
I am surprised nobody has said anything about the Walt line when he says "oh, you've been like this forever."
That’s where I theorized that there is no difference between Jimmy/Saul.
Hell, he even acknowledged that he was Saul in the prison bus and then he’s revered as Saul in the pen. You can’t separate one from the other.
That’s why the plea deal reversal just seemed so inconsistent to me. It’s out of character for a grifter to be reformed like that. I didn’t hate the ending, just thought the moment of surrender was a bit of a stretch.
False.
The love was that Kim always showed Jimmy love and respect that he never got from anywhere else. Kim did have a place in his heart that could unlock the best in Jimmy. When she left him…he pretty much died inside.
Jimmy wanted to be good. Even if he got out in 7 years…what life could he live? Still running from his bad decisions. Everyone will hate him. Coming clean was his freedom. It was the only way he could feel right about himself.
Lying and getting out would’ve been him saying he’s dead and does not care about his actions. He came clean because he made the choice “if you don’t like what you’re doing you can always change your path”
He accomplished it all as Saul…but I think as Jimmy in Jail he can have a soul.
I didn't read all the posts since Monday but Bob pretty much sealed the deal with the ending on the Talking Saul show last week. He mentioned at least once that Jimmy was a good guy deep down inside which made me realize that Kim was as instrumental in creating what Saul became in BB as much as anyone.
I also should have known how well he would be liked in any prison given those are HIS people.
Although Kim had regret first, she deserved much more justice than the life she was left with in the end. Jimmy was HER lawyer also as it turns out and the jail cigarette represented some sort of final conjugal visit to me.
I also should have known how well he would be liked in any prison given those are HIS people.
Although Kim had regret first, she deserved much more justice than the life she was left with in the end. Jimmy was HER lawyer also as it turns out and the jail cigarette represented some sort of final conjugal visit to me.
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It was a fitting end to a great series. Hated to see it come to an end but they finished it off in fine fashion.
When he was on the plane, I thought a little bit that the plane would go down, but it would have been to cliche so didn't really expect it to happen. On the bus, I thought he might have gotten shanked.
The vet was getting out of the "business" and moving away. Saul bought his contact book.
The structure of the superlab was in place. There was a several years period between the Lalo/Howard deaths and the lab being functional. I think at least 5-6 years. Plenty of time to get it all finished.
On the final season episode 3. I feel like I know where this is headed for Nacho.. but also think there were many chances for him to get out of this, while keeping his dad's life and his intact.
Like, I thought jumping into the oil tanker was a terrible idea from the start. Didn't think he had to agree to give his own life.. figured he could have just cut his ties from his Dad so if anyone came to his Dad, he'd have no knowledge of his where abouts, no way to contact him. And then, why not take out Bolsa. Go out swinging.
You knew Nacho wasn't making it out of this series alive. But man, I feel like he could have played this better..
Like, I thought jumping into the oil tanker was a terrible idea from the start. Didn't think he had to agree to give his own life.. figured he could have just cut his ties from his Dad so if anyone came to his Dad, he'd have no knowledge of his where abouts, no way to contact him. And then, why not take out Bolsa. Go out swinging.
You knew Nacho wasn't making it out of this series alive. But man, I feel like he could have played this better..
Who had the worst ending of the big 3? Walt, saul or Jesse? Obviously Jesse's will be viewed as best by most but the ptsd and trauma he had to live with will result in one messed up life in Alaska. Walt died where he loved the most. Saul ended up in prison but seemed at peace. Idk.