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Darth_VadEER

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7-6, 8-5, who cares. Both records reflect irrelevant mediocre football teams regardless of conference.

I happen to care. I think the players on the team cared. I think the students cared. I think the staff and the employees in the athletic department cared.

But you don't care. I think everyone involved will still sleep soundly tonight despite that.

The only irrelevant variable in this discussion would be yourself.

Let me ask you this. If WVU would have won 10 games last year, instead of 8, would your life have been any different? Would it have been any better?

Most "fans" who demand "excellence" from football teams are themselves totally average and mediocre in their personal lives and that's why their demands usually fall on deaf ears.

Less than a year ago there were plenty of folks here asking why we weren't doing what Baylor was, and having their success (despite knowing we've already had that kind of success). Now can I ask, would you still like to be Baylor? Do you still wish WVU would do what they did to have that success?

There's no proven formula to win football games. Sometimes you just need to have the patience to wait until it turns around. RR did great at WVU, but not great at Michigan. LSU didn't win a SEC title for almost 20 years until Saban arrived. If winning were as simple as firing a coach, Pitt would have won the last 4 national titles.

Hopefully we win football games this year, but if not, that's what we got bridges for, ya dig?
 
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I happen to care. I think the players on the team cared. I think the students cared. I think the staff and the employees in the athletic department cared.

But you don't care. I think everyone involved will still sleep soundly tonight despite that.

The only irrelevant variable in this discussion would be yourself.

Let me ask you this. If WVU would have won 10 games last year, instead of 8, would your life have been any different? Would it have been any better?

Most "fans" who demand "excellence" from football teams are themselves totally average and mediocre in their personal lives and that's why their demands usually fall on deaf ears.

Less than a year ago there were plenty of folks here asking why we weren't doing what Baylor was, and having their success (despite knowing we've already had that kind of success). Now can I ask, would you still like to be Baylor? Do you still wish WVU would do what they did to have that success?

There's no proven formula to win football games. Sometimes you just need to have the patients to wait until it turns around. RR did great at WVU, but not great at Michigan. LSU didn't win a SEC title for almost 20 years until Saban arrived. If winning were as simple as firing a coach, Pitt would have won the last 4 national titles.

Hopefully we win football games this year, but if not, that's what we got bridges for, ya dig?

What's pretty obvious is mediocrity doesn't bother you
 

Pitt4Life34

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but it is important for WVU to hold onto its brand and at this point its slipping


I hear you and obviously winning is crucial for most programs but the program will not play a part in the stability question in the Big12. Ever! WVU has no business being in the Big12. I get what Luck had to do. And make no mistake the Big12 was a no-brainer decision that had to be made. Selfishly I hope the Big12 implodes and the Super Conference deal becomes a necessity and WVU ends up the ACC first or SEC if not the ACC. But hey that's just me.
 

michaelwalkerbr

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We have discussed it before, but one possibility is that WVU-H wants the land.

I don't think it's imminent, but investing an additional 30 years into the location probably isn't feasible.

I know very small health care systems acquiring adjacent land to their flagship hospitals at a rapid pace. This property really should be in the hands of WVU-H, it's what makes most sense.

Aren't they perhaps halfway finished investing another 20 years into it now with future projects in the works?
 
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Now that I'm back from my latest trip -- going to the top of 3 mountains nearly 7,000 feet high in the same day -- I'll chime in.

If the Big 12 implodes, WVU is up the brown, stinky creek, just like UConn and Cincy are today.

WVU needs to finish in the top 3 of the Big 12.

Oklahoma and Texas are critical to the survival of the Big 12.

I don't care who WVU's coach is, as long as the winning percentage is closer to 10-2 than 7-6, and it's clean program.
WVU will never be an Alabama, Ohio State or Michigan. But I want my alma mater to be the best WVU it can be, in everything, not just football.

Dana has NOT proven that he is the answer. Hopefully, he'll turn the corner, as many coaches do after a shaky career start as head coach. Again, I don't care whether it's Dana, Bill, Rich or Don, as long as the winning percentage is at least 60% with a clean program.
And watching my alma mater in Mountaineer Field is the greatest bargain of my life in sports.
 
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Aren't they perhaps halfway finished investing another 20 years into it now with future projects in the works?

Have you been on campus? The amount of new construction is amazing. Also, private construction is everywhere. Go through sunnyside now looks like you entered a different city.
 
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LOL - Is that even an insult?

I suppose it's meant to be, but considering that it comes from a grown man who is satisfied not knowing the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE, it doesn't burn deep.

I don't take any insults from a travelling donuts salesman who dress up is clown outfits during movie premiers that seriously.
 

michaelwalkerbr

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Have you been on campus? The amount of new construction is amazing. Also, private construction is everywhere. Go through sunnyside now looks like you entered a different city.

Yes, I've spent some time there. I remember when what is now MPS was being built and thinking, "How in the hell will they ever fill 60,500 seats?" I have run Law School hill simply for sport. That was stupid. I guess a short answer would be yes!
 

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Yes, I've spent some time there. I remember when what is now MPS was being built and thinking, "How in the hell will they ever fill 60,500 seats?" I have run Law School hill simply for sport. That was stupid. I guess a short answer would be yes!

i meant in the last couple years.
 

xWVU2010x

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I happen to care. I think the players on the team cared. I think the students cared. I think the staff and the employees in the athletic department cared.

But you don't care. I think everyone involved will still sleep soundly tonight despite that.

The only irrelevant variable in this discussion would be yourself.

Let me ask you this. If WVU would have won 10 games last year, instead of 8, would your life have been any different? Would it have been any better?

Most "fans" who demand "excellence" from football teams are themselves totally average and mediocre in their personal lives and that's why their demands usually fall on deaf ears.

Less than a year ago there were plenty of folks here asking why we weren't doing what Baylor was, and having their success (despite knowing we've already had that kind of success). Now can I ask, would you still like to be Baylor? Do you still wish WVU would do what they did to have that success?

There's no proven formula to win football games. Sometimes you just need to have the patients to wait until it turns around. RR did great at WVU, but not great at Michigan. LSU didn't win a SEC title for almost 20 years until Saban arrived. If winning were as simple as firing a coach, Pitt would have won the last 4 national titles.

Hopefully we win football games this year, but if not, that's what we got bridges for, ya dig?

Stop trying to make football more than it is. There is no correllation between football expectations and real life, your posts are beyond ridiculous.

Heres what gets me excited as a football fan - being in the hunt for a title. I will watch and root for WVU in all of their games, but it is indeed more exciting when they are in the hunt for an NC than when they are in the hunt for the Motel 6 bowl. Sorry, but not sorry. The millionaire coaches should be held accountable to deliver that kind of season once in awhile.
 
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Personal attacks contribute nothing to this discussion. We all want what is good for WVU. Trying to stay ahead of Kansas and Iowa State is not good for my alma mater. WVU, with or without Dana, needs to do better or it will sink to the level of UConn and Cincy again. I don't want that. Who does? If you can't judge a coach by his W-L career record, when what the hell us can you use? Surely you don't think 4-8 was the mark of outstanding coaching. And with the decimation of the defense this year, the mountain got taller for the offense. The O is experienced. Now it needs to rise to the level of Tavon, Geno and Stedman (which, ironically, wasn't good enough to avoid a 7-6 season because of the atrocious defense of Dana's buddy as DC). But if the offense isn't much better than last season, we could be in a heap of trouble. Even Kansas and Iowa State might be problems for us.
 

Darth_VadEER

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No contradictory statements. The B12 is at the highest level of college football. It's a power conference and very competitive. That's playing at the highest level. In the Big East, we weren't doing that. Sorry I had to hold your hand through this discussion, but if anyone ever needed it, it was you.
 
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No contradictory statements. The B12 is at the highest level of college football. It's a power conference and very competitive. That's playing at the highest level. In the Big East, we weren't doing that. Sorry I had to hold your hand through this discussion, but if anyone ever needed it, it was you.

The SEC is the Highest level of college football sorry this need to be explained to you. The Big 12 really shows its competitiveness come bowl time.
 

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Cuyahoga Falls Eers...You get it. Good post. Unfortunately, some on here think being an also ran, or less, is somehow okay...particularly if a Red Bull chuggin', hair blowin' coach remains...the coach. Good programs don't survive on excuses...they get better.
 

Darth_VadEER

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The SEC is the Highest level of college football sorry this need to be explained to you. The Big 12 really shows its competitiveness come bowl time.

That's your opinion, and if that's what it is, WVU most likely never play at the highest level because it doesn't look like we'll ever be in the SEC.

So will you never be satisfied as a fan, because of it?

I think the power conferences are the highest level. Those are the teams with the opportunity to play for the national championship and upper tier bowls.
 
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That's your opinion, and if that's what it is, WVU most likely never play at the highest level because it doesn't look like we'll ever be in the SEC.

So will you never be satisfied as a fan, because of it?

I think the power conferences are the highest level. Those are the teams with the opportunity to play for the national championship and upper tier bowls.

Its funny that someone like yourself who proclaims to be transparent and non biased would even continue to take a position concerning the football programs performance.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Well I guess I can blame it on my cell phone. Patients or patience?

No one would stop you if you did, but we both know I've been laughing about your inability to properly use your/you're, and their/there, and now were/where, for a long time.

I'll make you a promise. If I habitually misuse patients/patience for the next year, I give you my full approval to mock.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Its funny that someone like yourself who proclaims to be transparent and non biased would even continue to take a position concerning the football programs performance.

I've never claimed to be non-biased. Obviously, I'm very biased towards WVU. I think you and a couple others in this discussion are very biased against WVU, but what does it matter? Our opinions don't mean very much and as we've seen with RR, and BS, our coaches future isn't dependent on what opinions get tossed around on this message board.

I have said in the past that I'm indifferent to DH and that if he gets fired, so be it. In fact, I've actually said several times that Lyons should just step up to the plate and fire DH so WVU can avoid an even uglier situation that could be coming.

However, I don't believe DH is half as bad as you and the others here say. It could be a lot worse, and that decision will be in Lyons' hands if he pulls the trigger. Just remember, Lyons has never done this before and as we see every year in college football, it's tough to make the right hire.

Most of the venom towards DH is personal. It all goes back to Bill Stewart and his flock of followers who still can't let it go and have been on a mission to run Dana out of town since he stepped foot in Morgantown. I just judge Dana purely as a coach, nothing else.
 
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xWVU2010x

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Cuyahoga Falls Eers...You get it. Good post. Unfortunately, some on here think being an also ran, or less, is somehow okay...particularly if a Red Bull chuggin', hair blowin' coach remains...the coach. Good programs don't survive on excuses...they get better.

I dont like DH but I think we have to keep him barring complete disaster. We have a legit QB in Grier for next year and we dont need to blow up this program via transfers when we should be ready to peak next year, not to mention we wont finally get to see the DH offense with an NFL caliber QB combined with hopefully a decent defense.
 
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No one would stop you if you did, but we both know I've been laughing about your inability to properly use your/you're, and their/there, and now were/where, for a long time.

I'll make you a promise. If I habitually misuse patients/patience for the next year, I give you my full approval to mock.

Well It wouldn't matter what you misuse you're excuse will always be you're cellphone just as it will for me but just the very fact that you have to bring the discussion to grammar shows your're weakness and insecurities. You're feeble attempts to change the subject away from football performance to a subject that obviously you haven't mastered yourself is obvious proof that you spend too much time on message boards and not enough time listening to mommy when she tells you to do you're homework junior.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Well It wouldn't matter what you misuse you're excuse will always be you're cellphone just as it will for me but just the very fact that you have to bring the discussion to grammar shows your're weakness and insecurities. You're feeble attempts to change the subject away from football performance to a subject that obviously you haven't mastered yourself is obvious proof that you spend too much time on message boards and not enough time listening to mommy when she tells you to do you're homework junior.

Right. The only problem is I can't tell if you're doing it on purpose or not, so it's not as funny.
 
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I've never claimed to be non-biased. Obviously, I'm very biased towards WVU. I think you and a couple others in this discussion are very biased against WVU, but what does it matter? Our opinions don't mean very much and as we've seen with RR, and BS, our coaches future isn't dependent on what opinions get tossed around on this message board.

I have said in the past that I'm indifferent to DH and that if he gets fired, so be it. In fact, I've actually said several times that Lyons should just step up to the plate and fire DH so WVU can avoid an even uglier situation that could be coming.

Everybody on here cares about wvu its just some don't want the program to lose its reputation as a competitive program and programs that continually go 7-5 are not thought of as special. Just because its fine for you doesn't make it ok for the rest of us. Lyons will have to make a decision either this year or the next and there will be many factors that will effect what his decision may be.