Big12 Coaches ranked

[VaultHunter]

1. Riley
2. Gundy
3. Patterson
4. Herman
5. Klieman
6. Campbell
7. Wells
8. Miles
9. Brown
10. Aranda

9 and 10 could possibly flip if Baylor wins Saturday. Only reason Miles is ahead of Brown is based of previous success in the SEC and Big12.

I think Baylor made a fantastic hire, time will tell.

Brown could climb up to 5-6? Based on the way the rest of the season goes.

 

[vidmkr27]

He's just Dana with a better demeanor.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Coach rankings are subjective. It's a persons opinion and not fact. But since you brought it up, Brown is ranked 40th out of 130 coaches in FBS. Even after a 5-7 start to his West Virginia career in 2019, Neal Brown is considered a coach to watch. “Neal did a really, really underrated job of getting buy-in from the roster,” a fellow coach told Athlon, per a 247Sports report. “... They were in a lot of close games, and they finished with two road wins. Coaches love to build on stuff like that, so I know they’re excited. They think they’re headed in the right direction.”

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Ranking HCs in the Big XII is crazy. That list is even crazier in its order imo. I rank a HC by close wins and losses and does his decisions blow the game and what does he get out of what he has..

I look at Lincoln Riley and he’s a good playcaller at times but really his teams don’t play defense and if you blow a 21 pt lead in the 4th qtr at home—-not in the great status and he can’t be the best in a conference. The playoff loss to UGA was worse than last week’s loss to K State

How is Gundy even there? He’s beat his rival one time or two in 10+ years. Any other school would’ve canned him.

Patterson imo is the best in the conference. He gets more out of less and his Defenses are dirty.

Herman???? No—not great. Good at a G5 school. Really a fit at Texas though. They think their Oklahoma but not even.

Kliemqn—too early and not consistent P5 success. Only consistent success at a lower level. He has potential and can pull the upset but lose the same way..

Campbell—never goes well a full season (like VA Tech in the old Big East) although he’s good at adjustments and pulling off a shocker when you doubt him.

Wells—-only success at a G5 school.

Miles. Farmer Fred at LSU has as many NC as the Hat and who would have thought that 4 years ago? Really CRAZY 2007 was his NC at LSU and that team was left to him by Saban. His best coaching job in his career imo was at OK State.

Brown hasn’t done anything at the P5 level and is 3-7 in a Big XII that isn’t that good. His speeches and talks after losses are reminiscent of SGT Carter (Butch Jones Tennessee). It’s too early to say but not instilling me with confidence

Aranda????? Nobody knows. He did help LSU and farmer Fred win a NC. Still nobody knows yet. Tomorrow is interesting

I look at the coaches in this league today vs when WVU entered the Big XII and it ain’t a close comparison. You had guaranteed HOFers in Brown, Stoops, Snyder, and Tubberville, 3 of the 4 had NCs And/Or an undefeated season in a P5 conference. Bryles was beginning to tear it up. Patterson was there then too. Gundy was still being Gundy. The only programs that we’re in the crapper were Iowa State (Rhodes) and Kansas (Weiss) and IMO the losses to those two in back to back weeks were the only inexcusable loses for DH.

 

[WVUALLEN]

DH had plenty of Inexcusable losses. Blew 21 point lead to Oklahoma State in 2018 with perhaps his best team since 2012. Was embarrased by K.State, OU, Texas Tech. He is 0-3 vs Syracuse. He was 0-7 vs OU.

Holgs Couldn't beat teams when it mattered most.

What exactly has Patterson done besides have 2 really good years. He is 18-18 in Big 12 since 2016. Patterson 39-35 (conference) since joining Big 12. Overall since Big 12 only 63-41.

48-7 in MWC. He made himself famous against weaker teams.

Brown hasn't had but 1 year and 1 game in P5. Give him his 5 years before shitting on his head.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

When you are ranking coaches, you have the look at the whole picture:

1. How many years have they been there
2.Are they coaching at a blueblood type of school(Resources, recruiting geography, etc)
3. What did they inherit
4. School resources deployed for staff, support staff, facilities, etc
5. How have they performed relative to what they inherited.
6. Wins
7. Losses(How did they lose), was it close, or a bunch of blow-outs
8. Progress achieved relative to time

There are a vast number of data points that should be implemented into a ranking calculation, that go far beyond #ofWins, in order to be truly accurate.

 

[dave]

1. Riley
2. Gundy
3. Patterson
4. Herman
5. Klieman
6. Campbell
7. Wells
8. Miles
9. Brown
10. Aranda

9 and 10 could possibly flip if Baylor wins Saturday. Only reason Miles is ahead of Brown is based of previous success in the SEC and Big12.

I think Baylor made a fantastic hire, time will tell.

Brown could climb up to 5-6? Based on the way the rest of the season goes.

That list is laughable. If it is based on success hoe is Hermann ahead of anyone, especially Klieman.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

What exactly has Patterson done besides have 2 really good years. He is 18-18 in Big 12 since 2016. Patterson 39-35 (conference) since joining Big 12. Overall since Big 12 only 63-41.

48-7 in MWC. He made himself famous against weaker teams.

Brown hasn't had but 1 year and 1 game in P5. Give him his 5 years before shitting on his head.

Patterson has had 3 dang good years in the new Big 12. He also tends to win the bowl games that his teams play in.

You can say that exemplifies Brown‘s HC tenure at Troy when talking about playing and beating weak teams. At least the MWC were more competitive than the Sun Belt.

I think TCU has been disappointing in the Big 12 so far, but Patterson is a good coach no matter how you slice it.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

If you look at what I said about Neal Brown, “it’s too early to say.” And it is. I hope he’s the guy but I ain’t seen it yet or anything close to it.

If you ask what Patterson has done, he went 8-1 and should have been in the playoffs (2014). He also had 2 seasons of 7-2 seasons in Big XII conference play. He’s only 39-34 overall but he has had a Peach Bowl & 2 Alamo Bowl Victories and before the Big XII went undefeated (13-0) in 2010 and won the Rose Bowl vs Wisconsin. I’d take Patterson over what we’ve had any day.

As for DH and his inexcusable losses, I was only talking about the Big XII & non debatable inexcusable losses. The Road Game @ Oklahoma State (2018) was bad but it was only 17, not 21, and Gundy & Oklahoma State isn’t in the basement that Charlie Weiss and Paul Rhodes lived in. Charlie Weiss had ONE Big XII win — vs WVU in 2013. That says it all. Paul Rhodes & Iowa State were 3-9 and beat WVU at home & came back from down 17 in the 4th to force OT and win. Never should have happened. Only time I walked out of New Mountaineer Field and said “.... “ Well I won’t repeat what I said.

The Syracuse losses were bad but I wasn’t counting Big East and in all those cases Cuse had a winning record. Oklahoma is Oklahoma as are the other schools, they don’t suck as programs. Yeah we should have won Some more but it’s not Kansas/Iowa State in 2013.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Patterson has had 3 dang good years in the new Big 12. He also tends to win the bowl games that his teams play in.

You can say that exemplifies Brown‘s HC tenure at Troy when talking about playing and beating weak teams. At least the MWC were more competitive than the Sun Belt.

I think TCU has been disappointing in the Big 12 so far, but Patterson is a good coach no matter how you slice it.

Probably because his players don't sit out. Patterson has also been coaching 20 years not 14 games. Dana the coke freak did just as well as Patty cakes in Big 12.

Sun Belt 3-0 this year in Big 12. The Sun Belt beat four Power Five schools all of last season. Never before had the 20-year-old Group of Five league beaten three Power Five opponents on the same day.

Don't believe I said Patty boy was a bad coach. Just don't believe they need to be pumping sunshine up his and TCU butts. Coaching rankings are a hit and miss. You want to rank them by who they coach, past success, current success, former schools, wins and losses in the conference, facilities or SOS. It's all one persons opinion when it comes to ranking coaches.

 

[.Bodhi.]

DH had plenty of Inexcusable losses. Blew 21 point lead to Oklahoma State in 2018 with perhaps his best team since 2012. Was embarrased by K.State, OU, Texas Tech. He is 0-3 vs Syracuse. He was 0-7 vs OU.

Holgs Couldn't beat teams when it mattered most.

What exactly has Patterson done besides have 2 really good years. He is 18-18 in Big 12 since 2016. Patterson 39-35 (conference) since joining Big 12. Overall since Big 12 only 63-41.

48-7 in MWC. He made himself famous against weaker teams.

Brown hasn't had but 1 year and 1 game in P5. Give him his 5 years before shitting on his head.

I liked Dana as a "dude" and even the "face" of WVU football. I liked how his persona irked the good ole country boys who still tried to play up the "aww sheeeeet, gotta be camo-wearing, baccy-spitting, kerntry boy to coach ma eers, even doe i ain't never even been da Morgytown."

Say what you want about Dana, but he was cool enough to make him a favorite of the guys at Barstool and the less corporate sports media. When your state, school, and location aren't immediate draws, you need something that has a "cool" factor. Dana had that potential. Unfortunately for him, he seemed to have a high school coach's level of dedication...for which I don't fault him. I don't blame him for going 9-5 like the rest of us do. But when your position's peers often go 6-10, you're in the wrong role.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I liked Dana as a "dude" and even the "face" of WVU football. I liked how his persona irked the good ole country boys who still tried to play up the "aww sheeeeet, gotta be camo-wearing, baccy-spitting, kerntry boy to coach ma eers, even doe i ain't never even been da Morgytown."

Say what you want about Dana, but he was cool enough to make him a favorite of the guys at Barstool and the less corporate sports media. When your state, school, and location aren't immediate draws, you need something that has a "cool" factor. Dana had that potential. Unfortunately for him, he seemed to have a high school coach's level of dedication...for which I don't fault him. I don't blame him for going 9-5 like the rest of us do. But when your position's peers often go 6-10, you're in the wrong role.

Dana only averaged 7 wins a year. Next.

 

[.Bodhi.]

Where in those two paragraphs did I say he was a good coach?