Bill Belichick. Amazing coach, or very fortunate?
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Agreed.
but several years, the Pats won basically with defense. Example: Last Super Bowl win over Rams.
He created his own luck. Best coach ever. 6 super bowls. Tough for me to say that as a Steelers guy.
This Speculative story on Belichek to the Eagles made me chuckle. Tonight was the first I’d heard of it. A family member mentioned it.
Spygate 2.0 for those who don't follow closely.
NFL slams Patriots with stern punishment for illegal videotaping
The NFL will hand down a stern punishment to the New England Patriots for their second videotaping scandal, dubbed Spygate 2.0, which made news after the team illegally videotaped the Cincinnati Bengals’ sideline during Week 14 of the 2019 NFL reg
patriotswire.usatoday.com
When teams are not performing, we are quick to attack the coach as a bum.
Conversely, BB’s results speak for themselves.
I think he was a great coach.
Couple that with his sparkling personality, and I believe he will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time.
Conversely, BB’s results speak for themselves.
I think he was a great coach.
Couple that with his sparkling personality, and I believe he will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time.
As noted above, great coaches need talent and luck too. But as great as Tom Brady was (and seeing him come back to win at Beaver stadium years ago I knew he would be good-but nobody knew that good) he would have zero Super Bowls on a bad team that had a poor defense. Bilichick sure was involved in those defenses and should be given credit. Brady wanted to play for him for many years. And many of the defenders were loyal to Belichick-he had to be doing something right. Good drafting is so important. But I think too often head coaches think they should take charge of draft picks-that sure has not worked out well for Belichick-they have missed on numerous high picks. I thought Jones-who had a decent rookie year-would be at least an average NFL QB-that has not worked out. But I look at other coaches that are highly rated-Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, and they needed talent. Parcells did not win a Super Bowl with a team other than Giants. Walsh had Hall of Fame QBs. Now look at Andy Reid-Chiefs were able to get a future Hall of Fame QB in Mahomes.
In college football, coaches may help develop talent but if you do not recruit well, team does not do well. I remember early 2000s, PSU stunk except in 2002. We started recruiting better in 2005 and teams all of a sudden were contenders.
In college football, coaches may help develop talent but if you do not recruit well, team does not do well. I remember early 2000s, PSU stunk except in 2002. We started recruiting better in 2005 and teams all of a sudden were contenders.
Adam Vinatieri kicked a GW in their first 3 Super Bowls. He's crucial to those.
A bit of both. He’s clearly a good coach that was a great motivator and fielded some discipline teams. He wasn’t afraid to move personnel around if need be. Good coaches still need talent and difference makers to consistently win and that holds true at every level.
Did belichick shop for some of the groceries or did he just cook the meal?
BB had most of the pieces for a top team....thought he had a QB in Bledsoe, but TB was the actual player (QB) he needed to start his dynasty. Franklin thinks he has his QB but not sure....maybe AK will change the scheme to match DA skill set.
Just had this convos with a bunch of people. The more time goes on without Brady the more the lustre comes off his star. His record as a head coach elsewhere is not that strong and he never won without Brady and Brady did go on to win another SB without BB. Good coach and a very good DC but not sure how great he really is as the last several years the Pats have not been good nor do they look to be turning things around soon
NE rankings in offensive points per game from 2003-2019:
11,3,10,5,1,7,6,1,3,1,2,1,3,3,2,4,7
All good coaches are a bit lucky. The other side has more talent that you. They are going to beat you more often than not. Belichick, normally had the better players. Quite Frankly, Brady normally had better players around him. Thats why they both won.
These coaches all steal off of each other, and there might be a true innovation that comes along once every couple of years. Otherwise, its similar guys doing the same thing.
On a scale from 1 to 10, you guys are thinking there are 10 out there and then there are ones. Not really, almost all of them are 4 to 6, and the 4 is beating the 6 if he's got the better players almost all the time.
Nick Saban is not a great coach, but he's been the best recruiter in college football for 20 years. Therefore, he wins. He should, he has the best talent in almost every game he plays.
These coaches all steal off of each other, and there might be a true innovation that comes along once every couple of years. Otherwise, its similar guys doing the same thing.
On a scale from 1 to 10, you guys are thinking there are 10 out there and then there are ones. Not really, almost all of them are 4 to 6, and the 4 is beating the 6 if he's got the better players almost all the time.
Nick Saban is not a great coach, but he's been the best recruiter in college football for 20 years. Therefore, he wins. He should, he has the best talent in almost every game he plays.
Oh, I've mentioned this several times and I believe time is already telling. I think Dabo is the same level as JF. He had good to great coordinators (great at DC), great defenses, and 2 NFL QBs (3 if you count Boyd). Dabo is a really good recruiter and CEO.
Let's not forget that superior QBs such as Burrow, Cam Newton, and J Winston also made a few coaches look way better than they are.
I don't think you would find to many football fans who would say BB isn't an excellent football coach. He's also been labeled a cheater and was a home wrecker when he was with the Giants.
Of course. I held that opinion for years, in fact thought he could have been the greatest. But now I have more information that suggests maybe TB made him look a lot better than he actually is. I think it is fair to reassess. Unfortunately, when most people make up their mind about something, it's near impossible to change it.