Bill or Brady?
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How many games is Bellichick going to win with Cassell, Garrapolo, Moe, Larry and Curley before everyone admits he's the GOAT? It's not Brady. Brady is s great one - but there are plenty of quarterbacks that could've been great in that organization. Who was the NFL player a few years ago that said Manning would've had 8 rings if he played for BB? I agree with him....
I won't mince my words. Bellichick is the goddamn devil, and his devil spawn Saban is a jerk.
Bill by a mile.
We all laughed for years about Brady being a 6th rd pick. "How could he be so low?" Maybe the scouts weren't that far off? Is it possible that he really isn't THAT great, but has constantly benefited from the best owner in the game, the GOAT for a coach, a top defense every year, two ridiculous snipers for kickers, Top receivers every year and cheating along the way. Is it possible?
6th round pick his team has been exceptional, now twice without him, and almost any QB can win with the Pats. At some point, you have to wonder how much really is because of Brady.
We all laughed for years about Brady being a 6th rd pick. "How could he be so low?" Maybe the scouts weren't that far off? Is it possible that he really isn't THAT great, but has constantly benefited from the best owner in the game, the GOAT for a coach, a top defense every year, two ridiculous snipers for kickers, Top receivers every year and cheating along the way. Is it possible?
6th round pick his team has been exceptional, now twice without him, and almost any QB can win with the Pats. At some point, you have to wonder how much really is because of Brady.
This is a joke, right?
Brady was a 3-time champ with Deion Branch as his number one receiver.
The one time he had a great #1 receiver, he posted statistically the greatest offense in the history of the NFL, along with guiding that receiver to the most single-season touchdowns in league history.
Also, if you complain about Patriot 'cheating', then I assume you believe Calipari is a cheater, as he and UK report minor infractions every year to the NCAA (the equivalent of Spygate), and if you believe in 'Deflategate', then I'll just assume you're a batshit insane conspiracy theorist.
Bill. Oddly enough that is the first name of the 2 best NFL coaches in my lifetime. To answer that question I think Bill B. is better than Bill P. And that really hurts me to say that about Bill P because I'm a Redskins fan and he coached the other 2 teams I hate the most.
Also, Brady being a 6th round pick is a little bit skewed. Drew Henson got a lot of his playing time at Michigan because he pulled an Elway/Eli thing on them and threatened to go play baseball if he didn't play. Brady only threw about 3/4 of the passes his senior year.
Gronk and Moss and Welker and Edleman. That's much more than most QBs will ever get to work with. Granted his early receivers weren't anything great.
Believe in what? lmfao. It happened. Then he destroyed his phone.They've had headset "issues" every year, Spygate, playbooks, etc. The team can't go a year without cheating. You're "batshit insane" if you think this is even CLOSE to what happened with Calipari.
Roses's Sat vs systematic spying on teams. No brainer.
Brady certainly isn't the GOAT, lmfao. That went out the door 2 weeks ago when yet another QB can torched a team in his first outing.
The GOAT ship sailed.
Bill B on the other hand, yeah.. he's gotta be the greatest now.
The GOAT ship sailed.
Bill B on the other hand, yeah.. he's gotta be the greatest now.
I don't think they can both be rated that highly, else they'd have more than 4 rings. And yeah, I know how competitive the NFL is. Still. All Brady has to do is play QB. Bill takes care of everything else.
I'm curious what Brady's release rate is the last few years.. Pats have been running a lot of dink and dunk football, quick throws over the middle/screens to TEs and small receivers. If teams don't have Big LB's and Safeties, than there isn't much you can do. Pass rush doesn't matter as he dumps the ball within 2 seconds, and he's also rarely getting hit and rattles.
An awful lot of QBs could win games in that system, especially with a defense that's always near the top.
An awful lot of QBs could win games in that system, especially with a defense that's always near the top.
It's easy to win 1 or 2 games with a tricked up offense. It's downright impossible for sustained success. Brady and Belichek are both great.
I think Manning is way overrated. He is definitely a system guy. The guy I would take is Rothleisberger. He has a cannon and throws deep all the time.
LOL. Naw man, nobody can out do stoops... we have a better season that notre dame so far
Belichick lost Brady for a whole season and went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. Not one or two games. He's now coached 19 games with Cassell, Garropolo and Brissett, and has won 74% of those games. Over a full season, pretty good sample size. He's won 77% of games with Brady. You could list players who've excelled under Bellichick before or after languishing elsewhere, and it's a long list. If Brady gets drafted by the Bengals or Browns, etc., he's the same. The Colts lost Manning for a year, they went 2-14.
This whole thing about counting rings as determining greatness is way stupid. In basketball, yeah, you can probably do that - only 5 players on the court, all play offense and defense. In football, as important as the QB is, he's on the field for maybe 45% of the plays. The QB has nothing to do with running the ball or catching it, with run blocking or pass blocking, with stopping the run or rushing the passer, with pass coverage, with kicking or punting or coverage. All he can do is play quarterback. The two best I ever saw were Marino and Manning, because they would've excelled under any coach, in any system, on any team. If Joe Montana had been drafted by the Saints - no Walsh, no West Coast, no Rice or Taylor or Craig - you don't remember him. Just my opinion....