Billy McKinney scouting report and stories

IdahoAlum

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I covered the men’s team for the Daily when Billy was playing and interviewed him several times. Total class act — gracious, humble, intelligent. On the court he had a lightning jab step, followed either by a rush to the rim or a fall-away jumper. Listed as 6 foot but probably only 5-10. Quickness was his game.
 

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I covered the men’s team for the Daily when Billy was playing and interviewed him several times. Total class act — gracious, humble, intelligent. On the court he had a lightning jab step, followed either by a rush to the rim or a fall-away jumper. Listed as 6 foot but probably only 5-10. Quickness was his game.
I agree with all of that. I lived in the complex frosh year before moving into the frat as a soph. Billy was in the complex as well. He was incredibly friendly, open, sincere, and gracious. He dated a cute little red-haired girl for most of his time at NU. Everybody knew and liked Billy, but he never developed a big head.On the court, he was always in control - kind of like Bob Gibson or Fergie Jenkins on the mound. It was his court and everybody just played on it. He pretty much single-handedly beat Kentucky and Magic Johnson's MSU team. If he had any supporting cast at all...oh, well.
 

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Billy was gone by the time we pulled the epic upset of Magic and MSU, who went on to win NCAA, but that Kentucky win was amazing. They were defending NIT champs. We are 1-14 vs. Kentucky all time. His first game as a Cat was at Ohio U. Came off the bench and hit his first five shots. Started every game from that time on.
 

julescat

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I agree with all of that. I lived in the complex frosh year before moving into the frat as a soph. Billy was in the complex as well. He was incredibly friendly, open, sincere, and gracious. He dated a cute little red-haired girl for most of his time at NU. Everybody knew and liked Billy, but he never developed a big head.On the court, he was always in control - kind of like Bob Gibson or Fergie Jenkins on the mound. It was his court and everybody just played on it. He pretty much single-handedly beat Kentucky and Magic Johnson's MSU team. If he had any supporting cast at all...oh, well.

I believe you are thinking of the 1977 upset of Michigan in which Billy was phenomenal, scoring 29. He was not at NU in the 1979 upset of Magic's MSU as he graduated in 1977. In the upset of Kentucky in his junior year Billy scored 31. He was by far the most exciting player I have ever watched at NU.
 

DaCat

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For those of you who saw Billy play first-hand, how do you think he would fare in today's "modern" game? Did he have a good outside shot that would translate into a bunch of points from today's 3-point line?
 

julescat

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For those of you who saw Billy play first-hand, how do you think he would fare in today's "modern" game? Did he have a good outside shot that would translate into a bunch of points from today's 3-point line?
A good outside shooter. Tremendous elevation on his jump shot. But his quickness was what was dazzling. I think he would have been fine in the modern game.
 

NJCat

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A good outside shooter. Tremendous elevation on his jump shot. But his quickness was what was dazzling. I think he would have been fine in the modern game.
I agree. He could flat out ball. Best Guard I have seen in person at NU. The team with Billy, Tim Teasley and James Wallace has some talent, just not deep enough.
 

willycat

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For those of you who saw Billy play first-hand, how do you think he would fare in today's "modern" game? Did he have a good outside shot that would translate into a bunch of points from today's 3-point line?
Definitely because his shot and quickness would make him a star now as it did then.
 

Sec_112

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Point guard or shooting guard?

Strong, acceptable, below average or non-interested on defense?

Did he have any flash to his game?

Everybody says how short he was. Was he able to drive the lane?

Did he ever post up?

How as he against bigger players?

Was he generally the only guy on the team? Was he usually double-teamed?

What present-day player does he compare to?
 

7th Cir. Cat

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MekCat got me started on this. Blame it on him.

Can a couple of you guys who saw McKinney play give me/us (mostly me!) an education? I want to know the full scouting report and any stories.

Anybody actually know him?

Oh sh*t!! I did a quick google on him and he's the mayor of Zion. I didn't know that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/02/13/billy-mckinney-zion-mayor-nba-basketball/

Thanks for starting this thread! He was gone by the time I got to NU, so hearing these first hand accounts is great. And thanks to all for the replies!
 
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Billy was gone by the time we pulled the epic upset of Magic and MSU, who went on to win NCAA, but that Kentucky win was amazing. They were defending NIT champs. We are 1-14 vs. Kentucky all time. His first game as a Cat was at Ohio U. Came off the bench and hit his first five shots. Started every game from that time on.

They weren’t just defending NIT champs they were 6th in the country.

 

willycat

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Point guard or shooting guard?

Strong, acceptable, below average or non-interested on defense?

Did he have any flash to his game?

Everybody says how short he was. Was he able to drive the lane?

Did he ever post up?

How as he against bigger players?

Was he generally the only guy on the team? Was he usually double-teamed?

What present-day player does he compare to?
I'll try and answer. Shooting guard but a good ball handler. Played defense with his quickness. Yes. Drove the lane quite a bit. Most of his shots were from beyond the free throw area. Didn't seem to have problems when taller guys tried to defend him because of his quickness and jumping ability. He was surrounded by some pretty good players, just not enough of them but don't remember his assist numbers.
 

Sec_112

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Christine Brennan contacted me. She doesn't have an account, but she wanted to add this about Billy.

There's actual video.

EDIT: What is the deal with the 15-yard moat between the court and the seats in the black-and-white film?
 
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willycat

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Christine Brennan contacted me. She doesn't have an account, but she wanted to add this about Billy.

There's actual video.

EDIT: What is the deal with the 15-yard moat between the court and the seats in the black-and-white film?
Remember NU having such a opening and a raised floor. Looked dangerous and remember watching Jim Pitts hurting himself going off the court after warm-ups. Think it was right before his first game. Doesn't Minnesota still have a raised floor?
 

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I'll try and answer. Shooting guard but a good ball handler. Played defense with his quickness. Yes. Drove the lane quite a bit. Most of his shots were from beyond the free throw area. Didn't seem to have problems when taller guys tried to defend him because of his quickness and jumping ability. He was surrounded by some pretty good players, just not enough of them but don't remember his assist numbers.
I build on what IdahoAlum wrote earlier. I remember a quick first step toward the hoop, generally through the lane, that most often ended in a pull-up jump shot from 10-15 feet out. He could handle the ball, but preferred to play off of it. As for James Wallace, he was a gentle giant - he just never asserted himself on offense and was far too nice to play the role of enforcer that Cs in those days were asked to play. But, he was a fantastic physical specimen. I once saw him with his girl friend in the Patton pool - he was big, strong, and intimidating, but just the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. It is unfair to say, but I was reminded of him years later when Gary Barnett described a player as "looking like Tarzan, but playing like Jane." Greg Wells, our PF in those days, was the tough guy on the court. Of course, Tex Winter, who rose to fame with the Bulls, coached that team. The best part of the game in those days was the pom-pon squad. We had some real lookers back then, whom I shall courteously not name. We'd spend most of two hours watching them, then head to the PM Club after the game, horny as hell and ready to drink. Frank on the juke only helped the mood. Great memories.
 

NJCat

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We'd spend most of two hours watching them, then head to the PM Club after the game, horny as hell and ready to drink. Frank on the juke only helped the mood. Great memories.
Ah, the PM Club. Sonny the bartender. Package store conveniently located next door. Good times.
 

DaCat

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Here's a writeup of McKinney from InsideNU back in 2012:

Let's start by discussing his Northwestern career: McKinney was a 6 foot tall guard who played from 1973-1977, which, in terms of collegiate scoring records, can best be described as after players were allowed to play four years on varsity - i.e., there was no freshman team, which kept many old-timers from holding their school records - but before the three-point shot was added, meaning some of McKinney's longer shots may have been worth more. (It seems unlikely this would be the case for McKinney - in his seven-year NBA career, he shot 3-for-48 from behind the arc, a .063 3-point shooting percentage.) He was coached all four years by the innovator of the Triangle Offense, Tex Winter, and McKinney was therefore in the Kobe/Jordan role. He wasn't as successful as Kobe or Jordan - no McKinney team finished with a winning record, the best placement in conference was seventh - but he put up some absolute numbers. McKinney led his squad in scoring all four years, yes, even as a freshman, and also led the team in assists his junior and senior years. He finished averaging 18.6 points per game and was named second-team Big Ten in each of his final three years in addition to a first-team Big Ten honor as a senior (media had him second, coaches had him first). He was a bit of a high-usage player: he also holds the records for most field goals and field goal attempts by any NU player. He doesn't hold any in-game records, but his 37 (in a 100-84 loss to Notre Dame) is tied for the eighth best game in NU history. (He also took 26 shots, the tenth most in school history.)

After college, McKinney was deemed too small for the pros, he was drafted in the sixth round - yeah, that doesn't exist anymore - by the Phoenix Suns and didn't make the team. A year later he caught on with the Kansas City Kings - yeah, that doesn't exist anymore - and played a significant role, playing in 78 games and averaging nearly eight points. After two years in KC, he would set the only record he holds in 1980-81: by being traded from a team (Utah) that had already played 35 games to one with 49 left on the schedule (Denver), McKinney played in a league-high 84 games. His time in Denver was the most successful of his career: McKinney was an occasional starter and averaged over ten points and four assists in two full seasons with Denver. However, his minutes dropped off and he didn't see much playing time in stints with the San Diego Clippers - yeah, that doesn't exist anymore - and Chicago.

After his playing career ended in Chicago, just a few miles from Welsh-Ryan, Jerry Krause brought him on-board to work in the Bulls' front office. He left in 1988 before Chicago's multiple title runs to become the head of player personnel for the fledgling Timberwolves. After getting them out to a mediocre start as a franchise, McKinney took over for the recent two time NBA champion Detroit Pistons in 1992 and promptly made a mess of things. The Pistons went from winning the title in 1990, they were 20-62 in 1993-1994. McKinney traded away a large part of the Pistons' title core and ended up with a squad based around promising prospect Grant Hill, who unfortunately had knee problems his whole time in Detroit and I have no clue how he's still in the NBA. McKinney bounced around as a scout and announcer, and since 2008 has been Director of Scouting for the Milwaukee Bucks, aka the guy they brought in after firing the living balls out of some other guy who drafted Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander with back-to-back first round picks.​
 

NJCat

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The NU Guard who most reminds me of Billy's game? Lindsey Pulliam. She has the same pull-up jumper and can get to the rim. Might have a little more range, Billy didn't hoist from far since there was no 3 point shot in those days......

 

Catreporter

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Fact checking myself, Kentucky won the NIT the year Northwestern beat them and finished 20-10. They were coming off a 26-5 season and a loss to UCLA in the national championship and that was their season opening game.
 

Sec_112

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If McKinney was 6-4 with the same skills, are we talking about a 10-12 year, 15 ppg NBA career?

Either way, he seems like the type of guy who always wants to build something (NU, Timberwolves, Detroit, Zion). God bless 'em for fighting for his hometown. The world needs more people with that in them.
 

Sec_112

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Idaho, what type of teammate was McKinney? Was he a leader?

Did he ever give any attitude like he should have been playing at a more established program?
 

IdahoAlum

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No Billy was a great teammate from what I could observe. He never complained about a lack of support.
 

Catfanincolo

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Remember NU having such a opening and a raised floor. Looked dangerous and remember watching Jim Pitts hurting himself going off the court after warm-ups. Think it was right before his first game. Doesn't Minnesota still have a raised floor?
Tex Winter brought the floor with him when he coached NU. It used to be Kansas States. Same colors. At that time McGaw Hall was a fieldhouse with a dirt floor. During many games the track team would be running laps while basketball games were going on.
 

Smolmania

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Billy McKinney played the starring role in my basketball career highlight. Spring quarter, freshman year, in the game on the center court at Patten Gym. Winners stay, first five to hit a free throw have next. As a 5'8" very un-athletic white guy, my sole ability at basketball was shooting free throws, so I got in. Billy pulls up on a fast break, doesn't see the little guy behind him, who block his shot from behind, into the wall under the basket. . . and he chased me around the gym because everyone was laughing!

He couldn't have been a nicer guy. I remember him tearing Quinn Buckner apart at Welsh-Ryan in their first meeting in '76. Coach Knight refused to give Buckner any help, and was screaming at Buckner to check that guy. Way too quick for Quinn, who was a great defender. In the rematch in Bloomington, Knight wised up and every time Billy went by Buckner, Bobby Wilkerson or Scottie May were right there to help.

Highlight of watching Northwestern basketball in that era had to be seeing Tex jumping up to yell at the officials, and going backward off the elevated floor onto the dirt track. I still remember those clouds of dust kicked up by fans leaving the game. . .
 

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Billy McKinney played the starring role in my basketball career highlight. Spring quarter, freshman year, in the game on the center court at Patten Gym. Winners stay, first five to hit a free throw have next. As a 5'8" very un-athletic white guy, my sole ability at basketball was shooting free throws, so I got in. Billy pulls up on a fast break, doesn't see the little guy behind him, who block his shot from behind, into the wall under the basket. . . and he chased me around the gym because everyone was laughing!

He couldn't have been a nicer guy. I remember him tearing Quinn Buckner apart at Welsh-Ryan in their first meeting in '76. Coach Knight refused to give Buckner any help, and was screaming at Buckner to check that guy. Way too quick for Quinn, who was a great defender. In the rematch in Bloomington, Knight wised up and every time Billy went by Buckner, Bobby Wilkerson or Scottie May were right there to help.

Highlight of watching Northwestern basketball in that era had to be seeing Tex jumping up to yell at the officials, and going backward off the elevated floor onto the dirt track. I still remember those clouds of dust kicked up by fans leaving the game. . .
Scott May dated an NU girl while at IU and visited her on weekends. I was once in a pickup game with him and could not believe his shooting range. We had some good ballplayers on the court, our frat won the IM title and we had guys who played in HS. May never seemed to break a sweat and could do anything he wanted - not surprising for an NCAA player of the year on the undefeated champs,but his range did surprise me.
 

DaCat

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Billy McKinney played the starring role in my basketball career highlight. Spring quarter, freshman year, in the game on the center court at Patten Gym. Winners stay, first five to hit a free throw have next. As a 5'8" very un-athletic white guy, my sole ability at basketball was shooting free throws, so I got in. Billy pulls up on a fast break, doesn't see the little guy behind him, who block his shot from behind, into the wall under the basket. . . and he chased me around the gym because everyone was laughing!

He couldn't have been a nicer guy. I remember him tearing Quinn Buckner apart at Welsh-Ryan in their first meeting in '76. Coach Knight refused to give Buckner any help, and was screaming at Buckner to check that guy. Way too quick for Quinn, who was a great defender. In the rematch in Bloomington, Knight wised up and every time Billy went by Buckner, Bobby Wilkerson or Scottie May were right there to help.

Highlight of watching Northwestern basketball in that era had to be seeing Tex jumping up to yell at the officials, and going backward off the elevated floor onto the dirt track. I still remember those clouds of dust kicked up by fans leaving the game. . .

Great story. Those names like Buckner and May bring back memories... I was in junior high at the time.
 

Zootcat

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I believe you are thinking of the 1977 upset of Michigan in which Billy was phenomenal, scoring 29. He was not at NU in the 1979 upset of Magic's MSU as he graduated in 1977. In the upset of Kentucky in his junior year Billy scored 31. He was by far the most exciting player I have ever watched at NU.
I was at that Michigan game, in the pep band. Until the NCAA team Michigan game with “the pass,” the McKinney game was my favorite all-time game. Dude was unstoppable that day.